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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 08:14 AM by dawnstar

Originally posted by Brothers

Well I would say thats its ok as long as you pray to the other gods of other religions of this world. Then you can make a comparison. But all of the students have to participate and no exceptions. If not, then the teachings of all religions should not be taught. However, I believe that the UK is just going tooooooo far with everything. Its as if the Uk just dont know what to do or teach anymore. Looks like the whole of Europe is doing the same thing. Something have to give someday. Hopefully soon.

ya know, some of us actually take this "God" concept a tad bit more seriously...and well, to fake a conversation with one, just for a grade in school is kind of seen as wrong!! I mean what do you do, slap a dislaimer on the end that basically says, sorry, allah, but I really don't believe in your way, but well, my stupid teacher is making me do this on the end of your prayer? or even if you are a believer, what, sorry, god, don't really feel like chatting with ya now, so my heart really isn't into this, I just have to do this for the A?
no one should be able to tell you what you should be believing when it comes to God, no one should be telling you how you should be praying to this God, and no one should be telling you when you should be praying. all this is a matter between you and your God, the school has no business getting involved in that relationship...or lack of one.

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 08:16 AM by realshanti

reply to post by marg6043

fine - teach comparative religion - nothing wrong in that - but why the immersion technique? please - someone answer my question...why is it necessary for children to participate in the worship rituals? Does no one find this a trifle odd? Can children not be taught about religious differences without being required to "pretend" practice said religion...????

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 08:17 AM by LDragonFire

From what we have learned in the Western world, If you are living in the Islamic world and are not Islamic or not abiding by Islamic law you will be punished for it.

So It looks to me like the teacher was teaching A very accurate portrayal of what Islam means to those in the west, worship or be punished.

Broad strokes I'm sure, sad but true.

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 08:26 AM by dawnstar

Originally posted by LDragonFire
From what we have learned in the Western world, If you are living in the Islamic world and are not Islamic or not abiding by Islamic law you will be punished for it.

So It looks to me like the teacher was teaching A very accurate portrayal of what Islam means to those in the west, worship or be punished.

Broad strokes I'm sure, sad but true.

but, when it comes to religion, especially, if you are believer, the relationship that you and your God has, should be one based on sincerity and truth. there's no room for "pretending" this school is making the same mistake as those countries are...it's the "anti-christian" way of doing things....force the people to pretend, to fake, or believe.....but either way, you lose more souls than you gain. since if there is a God in heaven, he's gonna get rather sick of all the fakery.

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 08:36 AM by resistor

Originally posted by dawnstar

Originally posted by LDragonFire
From what we have learned in the Western world, If you are living in the Islamic world and are not Islamic or not abiding by Islamic law you will be punished for it.

So It looks to me like the teacher was teaching A very accurate portrayal of what Islam means to those in the west, worship or be punished.

Broad strokes I'm sure, sad but true.

but, when it comes to religion, especially, if you are believer, the relationship that you and your God has, should be one based on sincerity and truth. there's no room for "pretending" this school is making the same mistake as those countries are...it's the "anti-christian" way of doing things....force the people to pretend, to fake, or believe.....but either way, you lose more souls than you gain. since if there is a God in heaven, he's gonna get rather sick of all the fakery.

'Those forced to believe against their will, are of the same opinion still'

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To me this story is just further proof that what we call public schools are little more than government indoctrination centers. As was stated previously, there's no need to perform a ritual in order to learn about it. IMO, this is just a way of acclimating the children to doing whatever their told, whether it conflicts with their beliefs or not.

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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 08:38 AM by marg6043

reply to post by realshanti

And that is the only fault I found with the teacher it seems, that he push the issue to the extreme into young minds that were not ready or well enough knowledgeable or understood what they were asked to do.

For that alone the teacher is wrong and the school should evaluate the way they are doing their teaching, perhaps the teacher itself is full of bigotry, bias and intolerance.

BTW in America back a few decades ago it was proposed the teaching of comparative religion as a curriculum academic to fight religious illiteracy, but as usual the Christian movements and religious rights opposed to the idea.

Now the only teaching they are pushing now a days is ID and creationism as science anything else is not even considered.

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 08:54 AM by realshanti

reply to post by marg6043

Yeah - its a shame really...teaching kids about different religions in a comparative sense is not a bad idea in and of itself but poorly thought out in its execution - and understand this - the teacher is following a lesson plan and technique that has been approved...in other words if its going on in this classroom its going on in most classrooms where this same curriculum is being taught...

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 09:50 AM by ZindoDoone

First of all, in the US, you cannot even mention God in any school....unless its Allah. Try teaching comparative christian religions and not teach Islam. You'd be out of a job the very next day. In many States the schools must have a separate room that must be cleaned in a certain way before the Muslims will use it. Try doing that with a christian religion and see how far you'd get. We have school boards kowtowing to muslim leaders over school curiculum because they are insulted by some miniscule wording of questions or history. Try doing that if your a christian. Untill those of us that vote and pay the taxes to local towns take matters into our own hands and DUMP those on the board with no cajones this will only get worse. Islam is pushing the limits because they believe in trying to foment unrest to further the agenda. They will continue to force us to knuckle under untill we fight back. Multiculturalism is the red hearing. They care not for it and would crush it when they have the power. Those of you who are women and condone this will be the first to feel the pain. They are using our own ignorance against us and its working!!

Zindo

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:21 AM by Pro-genetic

I think what people fail to understand is that our way of life is not under threat! The kids of the muslims that are here now will be a lot less religious and more into comercialism than anything else, and there kids will be the exact same as ours! Religion cant stand in the way of money! And that is one thing that the west has buckets of!

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:43 AM by Anonymous ATS

I do believe there should be some type of system for teaching right from wrong, and how one should behave towards a fellow human being or any other creature for that matter, and education to a certain level where the teacher knows where the student is going, for example at a certain age one can usually tell where someone is going in life, like say a really good footballer at school head of all the teams, and that is his sole interest in life, then why force him to learn history, geography, etc, is this just not wasting his time and others, if he bacame a proffesional footballer, then the geography lesson might have come in handy, if his team was playing another country, but hey wasnt worth all those hours of study to learn about this one country he is playing, he will just look it up on the internet.

Hope at least some of you know where I am coming from with this, and maybe explain to others better than me.

Now the religion bit, I do not think for one minute it should be taught in schools, it is not a proven fact that any gods live, why should we be told this, and have to believe it, when we get to a certain age it is up to us if we believe in father christmas, or not, our peers have told us the truth, so then we have a choice if we want to carry on.

So why can we not have our own choice if we want to believe in god or not, I personally find it more believable that we where made from an alien race, than from an invisible entity that causes suffering in the masses.
That brings me to another thing of all those different peoples around the world that has their own god, name me your god if he will stop all the suffering in the world tomorrow, and I will believe in him.

All I hear everywhere is people dying in wars about gods, I never seem to hear anyone dying through the devils work though, he never gets a mention on the news. maybe its the one your worshipping up in the clouds that is the devil incarnate.
No the poor lads had a right to refuse.

Would the goverment please give me a job teaching children about our, alien grey friends,about how Kryll came down too teach us about a better way of life, but was stopped by people who didnt know better, and the plight of their battles in the solar system, against the dracs. Ok thats enough but you see what I mean the goverment would not give me this job because they would say I could not prove this happened, so where is the difference prove to me that what it says in the bible is true or the kerran or whatever other scriptures you belive in.

So please believe in something if you want, but keep it too yourself and dont force upon others.

Sorry for the rant, dont take what I say to heart just some of my views.

Oh and please no one get me started on the ark, how many animals?, how many people built this gigantic boat?, who was left after the flood, no incest involved then to produce us lot?. just wondering allowed.

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:48 AM by computerwiz32

well so what?? lol this has been going on for a long time. I mean a long time. I have to say this... every religion has a religious nut.
I had a kid in my highschool class that brought around the holy bible, and he was in my electronics class he cheated alot in the class asking people for answers because he really had no interests in electronics and currently is in college going to become a police officer.

Their was one kid on my eletronic class that didn't believe in god so the kid with the bible had an argument/fight verbally. Saying to the kid that didn't believe in god that gods exists because it said so in the holy bible.

I just want everyone here to know that every religion has their own nuts.
This is one of them that happens to be a muslium.

This doesn't mean or prove that Muslims want to take over the world or want to concur earth or anything.

This is plain politics their is a reason why foxnews posted this.
This happened way before 9/11 .

These people are not fully educated so they rely on religion on what they know.So if someone else bealive in another religion then you will be look down upon.
So you can't just say that this lady is a fully Muslim and is showing the world what Islam is really about meaning to force everyone to convert to Islam else you will be punished.

I hope you are open minded and really see the overall picture. Don't judge ever Muslim based on just this person meet many more and you will see.
I can point out many other religious nuts in many other religion.
I also know Islam has many, and so does many other religions.
This has been going on for a very long time this isn't something new it may be the first time in the Foxnews but it's been going on for a long time and it's not just that area. All I say only judge her don't judge the religion until you really get to know most people in that religion and just want to say that every religion has their own religious nuts where they justify their actions by bending the religions beliefs to make their actions right.
I bealive the this lady needs to lose her job since she is not teaching the kids. She is forcing her bealives on the kids which I bealive is wrong and destorys the purpose of learning.

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:16 AM by neformore

Originally posted by ObamaMomma
As much as I like British people they have no chance. They are slowly being steam rolled into a nation of Islam.

Well, anyone who knows me on here will tell you that I do like to speak my mind from time to time, so its not likely to be a suprise when I say this.

What you have written here is a complete load of ignorant crap.

If you want to live in a paranoid fantasy world, then thats your problem. But please, spare projecting it onto other places and people. We don't need it.

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:17 AM by computerwiz32

reply to post by LDragonFire

No not I don't agree with you. I am not a religious person, but I am raised as a muslim and would tell you that I was born and raised in U.S.A I been to pakistan before it's a Islamic state.

Yes they do have laws that are based off the religion but they don't strictly enforce it on americans/ outside people.

I have been their and I never really prayed much in my life. I was In pakistan and I heard calls for prayer which I was with my cousin on the street and people saw us and we were not forced to warship. I was playing cricket with my cousin in the street and this was evening time where their was a call to prayer. I never saw one any coming up to us and say pray now. You have a choice if you want to pray or not. Their is no such law which says you must pray to our Islamic god. The only laws that their are is dress code, and bribery/stealing those are the only laws I know off that are based off the Islamic law,Other than that it's the same laws like the U.S. Like accounting/ hit and run accident/ Internet well the internet is more free, like you can make a website that you can sell pirated dvds ect so it's more freedom than here in the U.S. .

I my highschool I seen pictures of many Islamic counrties and we were thought that every prayer time everyone must go outside and pray else be in prision for noting praying.

I have first hand experience in pakistan and they don't force you to pray and they also won't put you in jail for not complying with the religious law.

However if you do happen to go to these areas a women has to at least cover up you don't need to wear the whole dress thing where we seen women wearing a black dress. They will get upset if an american women is wearhing shorts or a swimsuit that shows alot because how they take it their is like if you were walking nude even thought you techinally are not but it's how they feel and you will know about it if you are a women and you went to islamic countries with shorts ect.

However I never seen or experience any law enfrocement that when they pray you had to pray and you have to obay all the islamic law.
I pakistan most people are muslims but their are british people and even indian people their are evenly mixed, and they are more friendly and most people do have an understanding that if your an outsider/person from another country they will know that and won't punish you in any way but would explain to you why some people their might take it offensive.

It boils down to a person openmindedness, their are people in every country that are not open to change and when someone comes by that may change the country village or such they would beat you up because they feel threatened by the change.

I just wanted to clear this up since I have also notice that in some schools they are teaching about Islamic countrys that they force you to bealive what they bealive or at least follow their laws which are based off the Islamic law.

I can just tell you that yes their are some laws in Islamic nations that are based off Islam but they strictly enforce it on locals rather than vistors, they will tell you about it and such just to warn you that really you can tick off anyone that dosen't accept change. In Islamic countries the big cities are mostly like american cities they are high-tech and have roads and are usally educated and open minded but it's just the villages and small cities in those countrys that are more towards religion and might not be openminded and may force you to follow Islamic law.

These are just my experiences and I bealive that every country has their own people that are not open to change or are not open minded.

So I don't agree with that stament that you said that everyone that goes to a Islamic country are force to Islamic law.

you should state if you been to an Islamic country before/or experinces

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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:43 AM by LDragonFire

Originally posted by computerwiz32
reply to post by LDragonFire

So I don't agree with that stament that you said that everyone that goes to a Islamic country are force to Islamic law.

I didn't say "Goes" to a Islamic country I said:

Originally posted by LDragonFire
From what we have learned in the Western world, If you are living in the Islamic world and are not Islamic or not abiding by Islamic law you will be punished for it.

And we in the Western world have learn this from watching women being killed by your culture on Youtube, we have learned about honor killings and we are shocked by it, or when osama bin laden releases a tape with one of those convert or die slogans.

I don't hate Muslims, for real! But our culture has taught us these things about your culture. Stories like this don't help, even if the teacher wasn't Islamic. Most in my world have this view of Muslims, and when one blows themselves up killing innocent people it doesn't do much to change this impression!

you should state if you been to an Islamic country before/or experinces

I have not, but there are several Muslim countries I would Not go too, how about you?

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:48 AM by ObamaMomma

Originally posted by neformore
What you have written here is a complete load of ignorant crap.

I am sorry you feel that way but
It seems I am not the only one with this point of view...

Tower Hamlets so named because of its proximity to the Tower of London has now 30 out of 51 counsillors who are Muslims. Tower Hamlets has now the largest Bangladeshi community outside India. Owing to increasing street violence in the borough the local Roman Catholic church school and the century-old East End Methodist Mission where
John Wesley preached, have been forced to close down. But it gets worse for the church of St Dunstans has recently been robbed and desecrated, the names of local voting wards such as St. Peter’s, Holy Trinity and St James have all been abolished and the lovely old
churchyard of St Mary’s has now been renamed “Abdul Ali Park”!

www.joelstrumpet.com...

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 12:06 PM by neformore

Originally posted by ObamaMomma
I am sorry you feel that way but
It seems I am not the only one with this point of view...

You can link to all the hate and agenda blogs you want while sitting in the USA.

I mean, the guy who wrote that has authored a book called "Antichrist: Islam’s Awaited Messiah" - person with much of an agenda there?

The difference is I live here. I experience it every day.

And while, from time to time, there are racial tensions - as there are anywhere in the world - the picture you are trying to paint is, as I said, crap.

If you do the research you'll find that about 3.5% of the UK's population is muslim. That doesn't quite tally with the type of scaremongering you're trying to promote.

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 02:22 PM by C.C.Benjamin

I wish I had the opportunity to congratulate the children who had the balls to turn around and say "I'm not worshipping the god of a mad warlord".

When everyone else is doing something, it is hard to go against the flow.

Good job kids.

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 02:54 PM by computerwiz32

reply to post by LDragonFire

I am not saying that you are a hater, just saying whatever you have been told is not the whole story. I am just adding my first hand experience.

I am not offended or anything. My response was based off what you been exposed and my response was in general. I was refering to alot of crap that has been on tv, I even seen a people in curch saying to kill ever muslim because they work for the devil. I am just trying to set everyone strait on whats fact and what's not.

Osama is not a bad person in my opinion if you really learn the true stuff about from his actions and understood politics you can see true stuff.

Osama bin has alot of money if you seen photos him camping out in the wild in poorish conditions . Osama is part of that arab family ect, he knew what's going on behind the scenes what the U.S is trying to do, so he decided to fight agianst the U.S, He is against what the U.S gov is doing.
Some tapes are not translated correctly, I don't have a native tought in pushto ect, My dad does and my dad seen some videos that were aired on CNN ect some tapes were translated wrong, the guy had certain expressions on words that is not able to be translate. Like if you say to someone what up dog... ok many people can take it in many ways, I can take it is a slang meaning that it's good your saying that I am your friend others can take it like your calling them a name that you think I am your dog your slave ect. That is an example of how easly you can miscommunicate with one another .

I am just saying do your own research, don't let the TV media make your mind up because if you go based on what the tv said then your mind is controled I can pay foxnews or cnn to up a story or an ad saying to buy my product that it will make you healthy very healthy and I put many kinds of chemicals in my product , now if you trust 100% of cnn news or foxnews you would think hey they are a national well known news company and if they put this ad/story on it then it must be true.

The Images made and shown on national news are political movements.

After 9/11 Me an my dad, and my cousins/family we went to the beach this was in the summer of that same year I told my dad to tell my cousins to change in american clothes because people might do somthing so my dad was like lol don't worry about it. Where in america people are open minded.

When we got there, One lady had her 2 kids that one was 2 years old and the other was 4 years old, she told my one cousin which was a female with pakistani clothes on the lady said blank your clothes. Then another guy on the beach told her that it's not holloween. Then the park ranger came up to us and asked us to leave because we were causing a distervence my dad was upset and I told them let's just go its not worth going to jail for it. This was my first hand experience.

I am just saying that open have a habit of talking about anothers religion thinking they know everything about it but in reallity they know nothing about it or very little.

Also Jhod that group that is know as terrorist. Cnn translated it wrong.
The word means that if you see it , hear it, dealt with it, that somthing is worng that is not right you have to act upon on it in the only way you can.
This means that the group thinks the U.S is doing somthing wrong. I have cousins in pakistan and they think the U.S is trying to enslave the world.

Here are the reason why they think this - they belive that we have no freedom.

Look up the definition of freedom on google. Then Look at all the laws we have and look at what other countries laws are.

How come that if you went to colleg and got a PHD in let's say accounting. You after 3 years have to keep renewing it they say because new things come up and you have to keep up with learnig the new stuff. If you were sick and you didn't go to ---------

reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 02:54 PM by GorehoundLarry