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Who is to Blame for the Sorry State of the USA?

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posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 01:56 AM
reply to post by ADVISOR

Truly awesome!

I am very honored to see patriots here.

I feel the same way about my country, and wish you the best in the time to come.

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 01:59 AM

Originally posted by ignaciobeltran

I doubt such a weak country would be a threat to the all mighty USA. You get foes gallore in no time by acting in such a arrogant way.

[edit on 7/7/2008 by ignaciobeltran]

That's because you've lost your way.

America is now the police of the world, which is not the way it began.

It began with a revolutionary idea.

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 02:18 AM
- Those who sought to undermine the values which contributed to the freedom and prosperity in this country.

- Those who sought to diminish the value and usefulness of public education.

- Those who promote distractions when serious issues are at hand.

- Those whose greed and wealth exceeds what a person can reasonably be expected to ever need.

- Those with the pathological addiction to power and control.

- Those whose allegiance is to the acquisition of power at any cost.

- Those who place no value on human lives other than what they can be used for.

- Those who are dispossessed of the capacity to understand love, either to give it, and doomed never to receive it. They spend life in a nightmare of misunderstanding, and waste their entire lives believing in a fulfillment that never comes.

- Those who cannot find contentment in what they have. They always want more. If they were to acquire the world, they would demand the Earth + 5%.

- Those who continuously labor under the delusion that physical things are the only things that are real.

- Those who cannot afford to allow others freedom, open minds, safety, prosperity, or peace because it threatens their control over them.

- Those who insist on ignorance, and will not acknowledge or do anything about the obvious ills that abound in this world.

- Those too possessed of cowardice and immaturity to take responsibility for their part of the world.

[edit on 7-7-2008 by ianr5741]

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 02:19 AM
reply to post by ignaciobeltran

It's how I was brought up, the enviornment of my upbringing did it. Seeing this country change, and recalling my elders saying how they have seen it change. That only causes me to become more admantant, unwavering in my beliefs. Becuase I know how this country is supposed to be, our Founding Fathers set it up so we would always have a country were the people made the decision.

Only, we the people have failed them...

Our mistake was by getting distracted and caught up in the ignorance brought on by commercialism. We dropped the ball, and it is not in our court any more. So now the price is being paid, and the the debt is burying us.

The giant is falling and unless we catch our balance, it is going t be a long way down.

I see one problem though, not enough people remember how to make that difference. Too many have forgotten it is "we the people", not them the feds or corps.

"When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty."
Thomas Jefferson

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 02:39 AM
reply to post by ADVISOR

Courtesy of our very own Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

Emphasis mine.

How many will stand and be counted amongst the TRUE patriots that exist?

I'd wager a good 4 out of 10, merely because the rest now fear their government. What they forget is that THEY are the government, not those we elect. It is a Republic after all.

Furiously looking for a solution,

[Edited for clarity.]

[edit on 7-7-2008 by TheBorg]

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 02:46 AM
reply to post by ADVISOR

I agree with you. It´s nice to find someone who feels that way for his country. I have many friends in the US, but they whine and rant and offer no solutions. They expect one candidate to solve all the problems.

Mc Cain went to pray to the Virgin of Guadalupe in Mexico City last week. I doubt very much he is a Catholic (I am not), but he needs the votes of those Mexican-Americans living in the US and those Americans living in Mexico. He is trying to sell his Iniciativa Merida and Plan Mexico to Mexicans. A Police-State and Patriot Law for Mexico, which Bush wants implemented in Mexico.

I think McCain is the official candidate of TPTB since he came to Mexico to sell Bush´s Plan for Mexico in the furthering of his plans to form a North American Union. I don´t know how to embed.

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 02:51 AM
reply to post by TheBorg

I guess I will be one of the few that will fight against the Northamerican Union. I am not willing to surrender my sovereigty to Bushco and friends. I hope you neither.

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:05 AM
reply to post by TheBorg

Yes, exactly, those words have a very serious meaning, one that was meant to keep a government in check should it ever get out of the peoples hands.

In doing so lays the problem though, in how does one determine when enough is enough. How much further will the people be pushed into compliance with what they disagree?

One last item before I call it a night, a post from my early days here on ATS. Just one of many like it, I'll have to compile a list of all the threads when such material was more frequent.

Check out the post date, and the date I joined in the below link;

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:18 AM
Truth be told there are two groups of people to blame#1. the people that have been in charge over the past few years and #2. the people of america, for not doing anything to stop the people in charge from destroying everything

[edit on 7-7-2008 by AgnosticX]

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 03:28 AM

Originally posted by jetxnet
It's called Obama mainia Igna.

Obama will fix all our problems

Ok, bigger government with more & more controls that benefit only the government & their corporate allies. Actually, a smaller government that's limited by the Constitution is the biggest favor we can do for our nation...Yes, I mean "we" as in We The People are responsible & can't rely upon any one person to do it all for us.

Originally posted by jetxnet
I don't quite get that, but I never question Obama the great one.

We should always question our government, no matter what Office they hold...They are our public servants & must be perfoming their jobs as such.

IMO, it's the fault of the People for letting the Big Corps bribe our government out from under us...Without the public ever truly realizing that this was what really happened, of course. I don't think an aware public would have let it happen.

The only way to get the Peoples' Government back is for the People to take it back...It is the civic duty of Americans to keep our government in line with the Constitution, after all. Think of the People being the "boss," the Constitution as the "contract of employment" & the State & Federal Governments as the "employees." Hey, all of the government Officers must swear/affirm a legally-binding Oath of Office, so the Constitution is a legally-binding contract!

And this is not just my own opinion either:
"All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent."--Thomas Jefferson

"Educate and inform the whole mass of the people... They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty."--Thomas Jefferson

[edit on 7-7-2008 by MidnightDStroyer]

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 09:13 AM
reply to post by TheBorg

As things unravel, there will be more people willing to defend their country.

Do not despair. The time for PATRIOTS is coming. If not their love of the country, the need will move people.


posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 09:26 AM
Who's to blame

the assurance of the Us's future/Economy/high price of oil= The federal goverment for not barely regulating anything

Deficit= the federal government for failing to break even with the number of imports and exports.

Death of democracy= the American people themselves. They gave up we gave up our freedoms to fight terrorism

the creation of intelligence= the president for wanting to be like his father and invade Iraq.

climate change= CO2 and dirty politicians and energy companies

I am only 16 yrs old but I do hope that my generation will actually address these issues and find ways that truly work for the long-term, not just a short term stint.

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 09:41 AM
reply to post by ADVISOR

Originally posted by ADVISOR
I'm not talking about the video game, this is the real deal.

There are some things that are worth giving for,
and the cause we have chosen is such.
If you give any less than necessary,
All that is not given is lost.

"The mission of the Sons of Liberty is to oppose governmental intrusion on the lives of the American people, so that we are free to enjoy our God-given natural rights, which include life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Introduction to Common Sense

These lessons can be found to contain much of value, especially in these times. I hope those of you who didn't know find this benificial.

The Founding

True Sons

Let it be said, those of us who knew, tried.

Great post!

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 09:43 AM

Originally posted by slackerwire
We, the American people bear full responsibility for the current, and future state of the nation.

It is we, the people who have become complacent, who have come to let government control us instead of us controlling them.

It is We, the American people who have allowed this corrupt, criminal government to advance to its current stage. It is we, the American people who have decided American Idol, sports, and each and every other diversion are more important than the thing that makes us unique: Freedom.

It will be once again up to We, the American people to correct this problem. My only fear is the will to do it is no longer there.

couldn't have said it better myself. this is exactly the problem!

to place blame on others is to take control of your life out of your hands. most ppl trust what they are taught and told and are too lazy to get out and do the work to find out what this country was meant to be and what the principles and policies are concerning us as laid out by the men who fought to make this country great.

and pretty much the "fear that ppl no longer have the will" is a very warranted fear. that IS my only fear. "being aware/ awake" isn't the greatest place to be when you realize that others are not only asleep, but in a coma.

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 10:17 AM
Who is to blame? Our lazy, satiated citizenry, that's who. In any other country, Bush stealing an election would have resulted in rioting and Bush being ousted. Here it results in changing the channel.

In any other country, the 9/11 attacks not being independently investigated with the smallest result being people getting fired--would have resulted in rioting and Bush being ousted. Here it results in buying an American flag and then changing the channel.

In any other country, all of the criminal acts of this presidency would have resulted in his ousting...Here we reelect him and then change the channel. Or if you like, he steals the election AGAIN and we change the channel.

See, in America, as long as Jon Stuart & Stephen Colbert are around to parody everything, we feel better about sliding into hell. As long as we're smart enough to get the joke, we don't mind at all, really.

Now, how did the barbarians figure out they could get away with all of this crime and Constitutional deconstruction in the first place? Simple: They tested the waters with the Iran/Contra scandal. Americans were interested for all of five seconds, mainly because Oliver North was a handsome man and nothing more.

Get this through your heads, Rest of World: Americans DO NOT CARE. If we did, we'd have done something about it. The barbarians are just a symptom of the larger problem, which is, pardon the pun, U.S.

[edit on 7-7-2008 by Jeremy_Vaeni]

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 10:51 AM
I'm amazed to read that so many of you are willing to accept this person's piss-poor assessment of our country so meekly. Who's talking here? A person whose own country encourages it's citizens to sneak over the borders, break our laws, and take advantage of the benefits of our country while breaking our laws with impunity.

And you're all ready to beat your breasts and weep.:shk: Patriots. Pfffttt.

ignaciobeltran, I suggest you turn your efforts toward fixing the problems in your own corrupt, supermarket- for- human- and- drug- smuggling country before you criticize the hand that feeds a large percentage of your countrymen.

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 11:08 AM
reply to post by ignaciobeltran

Who is to Blame for the Sorry State of the USA?

the government/federal reserve/oil companies/bankers

we need NESARA or something like it asap

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 11:41 AM
to the thread starter...Dont worry we wil;l be just fine!!and when your country has a catastraphy we will be there to feed you cloth you and help you rebuild, sorry to sound that way but every country has problems its just everybody loves it when the USA has them

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 11:45 AM
It's real simple:

- American greed and ego. We have to be better, faster and bigger. I think the concept of moderation is completely lost in America.

- We don't use our right to vote as a weapon. We all vote; and then we all b-tch and moan when our candidate is not elected. Then we say, "Don't blame me; I voted for the other person."

I think you can look at every problem facing America today and find some way in which those two things are linked together as a cause. What's sad is that people like me and my wife who are college educated, have savings, no revolving debt, pretty good salaries and a pretty sizable inheritance are the ones making these statements.

Hell, our family trust owns a lot of XOM -- I should be endorsing American greed instead of chastising it. It will be our undoing.

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 11:49 AM
wow i hope this isnt out of line. well you say we are in a sorry state.and your from mexico!!!
i live in arizona and have lived in the southwest most my life and im sorry but mexico is a big reason for some problems in the USA!!!drugs social security, over population, gangs, violence, hmmmmmmmmm what else..


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