Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
I'm someone who believes in freedom, who doesn't like ID cards and being forced to hand over my biometrics and yet i can see that population control will be needed eventually.

* North America, Western Europe ans Australia are, if anything, underpopulated. All that is required is a tougher border control, in the USA southern borders and southern coast line, in the South and East of Europe and in Australia; along with tougher policies on illegals and their rapid repatriation.

I see no need, other the Government Control, for you to be required to have a Federal ID card or any other Federal Document.
In fact North America is the biggest exporter of food in the world so...


The earth only has so much land space, we also need to leave some alone to allow natural cycles to continue. Without these natural cycles the ecosystem would die and start all over once we were gone. So it's a simple fact that the earth can only support a certain amount of people and remain viable for human life.

Again i'll state it clearly, each individual human requires land area to live for food and other things, the earth has only so much land area, therefore the earth can mathmatically only support a certain size of human population before we reach a tipping point where we start starving just like the foxes in the graph.

If such an argument is put forward you are usually called a nazi or some other horrible label, however this is simple facts, simple logic and quite correct. Whilst i don't think we've reached our maximum population, it is a situation that needs to be addresses before we do. If we don't address it then we'll see even more people starving to death as we realise a balance is needed and achieve an eqaulibrium.

* Such issues are being officially taken into consideration by the UN. Countries with severe over population are being encouraged and helped in their strive to lower their growth rates ( The Chinese 1 child per family policy being an example of such programs).

* The fact that the Nazis did some sick s*it, dos not mean they where wrong in everything. No nation, or regime, is purely good or purely evil...
Besides what you are probably referring to is Eugenics, not Nazism...

For further reading on the subject try:
- FERTILITY, CONTRACEPTION AND POPULATION POLICIES at www.un.org/esa/population/publications/contraception2003/Web-final-text.PDF

www.unescap.org/stat/meet/microdata-May2008/sdc-concepts-methods.pdf

-For all types of documents and studies on population:
www.un.org...

[edit on 6-7-2008 by ImaginaryReality1984]

Originally posted by Cthulwho
If we were to apply this to humans, at some point overpopulated countries will reach breaking point. When this happens there will be mass starvation, disease, war and death. In order to maintain the natural population balance, as seen with foxes and rabbits, foreign countries cannot interfere. As bad as that sounds it's true, we don't go and feed the fox population when the rabbit population dwindles, and we also don't go and save the rabbits from been eaten by foxes.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
To solve the problem of land for farmming, could we build sky-scrapers of hydroponic farms? Seems like we'd have the ability to do that by now.

Originally posted by Skipper1975

this planet's humans need to make some major changes ASAP...current course is not going to work imo..

Originally posted by slackerwire
reply to post by Anti-Tyrant

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Definitely not a good idea, and neither the math or the science back up your idea.

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
Or, we could single-mindedly work towards getting ourselves out this mess by working together.

Let's face it, people are never going to accept the culling of humans out of nessecity for population control, so instead of focusing on that, i think we should spend time and a lot of effort working on alternative means to ensure that humanity's population can continue increasing.

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
Of course, until we get it into our heads that we need to migrate to another planet, we have to figure out terrestrial solutions, three of which i have highlighted for the purposes of discussion.

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
If we ensure the population can continue to grow at the rate it is for a further 100 (more, preferably) years, then i know we will have the technological capability to migrate to a different planet.

Originally posted by slackerwire

I said stop sending aid to 3rd world nations which continually have higher birth rates compared to modern, civilized nations. Let natural selection work.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984

1)I'm getting tired of this, i have nowhere at any point suggested killing human beings, i have gone out of my way to say i'm against the killing of a human. Really is unfair to put words in my mouth. We don't need more people than we have at the moment, if we don't start plans to control population then we will see mass starvation of the entire world.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
2)Well we don't have the techology for it at the moment. You can talk abot secret tech all you want but i mean the people don't have access to such things if they exist.

Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
3) Population growth helps technology advancment? Whilst i understand the idea we would have a higher chance of creating great geniuses, i doubt it would advance us that far.