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Something has changed, timeline?

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posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:18 PM
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This is a little model of the MWI that is slightly modified to my own interpretation. I'm at work now and don't have my 3D modelling software here so it isn't a great representation but is close enough.

In the MWI they posit that time branches like a tree or river and that causes "new" world-lines to be created. I don't think that is how it really works. At the layer of reality below the quantum there is no time as we know it from our everyday phenomenal existence. I posit that the multi-verse is extant with multiple world-lines. No need for branching. Our conscious awareness percieves one world-line at a time yet because we are a waveform we are intimately entangled to the other world-lines. So we have dreams that we die by falling off a cliff and then we wake up in a cold sweat and think, "gosh, I just died in that dream by falling off a cliff!"; perhaps you did and you woke up in this world-line. The "deja vu" that other people experience is just that person on another world-line. In quantum mechanics each world-line can move faster or slower than adjacent world-lines. The you in an adjacent world-line has already cooked an asian beef-broccoli meal and then in this world-line you finally get around to it. And because at a lower layer of reality you are unconsciously tied to the you in the faster moving world-line your unconscious awareness "remembers" that "you" have done this before. With the divergence being that the person who didn't remember it wasn't there in the other world-line.






posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:19 PM
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I have had this feeling also recently but it felt positive.
If I watch the news or go get gas, I see that things are the same but I had a hopeful feeling.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:26 PM
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The following quote is from the article you posted. It touched a nerve with me for some reason.

"To more accurately rephrase what is said above, a time traveler can only interact in a causal, physical, tangible manner with pasts that inevitably evolve into the future from which the time traveler came. Alternately, we in the present can only interact in a causal manner with time travelers from the very future we are currently vectoring towards."

Maybe the reason I feel demotivated and don't feel I have any control over things is because the changes I feel have been made around us will lead to a future which has already been designed.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:30 PM
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"To more accurately rephrase what is said above, a time traveler can only interact in a causal, physical, tangible manner with pasts that inevitably evolve into the future from which the time traveler came.


Not if s/he jumps "sideways".
A parallel timeline does not imply "inevitabilities" of any kind.
Not in my opinion, anyway.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:31 PM
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You have no idea how I can equate to what you have just said. I too am making preparations as best I can to get out of the UK, but am finding all my plans are stifled. This reinforces my feelings of uselessness because I am hindered from completing my goals at every turn.

What if the future has now been preordained and with have simply missed the boat. As a generally upbeat and positive personality, I am finding these new feelings really demoralising.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:33 PM
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... and likewise I agree with your feeling of "missing the boat". I'm wondering if I'm just too last and now I have to ride the storm. I do think I should have gone 6 months ago.

I'm off to bed now but this is fascinating.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:34 PM
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Yeah, I would usually agree with you, but what if we are all time travellers. What if the planet has changed timelines and we are now all set on one course to an inevitable future???



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:38 PM
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That's fascinating. Great work with the diagram. Maybe we already have our explanation for Deja Vu, which I figured we always have. People are too ignorant to look into it, or anything that could lead to a huge discovery. They'd rather go buy a Big Mac and watch American Idol.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:44 PM
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Originally posted by MrBacon
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Yeah, I would usually agree with you, but what if we are all time travellers. What if the planet has changed timelines and we are now all set on one course to an inevitable future???


A physical time-traveller would not transit on their primary world-line; no paradoxes. They would end up in an adjacent world-line. And they would not be able to travel back to their original primary world-line. The planet and everything else in creation exists in multiple world-lines. And yes all outcomes are inevitable and there is no way to prevent certain outcomes. Even choices we make as individuals only effect certain specific personal outcomes.

-Euclid



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:47 PM
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Originally posted by MrBacon
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Yeah, I would usually agree with you, but what if we are all time travellers. What if the planet has changed timelines and we are now all set on one course to an inevitable future???


"Sideway" time travel IS time travel.

In fact, I am pretty sure that's what most of the people here have been talking about: intermingling of different timelines.

And, by definition, there is no "inevitable" timeline.
Something may be "fated" in one timeline - but it's not the ONLY timeline.

Furthermore, there is the possibility that people do not inhabit the same "global" timelines even if they SEEM to.

But more on that some other time...



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by DocEmrick
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That's fascinating. Great work with the diagram. Maybe we already have our explanation for Deja Vu, which I figured we always have. People are too ignorant to look into it, or anything that could lead to a huge discovery. They'd rather go buy a Big Mac and watch American Idol.



Thanks.

I agree most people and most scientist are specialist not generalist.

Scientist make great discoveries but because their entire focus is directed to one and only one specific area of research they seldom take the necessary "step backward" to view their data in relation/correlation/interactions to other areas of science or philosophy.

Eventually, via the LHC research, my little diagram will have the math to go along with it. I'm a philosopher and a generalist not a physicist.

-Euclid

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posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by Vanitas

Originally posted by MrBacon
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Yeah, I would usually agree with you, but what if we are all time travellers. What if the planet has changed timelines and we are now all set on one course to an inevitable future???


"Sideway" time travel IS time travel.

In fact, I am pretty sure that's what most of the people here have been talking about: intermingling of different timelines.

And, by definition, there is no "inevitable" timeline.
Something may be "fated" in one timeline - but it's not the ONLY timeline.

Furthermore, there is the possibility that people do not inhabit the same "global" timelines even if they SEEM to.

But more on that some other time...



You are correct and that is why in my little diagram the "consciousness dots" do not exist on all world-lines. Be that as it may, the world-line that you are consciously aware of now is the only one that is of any phenomenal importance and you will experience the events within your primary world-line whether or not other world-lines collapse into this world-line; and whether or not some other fate occurs on an adjacent world-line. What ever happens on your primary world-line is "inevitable".

In a general sense we are time travelling only because our conscious awareness is transiting in an apparent forward direction. We will continue to remain completely oblivious to the events on other world-lines, excepting certain instances of deja vu, and certain cognitive anomalies that occur at the preconscious and unconscious facaulties of our individual psyches.

-Euclid

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[edit on 8-7-2008 by euclid]



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by MrBacon
Lack of energy and no interest or motivation in anything is exactly how I feel. This is not a good feeling, I don't see anything positive in this particular feeling.

I'd like to know if posters feel I am being too negative??? I am generally a really positive and successful person, but right now I am increasingly feeling that everything is out of my control. It's like the world is being changed on shaped without our input.

I have acknowledged that maybe impending doom is too strong an expression. However, I would really like to know whether most people participating in this thread feel that this change we are feeling is a good thing or a bad one.



well, when i had my feeling it felt good, not bad. it felt like i was revitilised, i was no longer tired and fed up which is how i've felt for a few years, nothing has changed really in my life to account for the sudden change in outlook and the news storys get worse by the day. but i felt like a new person with reason to be hopeful, because something had changed.

what the feeling was i don't know but it was as though i was getting a sense that i was being told not to worry, that there was reason to be hopeful. at the time i thought it was just me and put it down to vivid dreams, i had wondered if my soul had gone to another place(the vivid dreams) and in the process was clensed, explaining why i felt different when i woke up, untill i saw this thread. now i realise i may well of felt the same as others here.

it certainly did'nt feel bad and i did'nt have a bad feeling for the future. but wether this feeling had anything to do with what the future holds i have no idea what so ever, it was simply a sense of something changing for the better.

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remember the feeling i had was a sense that something had changed for the better(did others feel it as i describe?) that dos'nt mean there will not be a rough ride ahead if it was to do with the future. just maybe not as rough as what it was going to be.


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posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:40 PM
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I KNOW I remember that Billy Graham died a while back...I was completely unaware that he is still alive until I just looked it up. Weird.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:43 PM
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No, Billy Graham did die.
I clearly recall that.
Where did you look?



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:45 PM
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I just looked Wikipedia and skimmed through it...under his name it had his birthdate but nothing about death. I'll have to search more I suppose, because I would have bet my life on it that he died.

Edit: I have looked at multiple sites and I see nothing about his death anywhere..as far as I can tell he is still alive and 89 years old.

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[edit on 8-7-2008 by Alexander_Supertramp]



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:52 PM
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OK...wierd!!!! I can not find proof of him dying. I googled it. It appears his wife died. Very, very strange. I guess Billy is still kicking.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:54 PM
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The day the OP posted this, I experienced something strange upon waking up. I live in Escondido, Ca and it could be rolling blackouts or something similar, but I had to be at work at 8am. My clock said 8am. I jumped out of bed, started getting ready, (my alarms didnt go off.) and looked at my phone. It said 7:30am. Then, I went downstairs, looked at a few more clocks, and one said 530am, one had a weird symbol on the lcd screen, and the other was the correct time (730am.) It was so unexpected, that this post made me remember what had happened, and made me think a little harder about it. Things are getting rather strange.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:57 PM
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I completely agree, weird! I've never been so sure of something that was so apparently wrong before. I even remember his funeral being massive and shown on CNN, with lots of people crying and talking about how well he lived his life. I hope I just have a false memory of someone else's funeral, but that is still strange.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:00 PM
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Yesterday evening I wanted to make sure I was in time to get a certain thing froma store that is only open until 7 p.m., so I looked at my PC clock, and it said 18:03. "Great!" I thought, almost an hour, and the store is really close.
So I decided to visit a website before I went out, but just in case, I looked at the clock again. It said 19:06.

Not a MINUTE had passed, so it doesn't make sense anyway.
My visual acuity is quite good. I have no troubles with my PC clock.

??!




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