soon they will have us all walking around with a number tattooed on our foreheads or till they start making solvent green....

I still can hardly believe that the government has a war against smoking in public places on the off chance someone might catch some second hand lung cancer (not to mention the idiotic war against marijuana) yet they get gung-ho over ideas like this which have an even better chance of causing serious injury or death to someone. That's one of my main beefs with the government, actually, they suffer from a serious lack of brains.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
I fear the US goverment more than I fear any terrorist. If I ran the show, I would mandate all citizens carry a side arm, and tell them that it's each citizens responsibility to make sure the US is safe.

And what you'd get is a million incompetent nincompoops shooting at their own shadows.

"That guy looked at me funny--he must be a terrorist!" *BANG*

"That girl is wearing a veil--I bet there's a bomb strapped to her waist!" *BANG*

"That guy's skin is a different color and his accent is weird!" *BANG*

As another posted earlier, the person with his hand on the buttion for these things has to power to activate them at a whim based on his "best judgment". Not that I think this is a good idea--if it happens I'll never fly commercial again--but if you're not willing to trust the judgment of a trained observer in using something like this, why would you trust the judgment of millions of untrained individuals with far more lethal weaponry at hand?

Like it or not, there are a lot of people in this country who, by reason of mental defect, poor motor skills, or just plain old crass stupidity, should not be allowed to own and/or use guns. Encouraging such people to carry all the time and use their "best judgment" to take the law into their own hands is sheer lunacy.

Spread the power evenly throughout the citizens, instead of awarding some organization power over everyone. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Once you have absolute power, you are a god, and everyone else is consumable item subjects, to do whatever you bid.

As a socialist I'm inclined to agree with this. However, I recognize the need for trained professionals for functions such as law enforcement. The problem arises when those professionals are not held to high enough standards by the civilian authorities and are not disciplined by their superiors. Checks and balances only work when those responsible for checking and maintaining the balance do their jobs properly according to the mandate of the People. It is the People who have abdicated their responsibility to demand higher standards, accountability and common sense.

Originally posted by Keyhole
Oh GREAT,

What is wrong with these people
[edit on 7/7/2008 by Keyhole]

LOL!!! i ask my self that question everyday.

its getting to that point now all i can do is just laugh.

what about the bracelet wearer carrying a simple 1/4 inch thick
and 12 inch wide band of nonconductive material such as a leather r rubber bracelet...

Simply put the innocuous protection between the security bracelet and ones skin and the stun bracelet is rendered ineffective.



Or hows about a pruning shears to cut the sukka off.. hey they allegedly stashed box cutters on aircraft before. so why not a bolt cutter or a shear or even one of the TV advertized , battery powered, wonder cutters...
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, there you have the bracelet cut in half and useless.

Originally posted by spines

It is this mindset which allowed for the sweeping loss of constitutional rights post-9/11.

I realize this is a potential hijack or deflection of this thread to ask the question - exactly what freedoms have you lost since 9/11?. But I guess it needs to be asked (ad nauseum) every time it comes up - because no one can ever name a freedom they've lost. They just keep repeating this sound bite as if that alone made it true. Political Correctness (PC) is costing you way more freedoms than the Patriot Act ever has, but none of you ever complains about those.

Granted, I will have to change my position if this bracelet thing ever passes, and stop flying for any purpose.

Originally posted by Shaker
I honestly can not imagine the majority of people going against this if it was put into place. Sure people might grumble a little bit, but then they'll just do what they're told and put it on just to board the plane.

Some agency wants to know what everyone is doing all the time and the majority of people roll over and take it.

It happens when people think, "I'm not doing anything wrong so what does it matter?"

I would wear the collar, or whatever, no because of what you have stated but because I would have to. Since I'm a frequent flier and have to get from point A to point B, I have no choice in the matter...

Right now I am in Lisbon Portugal, in a week or two will be in Petersburg, Russia, and Helsinki, Findand. In August I will be in Carliele, UK, then I will be going to Cambridge, Ontario, and finally home to Long Island, NY...
If they made me wear a collar how do you suggest I get to these places, swimming????

For me in is not a question of choice, or sheep mentality, it is a question of need and lack of any other options...

Originally posted by deadline527
So many things wrong here..

What about pregnant women?
What about elderly?
What about people with heart problems?
What about children?

I am sure a shock to a pregnant lady that immobilizes her for several minutes is quite safe to the unborn child. Surely electrical currant knows where to stop so it doesn't hurt the child. And as for the older population, just look at tasers, I could see a LOT of people having heart attacks and such after being shocked. Is this product safe for children? I mean, surely the misbehaving child deserves to be shocked unconscious.

??

What are these pregnant women and elderly people doing trying to hijack a plane anyway?

I dont agree with the idea at all, but really, do you think that it will be used against a snotty nosed kid, or some yappy pregnant lady?

Here's a better idea, it would sort the problem of plane hijackings all together. Rig the planes up with a remote detonation device, so that at the first signs of a hijacking, someone in the tower presses a button and the entire plane is blown out of the sky. Pregnant ladies, old people, snotty kids, terrorists, and hippies, no discrimination.

Come to think of it, if I were on a plane and suddenly realised there were 5 guys intent on flying the plane into a sky scraper, I might just prefer the bracelets...