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Originally posted by Harlequin
reply to post by hinky
yes europe - that means some greek islands at the limit of its range.... oh you mean you actually checked the range then
Originally posted by THELONIO
reply to post by burdman30ott6
you are what is known in england as a muppet, your countrys need to defend themself is the cause of all of the problems in the world, this action will cause a war you twit, have you forgotten the cuban missile crisis when the shoe was on the other foot. it is aggression and stupidity and attitudes like yours are what gwb love , a sucked in moron, its all of our world not just the united stupids of america (apologies to those who can see the truth), you'll destroy it for everyone!!!!! fool
Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to post by Drewdatt
Boy, without fail there's one constant at ATS. Anyone who espouses a differing view from the prevailing anti-establishment viewpoint will immediately be labeled as someone who:
A. Doesn't think for themselves
B. Has been brainwashed by this phantom corporate driven, government ruled mainstream media.
C. is a sheep (or the ever popular "sheeple")
I'm challenging YOU to stop and think for a minute. Isn't it possible that there are actually intelligent people out there, including those much more intelligent than you or I, who have actually looked at all the facts as they are known and were able to come to the same conclusions as those pushed by the MSM on any given topic?
I'm not saying that in all cases you're wrong nor am I trying to single you out... you just so happened to be the latest in a ridiculously long line of ATS members who I've seen post virtually the exact same put down about media conditioning, etc. I'm often reminded of that Simpsons episode where Marge leads the fight against cartoon violence and is then expected by the other members of her pro-censorship club to also participate in a protest against the statue of David because the other women feel it is obscene. I often feel like Marge in that episode... because it seems like you have to prescribe to EVERY "Our government is EEEEEEVILLLLLL!" theory that comes down the pike or else you're labeled as someone who doesn't think for themself. That's crap. Somewhere along the line the conspiracy related topics which ATS is known for became an all or nothing game instead of a collection of ideas. It's like George Noory is beaming thought patterns into your head telling you that it isn't enough to believe in Bigfoot, Aliens, and ghosts, you also MUST believe in parallel dimensions and Nabiru or else you have a closed mind and are an enemy of true scholars of the paranormal.
It shouldn't be this way, man. As difficult as it might be for you to wrap your little head around, I have studied topics and coverage from far outside the MSM and have actually *gasp* come to my own conclusions. If you look at my posts you might notice that quite a lot of my views stray from the MSM agenda anyway. So why in the blue hell do I have to get crapped on over the ocassional agreement with what you see as an official agenda? Oh, and your little jab about finding the Czech Republic on a map wasn't appreciated. While I'm not a walking Rand McNally I did take geography in high school and in college and I'm pretty decent at finding important nations on a map. Defend your generalization, if you would. What did I post that would lead you to the conclusion I didn't know the Czechs lay East of Germany, North of Austria, West of Slovakia, and Southwest of Poland.
Originally posted by Wotan
If you think this so-called missile shield is for Europe then you are very much mistaken ...... It is for the US and no-one else. It may be being 'sold' to Europe as a European Defence, but dont kid yourself.
Russia is no more a threat to Europe than Australia is to New Zealand. Russia and Europe have too much money tied up in each others economies to let military ambitions come between them.
A missile shield along the Southern Borders of Europe is a much better idea and far more practical - a ring from Portugal along the northern part of the Meditteranean Coast down to the Turkish/Iraq/Afghanistan Border.
Missile defense means defense, on offense. Russia would want to stop a NATO endorsed defensive weapon for what practical purposes other than huffing and puffing. Does Russia have a plan that these missiles will interrupt or stop?
Originally posted by Toveri
The reason is the balance of power, more specifically mutually assured destruction (en.wikipedia.org...).
MAD is a military doctrine stating, that a full-scale nuclear war between two parties would end up in the complete and utter annihilation of both powers.
And as morbid as it sounds, that was the only thing keeping the human race from blowing itself up during the cold war.
The problem with missile defence is that it could lead to the politicians of the "shielded" side to think they, and only they, could survive a nuclear war.
This would again make launching a full-scale nuclear assault a possibility to them.
It doesn't really matter wich side would think that, but if the MAD doctrine was truly challenged, it would pretty much mean the eventual death of the entire human race.
That is, more or less, the reason Russia opposes the missile shield - it would in their view make a nuclear war against them viable option for the first time since the 50's.
And no, nobody outside the US believes that the missile shield is aimed against "rogue states", that's utter BS. It's meant to either a) challenge the balance of power or b) channel some more money to the arms companies building the shield.
Originally posted by djerwulfe
reply to post by greysave
We had an openly hostile relationship with the Soviets in the 60's.
Last time I checked we weren't at war with Russia, so why are they thhreatening Europe with violence?