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The Nazis Declared War On Christianity In Public Schools Just As The Radical Left Is Doing Today

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posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 04:47 PM
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The Nazis hated Christianity and tried to completely eliminate it from schools and public life. Check out what this Nazi tract from 1941 entitled "Gott und Volk" had to say about children:

“With parties and gifts the youth will be led painlessly from one faith to the other and will grow up without ever having heard of the Sermon on the Mount or the Golden Rule, to say nothing of the Ten Commandments… The education of the youth is to be confined primarily by the teacher, the officer, and the leaders of the party. The priests will die out. They have estranged the youth from the Volk. Into their places will step the leaders. Not deputies of God. But anyway the best Germans. And how shall we train our children? Thus, as though they had never heard of Christianity!”

And there are many more historical quotes and facts which prove this point about the Nazis:

theendtimesblog.blogspot.com...

The reality is that the socialists of the radical left of today that are trying to eliminate Christianity from our public schools are very similar to the national socialists (Nazis) of the 40s.




posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:43 PM
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Religion does not belong in public schools. My tax dollars should not go to public shcools who teach religion. Religion belongs at home and in the church or private Christian schools.

Even Christian fundamentalists shouldn't want their children taught religion in public schools. How do you know they would be teaching your particular flavor of Christianity?



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:52 PM
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Just because Hitler did it, it doesn't make it an evil act. The guy didn't go stabbing puppies and shooting children in the face at random while popping down to the pub for a pint.

In regards to Christianity being attacked in public school: Religion in public school is a no-no. It isn't a new left side attack on christians, it is keeping religion out of public schools.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:16 PM
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Christianity SHOULDN'T be taught in public schools. Neither should Judaism, Muslim teachings, Native American shamanism, Scientology nor any other faith-based initiative. The separation of church & state should protect against tax dollars supporting any one dogma in preference over any other.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:48 PM
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Just a quick point. The Communists in Russia were anti-religion. The Nazis, however, were quite Christian and even received a kind of hands-off blessing from the Pope. The Nazis combined a number of interesting mythologies, including mystical Christian mythologies and traditions, to justify their actions.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by JoshNorton
Christianity SHOULDN'T be taught in public schools. Neither should Judaism, Muslim teachings, Native American shamanism, Scientology nor any other faith-based initiative. The separation of church & state should protect against tax dollars supporting any one dogma in preference over any other.


Well, I disagree here. I think they should all be taught, equally, just as we teach about the various political parties and world cultures. Just because you teach about something doesn't mean you're promoting it. And, after hearing the pluses and minuses of the various religions, if somebody wants to choose one over another, or none at all, that's their business.

Personally, the more I learned about various religions as a kid, the less I wanted to have anything to do with any of them as an adult.


[edit on 8-7-2008 by Nohup]



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup
Just a quick point. The Communists in Russia were anti-religion. The Nazis, however, were quite Christian and even received a kind of hands-off blessing from the Pope. The Nazis combined a number of interesting mythologies, including mystical Christian mythologies and traditions, to justify their actions.


No. The Nazis knew how to use religion. They knew how to bend the Protestants and the Catholics to their purposes at various times. But the Nazis were neither Catholic nor Protestant, they were the heirs of the satanic/occultic Thule Society, and their religion was a revival of a pagan pantheon.

As far as the Nazis treatment of churches, as their power rose to surprising heights, Hitler eventually ordered that crosses and crucifixes be removed from churches to be replaced with his portrait. He also ordered the Bibles in the churches be replaced with Mein Kampf. This of course speaks for itself, but lest one miss the point, such are not the actions of a christian of any stripe.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Very interesting.
Dictators ALWAYS want to come between people and Divine authority.
Be it the "church" or some despot.
Our grandparents don't recognize American schools to how they were in their day.
I quit in 9th grade because it was such a vacuous chasm with teachers who wouldn't say anything to anyone about morality or spirituality.
(of course at the time it was to have more time to "party")


to Joshnorton;

Neither should Judaism, Muslim teachings, Native American shamanism,


But THESE are!
My son was taking a star test and got in trouble for refusing to answer a question about how people of other religions talk to spirits.????

[edit on 8-7-2008 by Clearskies]



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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I no longer believe in schools of any kind run by the federal or local governments or similar elected institutions under the civil or common law.

Education of children is the right and obligation of parents and legal caregivers, and it is up to them to sort out how the children will be educated.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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Just because the Nazis used some of the more esoteric and currently unpopular varieties of Christianity didn't make them less Christian. As far as I'm concerned, Christianity is a religion with a very broad spectrum of beliefs, from the demon-fighting Jesuits, to the happy hippie Jesus freaks, to the little old ladies with their bake sales, to the Grail hunters, to the mystics who locked themselves away for years in tiny little rooms and wore hair shirts to reach the Cloud of Unknowing.

It's all the same deal.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:00 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup
Well, I disagree here. I think they should all be taught, equally, just as we teach about the various political parties and world cultures. Just because you teach about something doesn't mean you're promoting it. And, after hearing the pluses and minuses of the various religions, if somebody wants to choose one over another, or none at all, that's their business.

Personally, the more I learned about various religions as a kid, the less I wanted to have anything to do with any of them as an adult.
Well I would certainly agree that education is better than ignorance, but in our current society I wouldn't trust the system to give all religions an equal and fair shake. You hear enough stories about individual teachers bringing their own brand of fire & brimstone into the classroom, or those who'd publicly denounce the curriculum they're required to cover. It gets heated enough without having any particular governing body dictating which belief systems are or are not worthy of being covered. (because you certainly couldn't please everybody...)



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:03 PM
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Originally posted by Nohup
Just because the Nazis used some of the more esoteric and currently unpopular varieties of Christianity didn't make them less Christian. As far as I'm concerned, Christianity is a religion with a very broad spectrum of beliefs, from the demon-fighting Jesuits, to the happy hippie Jesus freaks, to the little old ladies with their bake sales, to the Grail hunters, to the mystics who locked themselves away for years in tiny little rooms and wore hair shirts to reach the Cloud of Unknowing.

It's all the same deal.


While that may be your opinion, it is incorrect. The Nazis were fundamentally not christian in any fashion. They cozied up to various denominations as it served them, but they were reviving a form of paganism with serious satanic and occultic components. They knew how to play on the national and religious impulses of the Germans, but they were ultimately the enemy of anyone who prefered Jesus Christus over der Führer. So if you were going to have faith in the Erlöser, his name better have been Adolf and not Jesus.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:09 PM
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Not entirely true. Hitler tolerated Christianity but he didn’t approve of it. Based on the evidence, given enough time he would have done away with it. The Communists in Russia were just a little quicker and, perhaps, a bit harsher in trying to extinguish it.

It is true that Hitler incorporated many Christian symbols and methodologies into his new religious style. He, and others in the hierarchy, were actually very admiring of some of the methods of the Jesuits, for example. They used whatever bits and pieces of whatever mythologies and structures that appealed to them and they found useful. A good overview is on Wiki:

HItler and Religion

As to the issue of banning religion in schools, well…This is one of those things where if you dare to opine that Hitler was right about something it just gets you dirty looks and the drinks get shut off. But then again, one could make an argument for a national government to be involved at all in public schooling is a bad idea…



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by MandM
The reality is that the socialists of the radical left of today that are trying to eliminate Christianity from our public schools are very similar to the national socialists (Nazis) of the 40s.


Now this is one hell of a stretch!


I guess our founding fathers were just idiots when they insisted on keeping the Constitution a secular document, and inserting that whole separation of church and state thingy, too.

See the Establishment Clause ensures our religious liberty, and by the same token is grants liberty from religion. If you would like your children to be exposed to Christian views, it is your responsibility to do so. This responsibility does not fall upon the shoulders of the public school system, the government or even the taxpayers. It belongs to you.

So, if you dislike the fact that any type of religious movement cannot proselytize to public schoolchildren, send your kids to a private school that does.



posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 04:04 PM
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Yeah if I were to have children in a public school, and they were being taught any kind of religion, I would remove them from that school immediately. Now religion as an elective class would be fine I think, not proper worship practices, more like history of religion or something like that.



posted on Jul, 12 2008 @ 04:17 PM
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Public school is not the place for religion. If you want your children to get a religious education, then send them to a Catholic or other private school. That's what my mother did. It is not the responsibility of a public school to nurture and feed a child their religious beliefs. That's the parent's job. If you need help doing it, then send them to a private school. Stop blaming public schools for refusing to compensate for something that's the parent's responsibility to begin with.



posted on Jul, 13 2008 @ 09:42 AM
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I'm sure the Nazis did not want Islam taught in schools either. Does that mean you advocate the teaching of Islam in public schools



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 11:28 AM
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Actually, the phrase ‘separation of church and state’ doesn’t appear anywhere in our founding documents. It’s taken from a private letter from Thomas Jefferson to a church group.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"

That’s it, no mas.

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Personally, I think that the government has no business being involved in education at all, with the current awful state of the government indoctrination centers we call public schools as evidence. Ultimately, a childes education is the responsibility of the parents, even if they contract that necessity out to a private school, a tutor or a government. If you’re foolish enough to allow a government to have many hours a day to influence you child, then you shouldn’t be at all surprised when your child ends up believing things that are of benefit to the government, but not to the child.

Left, right or whatever, tyrants always try to usurp God’s place in the minds of the young. They have bought the original lie, ’ye shall be as gods’, and are trying to make it come to pass.



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by MandM
The Nazis hated Christianity and tried to completely eliminate it from schools and public life.


And I grew up thinking Hitler hated the Jewish people. That he and the Nazis tried to completely eliminate them from the face of the earth. I never heard that he had the same hatred for Christians.

Maybe because Jesus was Jewish? That Hitler hated those who worshipped a Jew? Its possible I guess...

I am surprised that you failed to mention how for over 300 years Christians were persecuted for the beliefs, and often crucified. Those 'LIBERAL' Romans, right?

In some ways, I hate the fundamentalist Christians who keep donating money to the Jews, so that they can try rebuild Solomon's Temple and bring on the end of days. Come on, stop trying to end the world. You are not going to heaven. You are going to get 'left behind', but so are all your friends, so you won't even really notice...

You may have faith, but if your faith causes you to act evil, you are evil. If your faith encourages you to bring on the apocalypse, you are a fool and you are evil.
Evil people go to hell.

Oh, by the way...
Christianity has no place in Public Schools. No religion does in the United States of America. And if by 'Public Life' you mean anything to do with Government, or Government funds, Christianity should be smart and stay away. Seriously. Or give up their Tax Exempt Status as a religious organization. Only problem with that, if people don't have it as a tax write off, then they stop donating, if they stop donating the church dies. You don't want that do you?

Separation of Church and State is better for all parties in the long run.
DocMoreau



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 11:53 AM
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so to use your own terms (what i consider the ridiculous use of left and right and political leanings and political spectrum to attempt to divide people on some real and some fake issues) how are the nazis different from the radical right who are trying to force religion and religious dogma and tenets into our public schools? hmmmm?



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