Some Americans are not supporting our troops, and they should be ashamed!, page 6
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reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 01:23 AM by muzzleflash
reply to post by Double Eights


your telling me in america , life is so bad, we only have 2 choices in life

Fight for the military and kill ppl

or option 2

live on the streets and starve


Yea right thats a huge load of #

dude they could work at mcdonalds at least...even tho some people may say the food you serve is poison!


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 01:46 AM by NorthWolfe CND
reply to post by Wotan


Not agreeing with anything you said but respecting you for having said it. Whether you believe in war or not I would kindly remind you that the support for the troops is not a political issue. In any service, be it military, police, fire department, civil service, intelligence service and so on, the opinion of the people serving is not an issue, you get an order and you obey it, period. There is no democracy in the military where the soldiers get to vote on whether they want to fight a war or no, as in a fire department on whether they feel like fighting a certain fire or just letting it burn...

I bet a lot of NYPD and NYFD and Port Authority personnel in 9/11, and specially their families, would be better off if they said "nah, too dangerous and big, just let it burn and those suckers inside can just die"...but they didn't, at least most of them, and they managed to save as many people has they could and they traded their lives for the lives of perfect strangers.

And the reason for this, a thing that apparently few people on this forum have any notion of: A SENSE OF DUTY!

A thank you goes a long way but an "I'M Sorry for the sacrifices we asked you to perform", specially from the people that don't believe in a particular war, would be, In My Opinion, more then welcomed. Because a government isn't some alien body that flew in from the stars, once it is in power it represents the whole of the community, whether or not you vote for it, because in an organized society it is impossible to have a government for each persons opinion...
And Soldiers, like myself are not some strange fighting machines created by this or that government, we are fathers, sons, uncles, sisters, brothers of somebody. Because we have a sense of Duty we do not see conspiracies behind every shadow, we do what our government, in my case Canada, thinks is the right thing to do, period.

As for traitors, in the field we have a way of dealing with them, unfortunately in the rest of society I see that our governments have no such ways of dealing with these people...such a shame...


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 02:08 AM by NorthWolfe CND
Originally posted by onlyhurtsu
If nobody volunteered to fight in wars, then wars wouldnt exist.

So, who says the troops made the right choice to go fight?

Heres a good way to make decisions. When you choose to do something...imagine everyone doing the same thing....Then you can see if that works.

So I choose to not fight and I wish everyone else would wake up too. Is it my fault the rest of the world is too afraid to do the same thing.

Oh but reality is that there are people who will attack us bla bla bla. Yea so what. Attachment is the root of all suffering. Nobody can harm us, we are forever. So why worry about hanging on to everything including your body.

Any argument against this is fear and clinging.


Wars wouldn't exist? What are you? 10 years old, or just plain retard?

The last country that decided not to have armed forces was the then called Switzerland of the Middle East (Lebanon). Know what happened to them genius? They were invade by every country in the region (Syria, Israel, the PLO, that had just been kicked out of Jordan), and were ravaged by more then ten warlords of rivaling factions. Today, instead of the Switzerland of the East you have a s*it hole that only exist as a theoretical country. That's what you get for pacifism...A country with the wealth and wellbeing of the West turned into a site for refugee camps and graveyards...

War is the natural state of human beings, it is peace that is the abnormal, and generally short lived, state.

Of course you won't fight, you have others to do the dirty work for you, while you get to be a pacifist hippie yellow belied waste of oxygen...

Soon, I hope, we will have a decent government that will treat people like yourself the way they need to be treated...


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 02:09 AM by USMC-oorah
Originally posted by _Phoenix_
Originally posted by USMC-oorah


Support war, love war, hate war, you'll demand someone else to take those bullets when the metaphorical sh*t hits the fan. If war ever is seen by the sheltered and spoiled American people they will love us.


Why do I always see soldiers say this?

Some of you appear to say that your tough guys, fighting for us etc, and that we are all weak pathetic fools, who can't handle becoming a soldier.

I see that a lot, why? Ego stroking?
I'm pretty sure if sh*t hits the fan like you say, that a lot of these people who don't support the war, WILL help fight to protect their country, because that really will be protecting their country and families.


Does saying i'll do my job to protect my people sound egotistical? Are you kidding me? Yes, i'm sure plenty of people would stand up in a unorganized blob and try to wage a defense. Those people would probably be hit, maimed, or killed very quickly. Anyone can become a soldier in that situation.

Okay here, i'll put it in a different story. If you are walking down the street minding your own business and a man robs you at gunpoint. When this man is robbing you there is a cop a couple feet away. The cop should come over to rescue you, right? And you would be VERY thankful that cop risked his life to save you, right? That's my point. You can't deny someone love and thanks when they save your life.

Tell me where I called my American people weak or, fools. I said we are sheltered and spoiled because we are. You can stand up and try to fight if in fact war ever comes to American soil. I never said American people wouldn't! I know they would! If a war hit your town, near your family. Wouldn't you want highly trained warriors around you, not a militia? That's my only point.

I wasn't saying they would have support our troops bumper stickers after that. I just was saying they might be a little more thankful for soldiers. I clearly stated I don't care if people don't support the troops.


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 02:11 AM by FIFIGI
reply to post by LDragonFire


It happens with Latvians serving in Iraq as well, but they should not be there in the first place! IMHO it was their choice to aid the amoral occupation of Iraq. So if someone else treats them amorally they just get back what they have given to others.



reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 02:15 AM by FIFIGI
reply to post by NorthWolfe CND


This is disgusting world view. According to you the best defense strategy is an attack, right? Where does it take us? Our future is battleground and WW3, WW4, WW5 is inevitable. When does it stop? Till we kill off each other entirely?
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