Some Americans are not supporting our troops, and they should be ashamed!, page 5

reply to post by King Seesar

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Thank you, even if it's a kindly attempt to placate a man on a rant, and even more thanks if it's not. IMO, this is a good and true organization. There are others. Just sending a card makes a difference.

www.yellowribbonsg.org...

All the best

More:

www.troopssupport.com...

M.M. Bosstones, anyone?

www.youtube.com...


I'm done. Sorry all for uncomfortable silence surrounding my rants. Not sorry for making them.


As you were. Shine.

reply to post by LDragonFire

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I think this is more a case about moal corruption or the degrading ethics Americans now posses.

Material/ personal possesions is #1, and law is considered the moral standard. If you are not "breaking" the law, you are doing nothing wrong. The Bible/ religion is #2 (not necessarily a bad thing, but 'God' is put before the fellow man), and your conscious and fellow man is # 3 or lower.

Much of America no longer operates under morality.

I don't think this is about not supporting our troops.

reply to post by LDragonFire

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While I support our troops overseas I however do not support our current Administration that should have never gotten our soldiers mixed up in Iraq to begin with all for oil and lieing to us about the WMD's being there. It's difficult for any American to honestly right now to support anything Government, and unfortuanately the Military is a large part of the Government, albeit it's a part of the enforcement arm.

I can say truly I understand long distance relationships and being away from loved ones for lenghty periods of time, not in being in the military during it, but I do honestly say I understand and empahsize with the soldiers who are fighting hard in a country where no one wants them, including a large part of the citizens who they are there for to begin with. Long distance relationships suck the big donkey, and I can attest to that, and of course the proverbial "Dear John" or "Dear Joan" letter has to suck.

While I was in the military for a short period of time, I was not in a relationship at the time, but I remember the Drill Sergeant's as well as other leaders later telling all of us the signs to watch for with someone potentially getting a "Dear John" letter, because they become distant, close off communications, as well as if finding out about it, we were told to not let those people isolate themselves for very long, even five minutes might be too long. We were encouraged to open a dialogue of some kind with those soliders, in order to force them to communicate with someone, anyone, so that they had no option to "shut down" emotionally.

I agree with your point of view that it sucks that the soldiers are not being supported, I'm sure it's just as hard on the families back here within the United States having their families ripped apart by a war most of them do not believe in as well as not knowing if their loved one will come back whole, let along come back at all.

reply to post by Double Eights

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let's not forget the vast amount of sign ups and recruiting activity in poor sections of town...many of them have little choice other than to join up to hopefully help bring in needed income for family or to help them pay for an education that should be paid for anyway!

Look at the history of the United States...time and time again, it's the poor that fights the war for disagreeing elites who profit off of their backs and literally over their dead bodies.

All one needs to do here is look and see who and what corporations are profiting from this one the most.

It's very sad indeed. These men and women join up and then lay their lives on the line to defend what they believe to be freedom and liberty, and all they ask is that we don't send them into battle unless it's for a damned good reason. I seriously doubt they would consider the damned good reason to be enabling defense contractors to make out like bandits while speculators and the cartel get filthy rich over inflated oil prices!!!

Yeah, I want to sign up to elevate myself just a little while wallowing around in poverty and oppression, to help the rich get richer...where is the dotted line?

For the interested, I’d like to reference: “A People’s History of the United States 1492 - PRESENT” by Howard Zinn.




[edit on 9-7-2008 by skyshow]

Originally posted by jprophet420
What current war have you been alive for that there was a draft that was required to preserve freedom? WWII was the last one I know of.

There was a draft for the war in Vietnam. Even though I was not eligible for the draft until the age of eighteen, I enlisted in US Marine Corps on the buddy plan at the age of seventeen in 1967 and 13 days after graduation, I was in Boot Camp and MCRD, San Diego, CA. I was in Vietnam before my nineteenth birthday and was wounded in action in February 1969, and was seriously wounded and evacuated back to the United States for treatment for burns to 45% of my body surface.

While there was a large contingent of cowardly Americans who insisted that the US had no business in Vietnam, they are ignorant of the SEATO agreement that also brought Australia, New Zealand, and South Korea into the war.

A more practical reason we fought in Vietnam was to help the stanch the threat of global communism which was a direct threat to freedom in the US, which is exemplified by the enormous influence Marxism still has in our country, especially in the academy and in the Democrat Party.

So, the last war we were involved in that had a draft and was a direct threat to American freedom was Vietnam, where we fought not only for our freedom but for the freedom of the South Vietnamese.

I realize that this does not comport with the lies you've been spoon-fed for the better part of your life, but this is the truth.

The success of the US on the battlefields of Vietnam and the almost complete destruction of the VC in Tet 1968 and the crippling of the NVA during Tet 1969 was a message to Russia and China to walk more softly and Vietnam and Reagan's commitment to rebuild the US military during the nineties, really broke the back of the Soviet Union.

China is now more friendly with the US since the Communist Revolution after WW II and they have been moving toward free markets for decades.

So, I'm not sure of what importance your question represents, but there's the story of my call to duty and my voluntary response, even when there was a draft system and plenty of deferments for those who met the myriad criteria.

I chose to serve my country and it is a decision I will never regret.

I will never have to feel the regret that was recognized even in Shakespeare's day:

We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.

www.chronique.com...

reply to post by maria_stardust

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"" I think part of the problem stems from the fact that we're dealing with an altogether differnt generation. A generation that is used to being the center of attention. A generation that demands instant gratification. ""


I'm sorry, but I couldn't disagree more.

The PROBLEM is, LIARS control the news, not truth tellers.

PERIOD!

The generation gap, is a separate manipulation.

reply to post by shipovfools

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Yea right on! I agree.

Only surrender of our fear of loss will end the fighting. Just gotta take the damnrisk of dying..who cares, life doesnt end.

I see soldiers as sort of the same religious sheep phenomenon. Just joining some group they think is "good" or "right."

Supporting the delusions of christianity or the govt is the same mistake. I forgive them for their unconsciousness however.

It like civil disobedience of Thoreau or MLK...just gotta disobey and die or go to jail if it comes to that. Thats the highest level 6 of Kohlbergs stages of moral development. Why does everyone respect these guys so much...cuz they were strong and did the right thing no matter what. Not join an organization that is insane and forces them to do act insane.

I think i support the ideologies of Ghandi, MLK, and Thoreau...over the uneducated troops who enetered because they had little choice from acting like an ass in their teenage years or being dumb or brainwashed. Do u respect the troops more than MLK?

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