Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by aLinkToThePast

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You Think people will be down to there local recruiter if Global War happens, for a war their own government started.

I certainly believe that to be the case. Look how easy it was for Bush to drum up support for a bull# invasion of Iraq. Not to mention the fact that under such dire circumstances, even I would be down at the recruiting station, and I see through the BS propoganda.

And fo course, look at what history has taught us. Nazi patriotism was nearly absolute, while their leader led them into annihilation.

So you , yourself will willingly join the fight.. for what.. what are you fighting for please tell me.

World Domination , killing innocents because your own government has led your country into this mess.

You really think that if your country faces collapse you will be able to salvage it by going off to other continents fighting and conquering other countries.

The ONLY POSSIBLE WAY FOR THE UNITED STATES TO TAKE ON THE WORLD IS nuclear weapons, you guys can't even keep order in iraq or afghanistan.

You can't rule those who dont want to be ruled, your talking about world destruction...

America does not have the manpower to fight the world without using, WMD's.

I was hoping you would say something intelligent in terms of not buying into propaganda bull#.

are you saying that you know its propaganda bull# and you will go to wars anyways, because youd rather bring the world to chaos than live in poverty for a few years.

Damn you need a good ass kicking.

Yes their patriotism was absolute until about 2 years before the war was over, when his own people tried to assasinate him.

IIn the beginning it was patriotism but , that soon dissipated into fear(bad spelling).

Their leader hardly led them into annihilation

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by aLinkToThePast

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My right to survive. And as much as I hate the direction America has gone in for far too long, I don't see many other countries coming up with any better ideas overall. Does America need to change course? Certainly. Will it take violence to achieve that? Probably. But that is something that Americans are going to have to sort out on for themselves. If some segment of legitimate opposition were to appeal to other countries for help, that would be one thing. But if I'm sick of being dictated to by my own leaders, I'm certainly not about to let some other country march in and do it.

Violence on your own government is one thing if deserved, but violence against other populations ... this doesnt make any sense whatsoever. Please explain to me how killing and pillaging other countries will make things better. Your reasoning is the stupidest i have ever heard. After going through what you are going through , and what you will go through you should be welcome to many foreign rulers as opposed to the people who are running the government now. Just because your economy collapses doesnt mean, other countries are going to come in and "conquer" you. Your country will just have to rebuild, you really must agree then that America is the most hated country if you think people will be lining up at the chance to take america over once you collapse, and start holocausting all your people...

Maybe the world should have thought of that before. Maybe the world should have listened to the American people who cried out for liberty, as many do here on ATS even. Maybe the world never should have looked the other way when Bush invaded Irag. Many Americans are sick of this Federal regime. But when the chips are down, we are still Americans. We will unite against a common enemy and figure out the rest later.

America crying liberty??!?!?! hahahah what are you even talking about, its the worlds fault that your country is in the position it is in.... what is wrong with you... so a common enemy is whoever your government says the enemy is. And you say you see through the propaganda man your stupid.

Not alone perhaps, but America is about to become the centerpiece of a New World Order. America as we know it today, will soon give way to something else. A new paradigm that has been centuries in the making.

Something which you will not enjoy the fruits of. The new world order is for the elitists , and the rich. You yourself have said that you eat food thrown out behind markets, youll be the first of the people rounded up and used for slave labour.

I don't buy into it, but the clock is ticking. If it comes down to fight or die, my choice is made.

Who has said anything about fighting or dying. These are not the only 2 choices, maybe to simple minded brainwashed people like yourself. If the American economy does collapse who do you think will come in and take you over.... no one, you are buying into the propaganda by believing that killing is the only way that you can stay alive. You think America stands for ,"if our country is going down we are gonna take the rest of the world down with us"... that is the stupidest # i'ver ever heard. You are no different than the people who are running America into the ground.

And what do you know of poverty? I'm not an American with an SUV and plasma screen TV. I am an American who has lost his home, and lives on old food thrown out by the markets.

I feel for you , maybe you should sell your computer , because you obviously lack the intelligence to understand the concept of the destruction that will occur if all this happens. You still maintain your ignorant and retarded view, do not ruin salvation for the rest of America because you have death wish

I feel for you , maybe you should sell your computer , because you obviously lack the intelligence to understand the concept of the destruction that will occur if all this happens.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by aLinkToThePast

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They were a novelty, and did not succeed. Even at Berlin his followers remained fanatical, knowing full well that Hitler had virtually ordered their own destruction. And the fanaticism still lives on today, simmering, just behind the scenes. And I'm not talking about redneck skinheads here, but the remnants of the real Nazis, who sit in high positions of power yet today.

Umm At Berlin majority of the soldiers left to fight were women and children. Not Fanatical if they were young hitler jugend, whose minds have been brainwashed, throughout their schooling from mid 1930's all the way to the 1945. They were trained from young to believe in Aryan World Power, and All non aryans were inferior who didn't deserve to live. School meant for this exact thing, To train and brainwash them soo vigirously, that these younguns had no chance in distinguishing right from wrong. They didn't truly believe in this nonsense, it was instituted in them. Why did soo many armies of the Reich surrender before berlin was reached, why did all these POW's not fight to the death. Wheres the fanaticism? You are exagerrating the amount of people who literally fought to the end ,not doubting hitler once.

I had a grand-uncle at the fall of Berlin, on the German side. He could tell you of the orders given, and how they were all to die, to a man. In the end, Hitler saw his own people as weak, having failed, and not deserving to live on. And many of the people agreed!

The idea that hitler saw his own people as weak is purely speculative. Truth is he was a physcopath , his ideas similared to yours in the sense that he too wanted to bring down everything and everyone if he went down himself,total destruction. He was an egotistical, coward you sure your grand uncle's last name was not hitler?

[edit on 8-7-2008 by aLinkToThePast]

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by aLinkToThePast

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Obviously your view of America is retarted. I don't own a computer, because I cannot afford one. No streets of gold in my town.

I'll reply to the rest later, when I am able to pirate a more secure signal.

I have no problem with most of the american people. Just like all other nationalities but there are a select few like yourself, who give your country a bad reputation. You may indeed think that my view of yourself is "retarded", but look at all the garbage and nonsense you have posted. It seems i am not the only one who agrees that you are truly useless. Nothing you have said has really made any sense whatsoever in the eyes of "Human beings" you should put your Fabulous story to the new world ORder, and see if they grant you entry, because you clearly do not give a # about the world , or the people who live in it.

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You would willingly fight the world to keep your way of life? That you would even say something like this disgusts me.

Violence on your own government is one thing if deserved, but violence against other populations ... this doesnt make any sense whatsoever.

Please explain to me how killing and pillaging other countries will make things better.

After going through what you are going through , and what you will go through you should be welcome to many foreign rulers as opposed to the people who are running the government now.

Just because your economy collapses doesnt mean, other countries are going to come in and "conquer" you.

Your country will just have to rebuild, you really must agree then that America is the most hated country if you think people will be lining up at the chance to take america over once you collapse, and start holocausting all your people...

America crying liberty??!?!?! hahahah what are you even talking about, its the worlds fault that your country is in the position it is in.... what is wrong with you... so a common enemy is whoever your government says the enemy is. And you say you see through the propaganda man your stupid.

Something which you will not enjoy the fruits of. The new world order is for the elitists , and the rich. You yourself have said that you eat food thrown out behind markets, youll be the first of the people rounded up and used for slave labour.

Who has said anything about fighting or dying. These are not the only 2 choices, maybe to simple minded brainwashed people like yourself.

Umm At Berlin majority of the soldiers left to fight were women and children. Not Fanatical if they were young hitler jugend, whose minds have been brainwashed, throughout their schooling from mid 1930's all the way to the 1945...

The idea that hitler saw his own people as weak is purely speculative. Truth is he was a physcopath , his ideas similared to yours in the sense that he too wanted to bring down everything and everyone if he went down himself,total destruction. He was an egotistical, coward you sure your grand uncle's last name was not hitler?

I have no problem with most of the american people. Just like all other nationalities but there are a select few like yourself, who give your country a bad reputation. You may indeed think that my view of yourself is "retarded", but look at all the garbage and nonsense you have posted. It seems i am not the only one who agrees that you are truly useless. Nothing you have said has really made any sense whatsoever in the eyes of "Human beings" you should put your Fabulous story to the new world ORder, and see if they grant you entry, because you clearly do not give a # about the world , or the people who live in it.

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by aLinkToThePast

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I have no problem with most of the american people. Just like all other nationalities but there are a select few like yourself, who give your country a bad reputation. You may indeed think that my view of yourself is "retarded", but look at all the garbage and nonsense you have posted. It seems i am not the only one who agrees that you are truly useless. Nothing you have said has really made any sense whatsoever in the eyes of "Human beings" you should put your Fabulous story to the new world ORder, and see if they grant you entry, because you clearly do not give a # about the world , or the people who live in it.

No, you seem to have a big problem with the American people. Your treatment of myself makes that clear. You blindly lashed out at me, as if I support the NWO and what they have done to my country, when in fact the exact opposite is true.

So where are you from that makes you hate and fear Americans so much?

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by aLinkToThePast

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And do you think that Americans aren't being brainwashed? What do you think 9/11 was?

did i say that? noo... do you make sense no.

You really need to stop with the idiotic comments if we are to continue this conversation. You seem to have stereotyped me as a blindly patriotic American.

It is well known that Hitler saw his own people as having failed, and therefore being un-deserving to survive.

And where do you get the idea that I want to bring the world down in some glorious "total destruction?"

I would gladly assault the world to keep our way of life..

[edit on 9-7-2008 by aLinkToThePast]

Originally posted by jackinthebox
reply to post by aLinkToThePast

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That's not up to me to decide. But if it comes down to world war, I will certainly fight for my own people, not against them.

The most likely scenario for world war III at present is America as the instigator. Are you a patriot for modern day america or a patriot for your constitution? If you were a patriot of your constitution you would stop the current corrupt government and the NWO itself. Not fight for them. Given the choice... which would you choose. Im not understanding you because on one hand your saying youll gladly assault the world, on the other your condemming the NWO and current corrupt US government... which side are you on

I don't agree that it would. Hasn't worked so far.

IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH IT THEN WHY WOULD YOU DO IT?........

The people running the government now, ARE foreign rulers as far as I'm concerned. I advocate the restoration of Constitutional law in the US, and the discharge of the usurpers with prejudice.

EXACTLY. the only WAR you should wage is against your current government and the NWO. Going to war against the world would most likely be fighting for Modern corrupt America and the NWO.

Just because your economy collapses doesnt mean, other countries are going to come in and "conquer" you.

Hated enough, yes. But for all the wrong reasons. The US itself is not the NWO, just the front company for it. Like the baker who is just trying to earn an honest living when the Mob tells him that he's gonna have to start laundering their money, and giving them free goods, and paying protection.

I have never said before that i thought the US was the NWO......nor would i believe that. I Believe that current US leadership is very corrupt and NWO controls these "fake" Americans. I think the misunderstanding lies in your line of saying you would gladly assault the world to protect your way of life. Did you mean way of life currently in america, or way of life in terms of the WAY America should be as described in the constitution. If you choose the first then does it not make sense to you that i would consider you stupid. Corrupt leadership and the NWO describing current America, i thought you meant you would gladly goto war for current America. Meaning on the NWO and corrupt side. If your against this and for the constitution, you should clarify next time you post a line saying i would glady assault the world to preserve my way of life. This translates to the way people view America today, makes you sound like an imperialist. Instead of saying going to war with the world say revolution because thats what it is nay?

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by Grambler

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You would willingly fight the world to keep your way of life? That you would even say something like this disgusts me.

I am worth more then you.

I would gladly assault the world to keep our way of life..