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reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 09:03 AM by gazbom56
reply to post by Knights





C'm on you Whites!

Yeah but really we have been amazingly lucky throughout our history, especially against the French and Germans.

Gazbom.

[edit on 7-7-2008 by gazbom56]


reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 09:07 AM by Knights
reply to post by gazbom56



Got my membership, i'm all set!

They can keep 'Green Street', i'll stick to 'Football factory'!


reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 10:04 AM by gazbom56
reply to post by Shazam The Unbowed



We gave up our Empire in the name of democracy.

Your Mr Bush is destroying the world in the name of democracy.

Surely we did the fair and just deed!

Gazbom.



reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 10:39 AM by Knights
reply to post by Dermo



Please elaborate on what they teach you in Ireland that they don't over here. Im intrigued..


reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 10:41 AM by Wotan
reply to post by Dermo




When you say the British Empire, in what date period are you reffering to?

And being as you are from Ireland, I would think that you are a little biased.


reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 10:48 AM by gazbom56
reply to post by ZindoDoone



Yeah your right I have read it too, also the name England derives from Angel land!

Gazbom.



reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 10:55 AM by Dermo
Originally posted by Knights
reply to
post by Dermo



Please elaborate on what they teach you in Ireland that they don't over here. Im intrigued..


Im a little rusty but..

Starting around the 1300/1400's- when the English king changed religion, he tried to abolish catholicism in Ireland forcibly, Oliver Cromwell and a large army began to hang, behead and rape anyone who wouldn't convert. Mainly in the North east, East, middle and South East Kingdoms. he succeeded in wiping out around 500,000 people which was just under half the Irish population of the time...because of their religion.
This continued at a much lesser extent for approx 150 years etc..as the English royals changed religions for whatever reasons.
Fast forward to the mid 1700's, 1800's - the slaughter of suspected 'United Irishmen' and their families (i dont have an estimated death toll for this), the removal of all non potato crops for profit during the famine of the 1850's which helped the death toll of that period rise to almost 1,000,000 and emigration of almost 1,000,000
The hanging and murder of thousands of IRB and suspected IRB members in the late 1800's and killing of even more up until 1923.

Its understandable that this wouldn't be taught in English schools, Our schools don't teach about the IRA and how they achieved their goals for obvious reasons.


reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 11:02 AM by Wotan
Originally posted by Dermo
Originally posted by Knights
reply to
post by Dermo



Please elaborate on what they teach you in Ireland that they don't over here. Im intrigued..


Im a little rusty but..

Starting around the 1300/1400's- when the English king changed religion, he tried to abolish catholicism in Ireland forcibly, Oliver Cromwell and a large army began to hang, behead and rape anyone who wouldn't convert. Mainly in the North east, East, middle and South East Kingdoms. he succeeded in wiping out around 500,000 people which was just under half the Irish population of the time...because of their religion.
This continued at a much lesser extent for approx 150 years etc..as the English royals changed religions for whatever reasons.
Fast forward to the mid 1700's, 1800's - the slaughter of suspected 'United Irishmen' and their families (i dont have an estimated death toll for this), the removal of all non potato crops for profit during the famine of the 1850's which helped the death toll of that period rise to almost 1,000,000 and emigration of almost 1,000,000
The hanging and murder of thousands of IRB and suspected IRB members in the late 1800's and killing of even more up until 1923.

Its understandable that this wouldn't be taught in English schools, Our schools don't teach about the IRA and how they achieved their goals for obvious reasons.



They may not teach this nowadays, but I wouldnt know as I dont have children. But I was certainly taught about what happened in Ireland when I was at school.

You cannot compare the death toll of a nation that has existed for centuries to one (the USA) that has only just come out of its nappies (diapers) - no offence meant by that by the way - just being metaphorical historically speaking.

You cannot compare history of nations when some span many centuries to ones that have only existed a few years.

[edit on 7/7/08 by Wotan]


reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 11:02 AM by gazbom56
reply to post by Shazam The Unbowed



Remember Napoleon. “Fifteen million [Britons] must give way to 40 millions,” Napoleon uttered in frustration. He assembled a massive fleet of transports and an army of 100,000 soldiers at Boulogne. Over 100,000 troops were readied elsewhere. “Let us be masters of the Channel for six hours and we are masters of the world,” he declared. But the date of invasion was delayed by the death of the admiral chosen to lead it, postponing departure just enough so that on Oct. 21, 1805, Nelson gained his astounding naval victory at Trafalgar against staggering odds—utterly shattering Napoleon’s plans for invasion.

“The Force Which Is Above Man”

Remember Waterloo. Author Victor Hugo observed that “the shadow of a mighty right hand is cast over Waterloo; it is the day of destiny, and the force which is above man produced that day.” “If it had not rained the night between the 17th and 18th of June,” noted Hugo, “the future of Europe would have been changed.” A little rain, during a time when rain was not expected, and an empire was overthrown.

Gazbom.


reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 11:06 AM by gazbom56
St. Crispen's Day Speech
William Shakespeare, 1599
Enter the KING
WESTMORELAND. O that we now had here
But one ten thousand of those men in England
That do no work to-day!

KING. What's he that wishes so?
My cousin Westmoreland? No, my fair cousin;
If we are mark'd to die, we are enow
To do our country loss; and if to live,
The fewer men, the greater share of honour.
God's will! I pray thee, wish not one man more.
By Jove, I am not covetous for gold,
Nor care I who doth feed upon my cost;
It yearns me not if men my garments wear;
Such outward things dwell not in my desires.
But if it be a sin to covet honour,
I am the most offending soul alive.
No, faith, my coz, wish not a man from England.
God's peace! I would not lose so great an honour
As one man more methinks would share from me
For the best hope I have. O, do not wish one more!
Rather proclaim it, Westmoreland, through my host,
That he which hath no stomach to this fight,
Let him depart; his passport shall be made,
And crowns for convoy put into his purse;
We would not die in that man's company
That fears his fellowship to die with us.
This day is call'd the feast of Crispian.
He that outlives this day, and comes safe home,
Will stand a tip-toe when this day is nam'd,
And rouse him at the name of Crispian.
He that shall live this day, and see old age,
Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbours,
And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian.'
Then will he strip his sleeve and show his scars,
And say 'These wounds I had on Crispian's day.'
Old men forget; yet all shall be forgot,
But he'll remember, with advantages,
What feats he did that day. Then shall our names,
Familiar in his mouth as household words-
Harry the King, Bedford and Exeter,
Warwick and Talbot, Salisbury and Gloucester-
Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be remembered-
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now-a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day.
Gazbom.
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