I could see an acceptable application for this device. All Congress members, Senators, the POTUS, vice-POTUS, Secretary of State, Secretary of Defense, Director of Homeland Security, CIA, SS, and KGB, and perhaps the members of the Federal Reserve, should wear one of these. Whenever they are about to violate their oath of office by, for example, voting on a measure which they have not read or do not comprehend, such as the Patriot Acts or FISA, or try to attach an earmark to an unrelated bill, or serve special interests rather the public at large, or approve/apply illegal interrogation methods, they would get a shock of escalating intensity and duration until they finally relent, pull out the text of their oath of office, write it on a chalk board 1,000 times, take and pass a citizenship exam, and finally conduct the Nation's business in the manner they promised when they were sworn in to their public office. Yes, I know the Fed as a private corporation doesn't have an oath of office.

[edit on 7/9/2008 by dubiousone]

Is this really necessary?
I mean, I'd hate to be the terrorist that even tries to hijack the next plane full of Americans.
I don't think The people on board will ever allow their plane to be hijacked again.

Not sure if it's true but I heard this story surfaced only after an email from someone in Homeland Security was leaked to the public.
I wonder how long it will be before one of these bracelets accidentally malfunction and ZAP-P-P-S everyone on board.

maybe this was mentioned, forgive me if it was...

i agree that it would be hard to keep track of which button to push for which passenger - i can see this being more computerized. pick a name from a list and the computer knows which passenger has which bracelet. the other thought is maybe they'll go the cheap route and just make it zap everyone on the plane.

in any case i can see the "terrorists" using this against us. the signal that triggers the bracelet would need to be encrypted to prevent it. even then, you let a couple of your buddies get zapped, record the signals, see what's different about them, analyze the differences and see if you're able to fabricate your own piece, mix it back in with what was common in the signals and you could potentially zap anyone you wanted.

I haven't read all the posts in this thread, but many seem to feel that the American public would not accept wearing such a device in order to be able to fly. I hope they are right, but I have my doubts.

Since 9/11 our rights have been slowly been eroded in the name of the 'war on terror' with little or no protest from the general public. I can't tell you how many times I have heard the phrase 'If you aren't doing anything wrong, then you have nothing to fear'

So the question is, will the American public FINALLY wake up and say "NO More" or will we as a people continue to allow the government to control us as we sheepishly stick our arms out as we board the plane, enter the building, go to school ......... etc

Originally posted by masqua

How long will it take before such devises are installed somewhere within newborns, to be a life-long control mechanism?

If they do this, they would have to standardize where it would be inplanted. It would have to be some place that would allow them to update programing. You know like the back of the right hand or forehead. Opps seems like I have heard that somewhere before.

Originally posted by Keyhole
I can just see this thing malfunctioning and zapping people for no reason, or even causing heart attacks or killing people!
[edit on 7/7/2008 by Keyhole]

Those were my thoughts exactly when I read this.

I can't believe the government is seriously considering this. It really seems like it would do more harm than good in the long run (especially if terrorists can use it to their advantage, as others mentioned). I just can't imagine the public automatically accepting this without some form of protest...hopefully people will get it in their minds to actually rebel against this sort of thing if it happens in the future, though.

they are going about this the wrong way , you do not need stun bracelets on planes.

All you need to do to insure any planes safety is to make all passengers strip naked and wear hospital gowns that tie up at the back.

A frontal assualt is difficult whilst ya ass is hanging out.

See simple, cheap, and effective.

So they make us all get on the plane with the zap bracelets.

The terrorists simply rip theirs off so when they start taking over the plane and the cockpit hits the master zap switch, everybody gets zapped EXCEPT for the terrorists.

Wow, that will sure be helpful!!! To the terrorists.

How about a breath test for all the pilots (in particular, the ones at NWA) before they are allowed in the cockpit.

If they have alcohol on their breath, THEY get zapped.

Seriously, no way this is going to fly. The ACLU will be all over this and from time to time, they actually get a cause right.

Someone on this thread said that if this passes, America is lost.

Brother (sister?), we lost this country to the government a long time ago.

Thats why peaceful protest have become so ineffective (in most, not all, cases).

We'll need the national guard in all 50 states to take this country back.

We're a long way from that happening.

Sadly.

The USA is in desperate need of a revolution or short civil war, but I am getting off thread and that's a dangerous thing to discuss in public or in private.

So I surrender.

Think of the potential!

If we are to accept this, why not then force us to wear these bracelets when entering any government building, like the post office, city hall, etc? Or, far more valuable, money-wise and crowd-wise, a shopping mall. After all, there's far more collateral damage potential at a shopping mall. It'd be great! They could monitor your movement from store to store, and your purchases. If you're not a terrorist, or a shoplifter, or breaking any of the mall rules, there's no need to worry. Now, to help pay for this service, they could sell your shopping history and store preferences to third party vendors would could target your demographic more effectively. You might even get coupons! Hooray!!! I mean, who WOULDN'T trade their privacy and liberty for a 5% discount from your Five Favorite stores? And all the while you could shop and consume to your heart's content, knowing that you were free from some ululating terrorist.

Of course, the roads are pretty dangerous places too. What with all the speeders, stoplight-runners, tailgaters, drunk drivers, etc. There's no reason we shouldn't have to swipe our driver's license, thumb-print, or retinal scan in order to start up the car. Then an automatic GPS system will track where your car is going, along with everyone around you. Think of all the wonderful benefits. You'll be automatically reminded to get that inspection sticker, or to re-register your car, or that your car insurance lapsed, or that you're exceeding the speed limit, or are deviating from your normal driving patterns, and gently but firmly, correction of these things will be enforced. Perhaps your car will just fail to start if it isn't street-legal. Or if you accidentally go past that speed limit that's been posted, it'll slow your car down. When you get within radius of a stop sign, or stop light, the accelerator will be disabled until you've come to a full stop and/or the light turns green. If you get in a wreck, both cars will automatically transmit the claim to your insurance companies.

It's great! You won't even have to think about it anymore. After all, isn't this what advertisers have managed to sell us all on lately? The lack of a need to think, if you buy their product? And the best part is that it's free!

And for those nasty, no good hoodlum terrorists, and criminals, and those that fail to comply with the rules, there's the paralytic electric discharge that will render them harmlessly inert for several minutes while your implanted device contacts the authorities and alerts them to the bad guy's location.

Safety and Security, what more could you possibly ask for? After all, isn't protecting the children from terrorists what America is all about? Now stop worrying about all this civil liberties stuff and go buy yourself something nice. You deserve it!

[edit on 7/10/2008 by thelibra]

I don't think that malfunctioning or abuse is that big a problem. It's just the fact that all passengers would have to sit there tense and in fear because they've got an electric wristband on. Who's creating the terror now eh?

and also the fact that this would quickly spread to other places, like someone said before; banks, post offices, govt. buildings, bars, etc, etc

Heck, why stop with airline passengers wearing...as I see it this would be just a testing ground for the infinite uses these bracelets can be used.

Two words, people....LAW ENFORCEMENT....imagine no more need to use hand cuffs as restraints. Just tase an "offender"...slap a bracelet on their wrist, enter their information, which could be accessed for booking...leave it on them after booking and voila! Total Control.

Trust me...use on airlines is just a testing ground for DHS to further their agenda of control.

~Holly

[edit on 12-7-2008 by Holly N.R.A.]

In all honesty.............I agree, as long as they could guarantee no mistakes /malfunctions, is it really gonna harm people to slip one of these on at the start of their flight? If these had been in use on 9/11 it could have avoided a lot of un-necessary death, its not another method of control, its a bloody good idea in these days of terror threats.
And lets not forget the comedy value, terrorist gets up..."i am seizing this plane in the name of allaaaaaaargghhhhfizzpop".

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