Population Control is Logical and Needed

Nature alwasy found a way to balance things out, no matter what.
With dinosaurs, it was a meteor, with other pre-historic beasts, it was the ice age, I'm sure something will come along to even things out, no need for humans to intervene and throw other people's right away.

Well, Nature already tried a few things. For example, she blessed us with AIDS, which has been pretty effective knocking off people in Africa and South America who - due to a stupid religion or some other form of ignorance - don't use condoms. Unfortunately, mankind always thinks it knows better and our idiot leaders are pouring money down the drain trying to intervene.

What's so bad, I say, about a virus that efficiently cuts down junkies, deviants, backward foreigners and the poor? Especially one that pases through to their offspring?

[edit on 7-7-2008 by EverythingYouDespise]

reply to post by Antigonish

We is not everyone it is certainly not us. We in your case describes the powerful verses the desenfranchised. Environmentalist/psuedo scientists are the modern witch burners. At the root of the so called overpopulation problem is pure greed. In this case not for paper money but for pristine veiws uncluttered by noisy crowds. It's the same dream as having a deserted island all to yourself. It is beautiful until the reality sets in that the fewer people there are on earth the less chance that the human race has of survival. This is compounded by the fact that most of those (not you of course) who support population control want only Barbie Dolls to have a liscense to procreate.

The odds for life are not good to begin with. At any moment all life on this planet could be wiped out by an asteroid. It is only through the benevolence of a higher power that life exists at all. It is the height of ingratitude to throw away something wonderful which you can not create. People who dream of population control should be careful what they wish for.


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Sure god/nature created Hitler . Look at the great job he did . You guys seems to have a common goal . He just happen to go after one race at a time .

I mean really . When does the "But our race is more useful" "There should be more of us"
"We deserve to have more kids than you"
Ect start ?
Do you really want to be the "figure" that takes on all these things? Neither does anyone else.

Personally i would like to see religious/stupid people sterilized. Is my argument going to be overlooked ? If so why?

Even tho i agree that something needs to be done . It wont . China is the only place i know of that has taken steps to safegaurd against MORE over population . Look at how great that is going .

Anything related to "PC" is going to be related to these horrible things .
Unless we can sterilize the stupid . Were doomed.


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Originally posted by eradown


The odds for life are not good to begin with. At any moment all life in this planet could be wiped out by asteroid.

true

Originally posted by eradownIt is only through the benevolence of a higher power that life exists at all.

you have some proof of this?



they say that the US population is slowing down. well, that is fine and dandy but i wonder just who has the bigger "effective footprint", a US citizen who consumes 100x what he/she should or a citizen from kenya born 10'th child who's on the brink of starvation.

which one taxes the environment more?

Originally posted by eradown
reply to post by Antigonish

 

We is not everyone it is certainly not us. We in your case describes the powerful verses the desenfranchised. Environmentalist/psuedo scientists are the modern witch burners. At the root of the so called overpopulation problem is pure greed. In this case not for paper money but for pristine veiws uncluttered by noisy crowds. It's the same dream as having a deserted island all to yourself. It is beautiful until the reality sets in that the fewer people there are on earth the less chance that the human race has of survival. This is compounded by the fact that most of those (not you of course) who support population control want only Barbie Dolls to have a liscense to procreate.

The odds for life are not good to begin with. At any moment all life on this planet could be wiped out by an asteroid. It is only through the benevolence of a higher power that life exists at all. It is the height of ingratitude to throw away something wonderful which you can not create. People who dream of population control should be careful what they wish for.


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Completely agree with you, which is why I usually despise the ones that say "eugencis is the way!" That's why I always say "nope, no need to worry, if there's a problem, nature always seems to find a way, and always has" I never liked "Barbie doll" women anyway, too incredibly fake and materialistic. Give me a woman with a brain, a sense of humor and a persoality any day.

reply to post by lostcoyote
I refuse to debate with athiests about God. Their logic is unimpressive when stacked against eons of testimony by those who experienced him first hand.

Population control for everyone is bogus. It is a few eggheads who are paid way to much money to say things which the ruling class does not have the courage to say with good reason. Most people do not waste that many resourses in their ridiculously short lives.

In truth ,though, the people who rant for population control are a little right but for the wrong reasons. There is a need for population control among the high and mighty. The greed and arrogance of a tiny selfindulgent group must always be kept in check. I am not talking about average American Joe six pack either. Fortunately merciless ruling elites kill each other ruthlessly when their numbers grow too large. There has been way to much peace between elitists for many years. I can't wait for them to be at each others throats again.They really should see which of them is most fit to survive. They need to consolodate their power. There can be only one!



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reply to post by EverythingYouDespise


AIDS was created in a laboratory by a scientist.

Talk about colonizing other planets or the moon? How about being realistic?
The Earth is at present overpopulated. Those miles and miles of nothing out West are not fit places to live. Again you are being unrealistic. Don’t believe me – go try it. Let me know how you make out.

How does anyone figure that everyone has a “right” to reproduce?
Exactly why should people with heritable defects be allowed to reproduce?
Passing on defects should be regarded as child abuse.
Why should mental defectives be allowed to reproduce?
Why should the poor who cannot afford to raise a child be allowed to reproduce?
This is just another way to force others to pay for its upbringing – and there go your precious rights to enjoy the fruit of your labors.

What is so great about “being here”. What if you were never born? Would you know? Would you care?

Why do you who want 12 billion people in the world only talk about food?
How about waste management? How about disposing of the 3 pounds of so bodily waste produced by each of those 12 billion people? We can’t even dispose of what we have now. This is part of why ALL of our waterways are polluted. Septic tanks in areas that use them are contaminated the private water wells in the area. Sewage plant cannot handle all the waste that they receive and the overage is let out into the oceans and rivers.

Come on folks – get real. Think in terms of mountains of human feces. Tell me what do you plan on doing with it?

It seems that the problem with allowing the human population to just expand until disease/war/famine sort it out ignores a deeper problem. We have such a grip on this planet that our excesses are destroying beautiful animal species, as well as the more commercially interesting bacterium that are being deprived from our pharmaceuticals by increasingly destroying natural habitat for humans. It seems to me that we need to decide between destroying the rest of the species on the planet and behaving with some human responsibility. No animal in history has come close to the position that we have, and if we do not control our population, we are failing our duties to the planet that spawned us amongst other life forms.

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Originally posted by redled
It seems that the problem with allowing the human population to just expand until disease/war/famine sort it out ignores a deeper problem. We have such a grip on this planet that our excesses are destroying beautiful animal species, as well as the more commercially interesting bacterium that are being deprived from our pharmaceuticals by increasingly destroying natural habitat for humans.

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You believe this because an environmentalist told you this. The concerns of environmentalists seem to dove tail in the United States with big bussiness. It is not uncommon for environmentalists to move in on area have it declared a protected zone which forces people to sell the land at below market rates to the government and then once it is owned by the government it is sold to private developers.

Get real people. If you check out the people who support phony socialist evironmentalist scams, you find out they are the same people running the big companies. Many of them come from the same families and they went to the same schools. Dig a little further and you discover that they are all racists to the bone. They do not support population control because they want to save a rare bacteria ; they support population control because think people who are not like themselves deserve to die.

I am not worried because the Mexicans are not and will not be drinking this poisoned coolaid. If the people responsible for this depopulation agenda do not stop they will be very rudely sent back to where they came from by Hispanics. The American hemisphere will not be repopulated by there kind ever.



[edit on 7-7-2008 by eradown]

Originally posted by eradown

Originally posted by redled
It seems that the problem with allowing the human population to just expand until disease/war/famine sort it out ignores a deeper problem. We have such a grip on this planet that our excesses are destroying beautiful animal species, as well as the more commercially interesting bacterium that are being deprived from our pharmaceuticals by increasingly destroying natural habitat for humans.

[edit on 7-7-2008 by redled]

You believe this because an environmentalist told you this. The concerns of environmentalists seem to dove tail in the United States with big bussiness.


[edit on 7-7-2008 by eradown]

lol, I am the environmentalist that told me this. I'm not going to take you out on Penecillin (because I can't even spell it), rather big business. I suspect you believe that Exxon-Mobil when they say they are being advanced by compressing gas (it's 'liquified technology') that they are doing something for the environment. They are not, and people with increasing information work out which companies are not. I hate environmental dove tailing, but I don't use it as an argument against this planet.

Originally posted by Question
Nature alwasy found a way to balance things out, no matter what.
With dinosaurs, it was a meteor, with other pre-historic beasts, it was the ice age, I'm sure something will come along to even things out, no need for humans to intervene and throw other people's right away.

Yes, but wouldn't it be nice if we could kerb the problem in advance so that some of the human race can survive, rather than Mother Nature having to wipe us all out like the dinosaurs?

To those people claiming that "there's plenty of land left":

- Where do you think the oxygen to support 18 billion people is going to come from when all those forests have been cut down and all that vegetation drowned in concrete?
- Where will wildlife thrive? Where will the vital food chain be preserved?
- Can food be grown on that land? If not, how will the world's existing arable land supply those extra billions of people with food?
- Where are the cattle who provide meat going to graze?
- Where are the bees going to pollenate, undisturbed?
- What about all the extra billions of tonnes of waste and pollution produced? More landfill? Where?

As I try to argue so often, it's not a simple case of filling up all the empty space with people. Nature doesn't work that way. You can't literally crowd every square mile on the planet with people because it takes an enormous amount of relatively untouched land to support - not only the human race, but the world's wildlife.

reply to post by EverythingYouDespise

It's a shame I have to say this, because I love your avatar , but it's posts like this that completely discredit the whole over-population cause. You appear to be a fairly proud and open racist, and if that's not the case, you might want to rethink how you word your posts. People who believe the world population needs to be kept in check are NOT all negative, racist, sadistic, apocalyptic, hateful souls. Myself, the OP, and some others in the thread are merely facing up to reality and making unpopular suggestions for the sake of a brighter future for our sons and daughters.

Originally posted by mullet35
there is already population control in this world its called the united states government by way of straight out war or by undermining governments around the world causing unrest and the deaths of thousands of people

Yes, all the problems for the world are because of the USA
And if you are Australian, then you are even stupider then I thought because, guess what, you have fought side by side with the USA and Briton and every major conflict of the last 100 years (and that includes invading Iraq)...

So you are as responsible as the USA. Nice logic though

reply to post by Cythraul


Great post and quote.

I do, however, think that humans are a virus and always where. We can, however, be a "controlled disease" or a global Pandemic that will eventually destroy all ecosystems on the planet...

Society always finds a way out, although it is rarely pretty or present. In homage to your quote I will call it the "Ax Solution":
-overpopulation brings mass unemployment, brings starvation and desperation, brings a dictator into power, brings "forced population control", threw war or extermination of certain parts of a society, brings equilibrium...

This process as repeated itself throwout History and will continue to repeat itself...

reply to post by lostcoyote


"they say that the US population is slowing down. well, that is fine and dandy but i wonder just who has the bigger "effective footprint", a US citizen who consumes 100x what he/she should or a citizen from kenya born 10'th child who's on the brink of starvation."

In fact that is just eco stupidity talk...
A US citizen consumes 100X, doubt the figure is that high but who cares, but produces 100X as much. So, in the correlation between what is produced and what is consumed a US, or Western European, citizen has in fact a smaller footprint then some African or Asian that can hardly feed himself?

May I remind you, as I have stated before, that the US is the largest exporter of food in the world. So clearly a US citizen produces far more then he consumes....

reply to post by EverythingYouDespise


You know i keep seeing your posts and keep thinking you say the most outrageous thing you can to get a response, must find it pleasing. I wish you woudln't post in my threads because being associated with you is not something i enjoy, so i publicly want to seperate myself from your racist and bigoted views.

reply to post by Cythraul

Originally posted by Cythraul
Can food be grown on that land? If not, how will the world's existing arable land supply those extra billions of people with food?

Nice to see someone employing the logical arguement. Also nice to see someone wanting to stop the problem from happening rather than see mass die offs of the human race. A good deal of suffering could be avoided if we have the courage to address the issue instead of skirting around it. Otherwise mother nature will correct it herself, and she's never kind about it.

Warning, arrogant self quote approaching

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Either we achieve an eqaulibrium we make ourselves or it happens naturally and people starve to death.

That is my guiding star for anyone who is confused about my motives. I'm sick of being called a eugenicist, being told i'm being selfish or some other truly incorrect label. Before you start labelling people with such things, think it through and listen to their arguement. If you don't like my arguement then fine, but please don't distort my motives.

I'm not calling for selective breeding, i'm not calling for an H.G.Wells world of the higher and lower peoples, and i'm certainly not calling for the selection of birth based on race or religion!


[edit on 8-7-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by Izarith

When I get looked down at I only feel terrible if I did something wrong. If I did nothing wrong then I just look up at them and say “Wow your tallllll”.

# off.



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