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reply posted on 4-8-2008 @ 03:03 PM by thrashee
Originally posted by TruthTellist
In my experience, The primary reason (after profits) that so many children and people in general are unnecessarily and over-medicated is to preclude them from firearms ownership.

If I prescribe an anti-psychotic, SSRI or even a benzodiazapine, that person will never be able to own a gun as they will not pass the background checks. I warn all my patients of this fact.


Very interesting OP, TruthTellist. It is indeed a very scary idea you have presented, and one that merits looking at.

I do have a few questions. Can you please elaborate on what you mean by "in your experience, the primary reason....is to preclude them from firearms ownership"? What have you directly seen that leads you to believe this? Are there any causal facts that lead you to this conclusion?

Secondly, because gun control laws vary by state instead of at the federal level, I'm wondering how this affects your premise that these sorts of prescriptions are meant to control firearms ownership. Can you please tell us what state you practice in so we can look up that state's gun control laws?

Finally, although I haven't researched every state's laws for obvious reasons, I have not found any supporting legislation that SSRIs automatically bar gun ownership. In fact, the only close data I can find between permit applications and mental health histories is in regards to any stays at institutions. I have found nothing that is looking for prescriptions. Lastly, none of what I've seen appears to permanently bar anyone from obtaining a firearm.

Again, interesting OP. If you can tell us what state you live in, that will help us narrow down the facts.


reply posted on 4-8-2008 @ 04:32 PM by thrashee
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Thanks for the source, Digital_Reality. That definitely helps clear things up.


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 08:01 PM by TruthTellist
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There are two "persons" identified in law. These are "natural-person" and "artificial-person".

A natural-person is defined as "A human being that has the capacity for rights and duties". Note that the word capacity means the ability, but not the obligation for rights and duties.

An artificial-person is defined as "A legal entity, not a human being, recognized as a person in law to whom legal rights and duties may attach - e.g. a body corporate". Sometimes an artificial-person may be referred to as a CORPORATION, which is not always the same as an Incorporated Company. These subtle re-definitions are made in Statutes whenever the Government wants to change the meaning of the word.

There are many different types of artificial-persons, each with different duties. Here are a few different types of artificial-persons:

Taxpayer, Resident, Driver, Voter, Citizen, Homeowner, Officer.

Whenever you read any Law or Statute, you must be sure to check the meaning of the word "person" as it applies to that particular law.


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 08:26 PM by thrashee
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Thanks for the clarification. So is your OP geared mainly towards Canada, the States, or just to nations in general? I was under the impression that gun ownership in Canada is much less than the US.

As an aside, and hopefully not too off-topic, what you do think of Canadian healthcare versus the States? People against social healthcare always love pointing to the issues plaguing Canada's system, but I see that mostly as propaganda, fear of change, or just right-wing rhetoric.


reply posted on 5-8-2008 @ 10:11 PM by TruthTellist
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This Thread is geared primarily towards the United States and Canada.

I am a believer in Socialized Healthcare and disagree strongly with the American Model - any system that allows people to die in it's waiting rooms is a failed one.

In a modern society such a system is a necessity and I am shocked at the indifference of American politicians towards the suffering of their people.

American hospitals provide Healthcare for illegal aliens, yet refuse to do so for their own citizens. This is shameful - especially when it is the American People's Tax dollars that pay for the majority of the treatment given to illegals.

A prime example would be how the American System treats Maternity:

An American family can expect to pay $15k to $40k for the treatments required during the pregnancy and immediately afterward.

An family of illegal Aliens can expect same treatment this for free, whereas the American family is now saddled with debt and is in for financial difficulties.

They will still have to pay for the child's future medical expenses - their illegal counterparts will get the same treatments for free.

This is just one example of what afflicts the American System - which as far as I can tell, is designed so suck as much wealth out of the poeple as possible, while they are at their most desperate. Despicable.

The Immigration/Open Borders problem in the U.S. is a thread unto itself.


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