Every documentary you watch on the Apollo missions, they use the phrase "the race for the moon". When the USA started the mission to reach the moon we were well behind the Soviets in the "race for the moon". As history played out the USA was the first country to reach the moon, but this begs a question.

Why did the Soviets not land a man on the moon as well even if it would have been second? Not in the 60's, not in the 70's and not in the 80's. I know they landed a rover on the moon but not a man.

One would imagine that if the Soviets had been the first to place a man on the moon we would not have stopped trying to get there and certainly still would have put our own man on the moon.

You would think that the Soviets would want to know first hand what it is like there and also check out if we put anything there as well. (Especially, considering the paranoia we had for each other at the time.) I understand they may be able to do this remotely, but you would think they would want to put "boots on the ground" as well.

This would be akin to the Spanish coming to the New World and the English deciding to just stay home and listen to stories about it.

In the 30 years past you would have thought that some country would have wanted to land a man on the moon for themselves. I would be interested in hearing anyone's insight on this.

There is no real benefit in "men on the moon" except for propaganda purposes. Once USSR lost - why waste resources to come only second and in this way reminding who came first?
Just as in US moon landing is celebrated and burned in memory, in Russia it is the same with first cosmonaut. What would they achieve by sending men to moon? They send robots for data - cheaper.

Originally posted by alienstar
Exactly right...the figured why bother...just like the first race to launch a satellite and man in orbit.Just to say hey i did this first.

I think the OP understands the objective of being first, but his question was why didn't Russia went ahead with their program anyway.

Your own post helps his argument because you mention satellites and man in orbit. And guess what, Russia 'won' both and the US didn't stop with it's own programs.

Originally posted by Rabmal
Every documentary you watch on the Apollo missions, they use the phrase "the race for the moon". When the USA started the mission to reach the moon we were well behind the Soviets in the "race for the moon". As history played out the USA was the first country to reach the moon, but this begs a question.

Why did the Soviets not land a man on the moon as well even if it would have been second? Not in the 60's, not in the 70's and not in the 80's. I know they landed a rover on the moon but not a man.

You've heard the phrase "Getting there is half the fun"? In the case of a lunar mission, getting there is a *lot* easier than getting there and coming back to Earth, if for no other reason than that you have to carry your return vehicle, its fuel, and life-support consumables for the return trip up from the bottom of Earth's gravity field. The USSR landed rovers and impact probes, and the US landed impact probes and soft-landers, all with relatively small rockets. The increased size of the booster needed for a round-trip mission was a technical challenge, to say the least.

The Americans tried one approach with the Saturn-series boosters...we developed high-thrust engines (the F-1 Kerosene-LOX monster, and the J-series LH/LOX upper stage engines). There were huge developmental hurdles, but relative simplicity. The Saturn-V had a total of 11 engines (5x F-1 in the first stage, 5x J-2 in the second stage, and 1 J-2 in the third stage).

The Soviet approach was to take relatively small engines and use a LOT of them...44 to be exact. 30 in the first stage, 8 in the second, 4 in the third, and 1 in each of the last two. The N-1 was, in short, a massively complex vehicle, even by comparison to the Saturn V. That complexity made development a nightmare, and made the vehicle itself expensive. The continued failures of the N-1, spiraling program costs, a tightening economy, and the loss of the propaganda advantage combined to kill off the Soviet lunar program.

One would imagine that if the Soviets had been the first to place a man on the moon we would not have stopped trying to get there and certainly still would have put our own man on the moon.

I wouldn't bet on that, frankly, given how fast we stopped going back once we 'won' the race.

You would think that the Soviets would want to know first hand what it is like there and also check out if we put anything there as well. (Especially, considering the paranoia we had for each other at the time.) I understand they may be able to do this remotely, but you would think they would want to put "boots on the ground" as well.

This would be akin to the Spanish coming to the New World and the English deciding to just stay home and listen to stories about it.

The Soviets could already make a fairly good guess about what we were taking to the Moon....despite their failure with the N-1, the Soviets had some of the best engineers and rocket experts in the business...once they saw a Saturn-V, and looked over the open-source details on it, they could back-figure for payload and come to the conclusion that we weren't smuggling secret nuclear weapons up there...then we stopped going, so there was nothing to check on in any case.

The Spanish / English analogy is an interesting one, but it overlooks one of the vital things about the race to the moon. Both the Spanish and the English had the technology (and the hardware) to get to the New World. The USSR lacked the hardware to make the trip.

In the 30 years past you would have thought that some country would have wanted to land a man on the moon for themselves. I would be interested in hearing anyone's insight on this.

Lots of countries might want to land a man on the moon, but wanting to do it isn't enough (just ask the Soviets). It takes a combination of massive engineering talent, huge amounts of available money, and a national desire to make the effort. The U.S. lost the national will to support its lunar program, then the money got diverted, and now the technological / engineering base is gone, which is why the "new" lunar mission program is having to start from scratch.

The Russians had heavy lift rockets at the start of the "race". America struggled to catch up. Putting things and people in orbit is totally different than sending them off and bringing them back. This has been stated very well in a couple of responses. I can still remember reading the Russians did this or that in big headlines in the local newspaper. They had a series of very good results and reasons to be very proud of their accomplishments. They also had some big set backs not well publicized that held them up from progressing.

The real bottom line, it's not money, Russia had one of its highest priorities in this area for propaganda. It really came down to who captured the better German scientists at the end of WW2. The USA got the better German scientists that had the longer vision.

They couldn't afford to at that time Russia's government was being restructured at that time.

I think that the moon is really of limited value at this time. If there was really any incentive to get to the moon other than bragging rights and the geology, the Russians would have gotten there by hook or crook.

The Russians put their money on longevity in space rather than distance. On the whole, the Russians may have been right all along.

Going to the moon was a worthy endeavor and sparked the kind of public interest that NASA needed, but the very fact that since that time we've spent our time and money on the space station for humans, while leaving other worlds to machines really tells the story.

maybe USA hoaxed USSR into a space race to have them lose the cold war by way of bankruptcy default

Are we absolutely sure they didn't? I wouldn't put it past them Commies to have landed a couple of guys on it, only to have them die there and not tell anybody.

I just hear that the big issue was have a "Lunar Module" being able to connect againt with a SHIP that was orbiting the moon. I understand this was a turning point for the Americans. Along with the the problems of the N1 would lead one to surmise the answer to the issue.

Yet, you woul think after this long some one would come up with and idea since the WI has come out and your Grandparents can now bowl from their livingroom!

They haven't bothered to go since the aliens told us not to come back?