Russia threatens military response to US missile defence deal, page 2

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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So you actually buy into all of this "terror" BS so that the NWO can own you? Imagined safety or liberties? No brainer. I choose liberty.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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theres a big difference when American safety is put into limbo for corporate greed.

What way I see it, is we kicked up a major stink over russia placing missiles in cuba.......

but now we're doing the save in eastern europe?

reply to post by bakednutz

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I enjoy both safety and my many liberties, thank you. You forget, I'm the dude who believes that the idea terrorism against this country is a fabrication of our own government is the "BS." To me the concept of a one world government doesn't at all gel with the idea that we're supposedly being manipulated to hate and fear the arab world. When I actually sit down and examine the whole issue, I see that if there is an NWO, we're being pushed towards it by this liberal nonsense theory that no one country should have dominance over any other nation, and by the idea that non-Americans somehow deserve the same rights granted Americans under the constitution, and the Muslims are really good people who have been falsely villified by the government, and people like Osama bin Laden are innocent patsies of the CIA, etc, etc, etc.

I'm sorry, explain to me how in the hell me not giving a tinker's damn about the security, fate of, or state of any foreign nation over my own America is somehow fulfilling a globalist NWO agenda? It seems to me they'd be doing exactly the opposite as we all know you catch a hell of a lot more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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I could not have agreed anymore

very well said. Star'd

Originally posted by burdman30ott6
reply to post by bakednutz

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I enjoy both safety and my many liberties, thank you. You forget, I'm the dude who believes that the idea terrorism against this country is a fabrication of our own government is the "BS." To me the concept of a one world government doesn't at all gel with the idea that we're supposedly being manipulated to hate and fear the arab world. When I actually sit down and examine the whole issue, I see that if there is an NWO, we're being pushed towards it by this liberal nonsense theory that no one country should have dominance over any other nation, and by the idea that non-Americans somehow deserve the same rights granted Americans under the constitution, and the Muslims are really good people who have been falsely villified by the government, and people like Osama bin Laden are innocent patsies of the CIA, etc, etc, etc.

I'm sorry, explain to me how in the hell me not giving a tinker's damn about the security, fate of, or state of any foreign nation over my own America is somehow fulfilling a globalist NWO agenda? It seems to me they'd be doing exactly the opposite as we all know you catch a hell of a lot more flies with honey than you do with vinegar.

Well do you support all of the security measures put in place by GWB like the patriot act? All these things are eating away at our liberties and eroding the constituion.

reply to post by bakednutz

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Yes, I do support them and no, they are not eroding away at the Constitution. Like I said, foreign nationals, of the enemy combatant variety or otherwise, do not and should not have any rights or protection under OUR Constitution. So there goes the ever popular adios habeas corpus argument. The fact that you right now can sit behind a computer monitor and post pretty much anything you wish about GWB (except for threatening him, which was never legal to begin with) proves freedom of speech is still alive and well. Freedom of association never meant that you wouldn't experience some monitoring or scrutiny over your associations... I believe this was proven decades ago when the Federal government collected a list of known Klansmen to keep under watch.... uh, scratch that, it occured over a century and a half ago when the US government compiled a list of Confederate supporters and not only kept them under scrutiny and openly removed many of their rights, they also siezed their land, belongings, and resources purely over their association with the Confederacy. The 2nd amendment is actually in far better shape today than it was when GWB entered the office in 2000, thanks to him allowing Clinton's unconstitutional garbage bills to expire.

Here's what has changed...

You cannot go from your car to the boarding gate in 10 minutes at an airport. OK, that was what we call a convienience not a right, not a liberty. Completely different animals, there.

Your international phone conversations can be intercepted on the fly if you are suspected of being involved in terrorist activities or in support of terrorism... Hmm, not much has changed as prior to the Patriot Act the feds could still wiretap your phones prior to obtaining a warrant. It was called a delayed warrant and it wasn't all that uncommon. They tapped your phone in the name of national security and then filed the appropriate paperwork with the justice dept. If the Justice Dept determined there was no cause for the tap, anything collected was inadmisable on court. Kinda sounds like what we've got going now, except this system uses common sense in that the justice dept. bases their decision on the admissabillity of any collected evidence by actually reviewing the evidence itself in conjunction with any prior cause leading to the tap.

Anything else you want to bring to the table involves international treaties and agreements which we may be stretching a bit with imprisoning enemy combatants, waging war in Iraq, etc.

I have the same damn rights I had on the day I was born and so do you. Do I think GWB has been a good president? Not really. His international politics aren't solid, he's mishandled the economy, his position on immigration sucks, and he's wasted far, far too much time, money, and resources on worrying about appeasing the environmental crowd via crap like alternative energy subsidies. Is he the Devil incarnate as some around here paint him as? Hell f'n no! He isn't even remotely close to the worst president in my 32 year lifetime, that honor goes solidly to Mr. Jimmy Carter. And if we want to talk about REALLY bad presidents who did encroach on America's rights and did crap on the Constitution, FDR is a great place to start and Andrew Johnson is the guy to end with.

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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Well, I dont really feel like typing up all of the violations of the Constitution by the Patriot Act so if you follow this link I think it will give you a pretty clear idea of them. And BTW im not some left wing liberal nut like you seem to think.

www.aclu.org...

reply to post by burdman30ott6

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you are what is known in england as a muppet, your countrys need to defend themself is the cause of all of the problems in the world, this action will cause a war you twit, have you forgotten the cuban missile crisis when the shoe was on the other foot. it is aggression and stupidity and attitudes like yours are what gwb love , a sucked in moron, its all of our world not just the united stupids of america (apologies to those who can see the truth), you'll destroy it for everyone!!!!! fool

hmmm heres one for the theorists:

www.dw-world.de...

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