Some Americans are not supporting our troops, and they should be ashamed!, page 12
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reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 04:24 PM by jprophet420
reply to post by capgrup

Thank you.



reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 05:27 PM by Barak89
reply to post by Azazelus


I Barak Wangler, do so solemnly swear, that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith, and allegiance to the same, and that I will obey the orders, of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice so help me God.

No where in there does it say I am to overthrow my government, but to obey it. It is the job of the people to take action. If we did put a stop to the corrupt people and replace them I promise will will put in just as many more corrupt people anyway. No I welcome you to LIFE, I don't bitch about the government or the troops or the war. So why should I do something. You can die trying? well maybe you should start trying. Impress me by showing you care for more than yourself. I told you I didn't want to argue this but I await your reply. These things mentioned above are the only things I will discuss.


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 05:57 PM by cautiouslypessimistic
Originally posted by Double Eights
Originally posted by jprophet420Good luck living with yourself after you find out that you murdered innocent people, after you questioned it yourself but decided to go through with it anyway to avoid a court martial.

[edit on 8-7-2008 by jprophet420]


So, like I said, what do you suggest they do? Do you suggest every Military man and woman refuse to go to War?

If they do that, they are dishonerably discharged and sent to prison. Then, I pose you this question, who is left to defend our country against enemy attack?

You?

Edit: And what do you suppose I tell my four nieces and nephew when they find out their father will be in prison for quite a few years, and that their sole source of income is their mother who works on the military base the will surely be kicked off of due to their father's dishonerable discharge?

Shall I tell them to enjoy living in the streets?

[edit on 8-7-2008 by Double Eights]


First off, to insinuate that everysingle military person would be put in prison if they refused to go is assinine. #1, there arent that many prison cells, #2, a mass ceasrfire like that from troops would lead to radical changes in government.

Second, what do you tell your neices and nephews that their father is doing right now? Do you lie to them and tell them that he is protecting their freedom? Do you tell them he is a hero? Or do you tell them the truth, that he is from the bottom third of our countries graduating class and that he had few other options and is now fighting an illegal war, killing private citizens, and spreading tyranny to other countries?

If he laid down his weapon, you could tell them he was a hero. You could tell them he did what was right. And you could tell them to honor his sacrifice.


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 07:32 PM by Dave Rabbit
Originally posted by InterWeb
reply to post by Dave Rabbit


load of junk.

Like was it the Soldier that gave the people the right to protest in that American campus when Vietnam was going on? or was it he who was sent in to take the life of said demonstrator.

And don’t go on about World War II, that was a war that needed defending. Iraq is a war that is senseless, just like the fakeness of Vietnam. The people who fight in the wars are the people who fuel them and walk into them with, what seems now a days, no thought of mind.

The people who defended against the rise of Hitler, where people who had to take a stand, as Hitler was invading most of Europe. The young brain-dead GI’s that are walking the streets of Iraq right now, don’t even know why they are there, could not even point to it on a map 6 weeks before turning up and mostly want to come home!

[edit on 9-7-2008 by InterWeb]


InterWeb, sorry.... I don't get involved in all the BS and the He Said, She Said rhetoric and whether one person is right or wrong. The bottom line..... my opinion is just that, mine. "Load Of Junk"? Expressing ones opinions is NEVER a load of junk here on ATS. You must be confusing us with someone else. Just as you are entitled to your opinion... so am I. Take it as what it is, an opinion. Agree, disagree or don't give a rat's buttocks..... makes me no difference. You nor anyone else will ever print anything or say anything that will make me change my stance on soldiers. That said, I at least respect the fellow members who have a different opinion than I rather than personal attacks on their position.

Dave

[edit on 7/9/2008 by Dave Rabbit]


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 07:52 PM by Azazelus
Originally posted by Barak89
reply to post by Azazelus


I Barak Wangler, do so solemnly swear, that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that I will bear true faith, and allegiance to the same, and that I will obey the orders, of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to the regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice so help me God.

No where in there does it say I am to overthrow my government, but to obey it. It is the job of the people to take action. If we did put a stop to the corrupt people and replace them I promise will will put in just as many more corrupt people anyway. No I welcome you to LIFE, I don't bitch about the government or the troops or the war. So why should I do something. You can die trying? well maybe you should start trying. Impress me by showing you care for more than yourself. I told you I didn't want to argue this but I await your reply. These things mentioned above are the only things I will discuss.


Simply put, I suggest you reread the Constitution, identify the domestic enemy, and uphold the oath you stated.

This government is waging an illegal war, spending taxpayer's money to do so without their approval, and you just "follow orders."

As far as replacing the corrupt, I am sorry your position in the plane of life has led you to the conclusion that corruptness is inevitable.

I'm not "bitching" about anything. I merely stated that I do not support our troops, in a vast amount of words, simply because their entire existence is based on a false sense of insecurity.

The beauty of my situation, is that I don't have to die trying.... yet...

Because, my opinion, and the opinion of a great many citizens, is that the only attacks on American soil have been perpetrated in some form by our own government. If not carried out or allowed in some form, it was at least used as a catalyst for the biggest usurping of unchallenged power that this country has ever seen.

I do my part by educating those who are uninformed or delusional, such as yourself. It is not my fault if you continue to "wear the flag as a blindfold", and take comfort in "waving your guns and your gods at the world."

[edit on 9-7-2008 by Azazelus]


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 08:23 PM by Barak89
reply to post by Azazelus


You see this is why I didn't want to get into this because you can't prove anything to someone with the ideals you have. Sorry but it is true maybe your right. I am delusional, I am uninformed. I am blindfolded and I wave my guns and gods at the world. Sorry I don't choose to believe all the BS that gets fabricated and re fabricated. Once again I am blind and you are right I suppose. But when the time comes if it ever comes, I promise I will be the first to defend your life. And I will do that not because ive been blinded but because I have such a great love for this country and the people that live in it that I would lay down my life for any of its citizens. I'm not belittling anyones feelings for this country but thats just the way I feel. I don't want to argue this anymore, Ive shared my opinions and they are mine and I have listened to yours.

Thank you.
Barak


reply posted on 9-7-2008 @ 08:46 PM by Double Eights
Quotations from another thread dealing with a soldier who refused to go to war.


Guess he should not have re-enlisted and gotten out of the Army when he had the opportunity, since we have been in Iraq for awhile and him being Army, he was bound to go eventually.


Original Post: THIS GUY IS A HERO!!
Response: Nope, he is a quitter plain and simple.

To make him out to be anything more is stupid.

If he did not want to play in the "illegal war" then maybe he should have gotten out after his first tour came up?

He was willing to play soldier so long as it was convenient for him and the Army paid, clothed, and fed him. As soon as it got difficult on him he quit, plain and simple.



He won't be missed. His kind is useless in a combat zone, anyway.

He'll probably like prison much more than fulfilling his miltary obligation.

He'll make a lot of sweet friends there.

His dishonorable discharge and criminal record will look good on his resume, too.



That's his choice and its one that I can respect, but on the flip side, he also voluntarily signed a committment with the US military and in return received numerous financial and possibly educational incentives from the taxpayers of this country for doing so.



Then why did he choose to re-enlist? Nobody forced him to. He must not be too brilliant if he knew he would go to Iraq to fight in this "illegal war" and yet still choose to re-enlist. Not too bright.

The army is better off without him.


*Note* Those are only from the first page of a seven page thread*
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So I ask, which is it? Go fight this illegal war and be called a "traitor," or refuse to go and be called a "traitor."

[edit on 9-7-2008 by Double Eights]
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