Monsanto has to Accept Full Responsibility for Genetic Contamination, page 2
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:13 AM by starcraft
reply to post by Maxmars




Interesting article, thanks for that. Yes, original hopes for huge yields did not prove to be true. The plants were selected for Roundup resistence, not yield. "All that glitters is not golden". I would point out though that these studies you refer to were from 2000 and earlier. From then til now is a lifetime in plant genetics. RR soybeans are now selected for yield among many other traits.


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:34 PM by TheWayISeeIt
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I'm going to go out on a limb here and accuse you of being a Troll and a shill for Monsanto (look at the profile, seems set-up to respond to this thread). It is an established fact that they have numerous PR people, both in company and hired firms, to do exactly this.

For an indepth look at Monsanto PLEASE watch the documentary below; it was aired in France a couple of months ago, was posted on YourTube and Google vid, started to go viral and was then PULLED for 2 1/2 months before slowly being reintroduced in 10 minute segments recently. I implore anyone who cares at all about this issue to take the time to see this. Then please, please pass this along. This is one of the biggest issues of our time and most folks have no idea what's going on for lack of information. Sending light and love to all, even the Troll.


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:45 PM by starcraft
This post's headline is actually very misleading. If you'd dig a little deeper, you'd find the story is much more complicated and in fact the whole issue was started as an intellectual property case. It was Monsanto that originally sued Schmeiser.

(From a yahoo search)
Monsanto v. Schmeiser: A “Classic David and Goliath” Story?

by Clark Wolf, Director of Bioethics


Percy Schmeiser has become a folk hero of sorts. His story has quite literally become the stuff of legend and song, and he has been honored with awards from several groups that see him as a champion who stood up to a large multi-national corporation. Schmeiser is a Canadian farmer who was sued by Monsanto for violation of their intellectual property rights in the Roundup Ready™ canola he raised in his fields. Schmeiser didn’t purchase the Roundup Ready canola that was found growing on his land. Apparently the parent stock blew in from the road or from a neighboring field. When Schmeiser collected seed and saved it to plant in the following year, Monsanto’s gene was present in the saved seed and was thus present in Schmeiser’s canola. Tests identified the presence of Monsanto’s intellectual property in Schmeiser’s crop, and since he had not purchased the seed from Monsanto and had no license to use their patented Roundup Ready technology, Monsanto brought suit against Schmeiser in the Canadian court system. On appeal, the case rose all the way to Canada’s Supreme Court, which delivered its ruling on May 21, 2004. In spite of the fact that Monsanto’s patented genes had apparently drifted onto Schmeiser’s field, the court found in favor of Monsanto. In a five to four decision, they ruled that Percy Schmeiser violated Monsanto’s intellectual property rights by growing Roundup Ready canola without a license. For this reason, Monsanto v. Schmeiser has been represented as implying that farmers can be held liable for the unintentional and adventitious presence of patented material in their fields. In this case, since Schmeiser never used Roundup® to clear the weeds in his field, the court found that no damages were due to Monsanto. Both sides in the legal battle declared victory and retreated to their respective corners to nurse their wounds.

The article the OP links, other than being very poorly written and hard to understand, is very slanted.


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:47 PM by forsakenwayfarer
Originally posted by TheWayISeeIt
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post by starcraft




For an indepth look at Monsanto PLEASE watch the documentary below; it was aired in France a couple of months ago, was posted on YourTube and Google vid, started to go viral and was then PULLED for 2 1/2 months before slowly being reintroduced in 10 minute segments recently. I implore anyone who cares at all about this issue to take the time to see this.



Even Google does not "pull" videos for no reason. There must have been in the best case, copyright infringement, or in the worst case slander and libel.

Going with the track record of enviro-activists, I would place my bets firmly in the bold category.


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 02:44 PM by TheWayISeeIt
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How do you know "videos are never pulled from Google" unless there is lawsuit/copyright issues? You have no way of knowing why that video was taken down. Do you work for Google?

Not to take this thread off topic, but I will add that Google has deals with the multiple U.S. government and even created a special division to accomdate various government agencies, NASA (where their building as we post 1.2 million sq ft. office space) DARPA, CIA, etc. There are many posts on this site discussing that, but you have hard timne finding them using the Goggle powered ATS search. I forwarded one comprehensive thread to someone via email a mnonth or so ago. If you'd like to read it U2U me and I will find it and send it to you -- this goes for anyone.

As to the documentary by Marie-Monique Robin that I posted above it was aired nationally by ARTE France and there are no lawsuits by Monsanto that dispute any of the facts that she assiduously researched. It is utterly damning AND also gets into the fact that Monsanto has purchased a preponderance of the world's seed supply companies in the last decade. They are ever closer to total control of the world's food supply. And that is just a small part of what she exposed.

Monsanto wouldn’t address these issues on camera for Robin, instead referring to the "Monsanto Pledge" posted on their website and which Greenpeace dunked here www.greenpeace.org...

So why don't you do yourself a favor and just watch the doc before you take positons about Monsanto and the good they are doing the world as it is patently clear you really have no information on the topic.


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 05:00 PM by Evisscerator
reply to post by SystemiK



They won't accept any responsibility for it as long as there is a PROFIT MARGIN in it to be made.


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 06:22 PM by SystemiK
reply to post by starcraft



Starcraft, the article you pasted above was published in May of 2005. The article in the OP is referring to a settlement which was reached in March of this year. This case has actually been unfolding since 1997. You seem to insinuate that your 3 year old news item is representative of the current outcome which is actually quite misleading. What exactly is your agenda here?

If anyone is interested in a brief overview,this article details the timeline and events of the case.

JackintheBox: Since the case was settled out of court, I would imagine that other similar cases will still stand as decided by the courts. However, this case does illustrate to other farmers that they need not bow down to Monsanto in future cases of alleged infringement. Above all, Percy has shown that Monsanto can be beaten at their own game. No doubt there will be a lot more farmers willing to take cases to court and eventually one of them will recieve a favorable decision. Once that happens, I believe that previous cases will be more open to appeal.

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