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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 02:24 AM by FIFIGI
Originally posted by ForceMaster
reply to
post by mirageofdeceit


I agree completely. To think that it is even considered in this country is sick! This whole idea of Islam is something I cannot say here. Truth is, I do not care if I offend them, they offend me. Religion of peace right? It's a belief in butchery. Period.



I am looking at what is going on in England and feel sick and sorry - English has let themselves down by letting this happen to their children - I hope something like this never happens in Latvia.


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 04:06 AM by MidnightDStroyer
Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Any human rights insofar as religious freedom (i.e. the freedom not to participate)? Seems the laws don't always work both ways.

Good point here, but I think I should make a few points based upon the following parts of the
Constitution & the Bill of Rights:
Article 6, Clause 3:
The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the Members of the several State Legislatures, and all executive and judicial Officers, both of the United States and of the several States, shall be bound by Oath or Affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

1st Amendment:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Well, to me it looks like this: If the government cannot lawfully demand any "religious Test" of its Officers & cannot lawfully deny People the Right to exercise Religion as they see fit, then neither should the schools because they operate under a lesser authority than the government (as illegitimate as it is anyway). Therefore, it should be the teacher and/or administrators who support/enforce these detentions to be removed from their jobs & brought to trial for violation of Human Rights under the Constitution.

But since this happened in England, my attitude is such that Americans should just let England deal with it in their own way...Of course, if England has any laws supporting a similar "choice of religion" in either their own laws or through their UN Treaties that support Human Rights (according to any clauses dealing with religion), that would be the way to go.

But then again, I think the band Pink Floyd summed it up in a song from their "Dark of the Moon" album: "Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way."

Then again, consider that the source is Faux News...

ZindoDoone has the right idea, but I just backed it up with proper justification under the Supreme Law...If this had happened in America instead of England.
However, I have nothing against teaching diversity of cultures in Social Studies...Even teaching some of the differing doctrines of religions is nothing to worry about. At least, not until it gets down to this point, to force the kids into practicing religious rituals that the kids don't believe in.

'Nuff said.



reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 04:09 AM by iiinvision
reply to post by _Phoenix_






as an artist...this is a pretty profound message...is it not...


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 07:05 AM by _Phoenix_
reply to post by materi



Uhhh ok....I see you have some hatred in your mind.

Anyway when I say multicultural I also mean people from ALL over the world. Women too


reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 07:45 AM by smokey101
reply to post by neformore



I am still living in Crewe, its really gone to the dogs, west street is a mess of violence and drugs and its not a nice place to be at night.

Anyway in response to the thread i say that it doesn't matter what "branch" of religion is taught, it should never be taught in the first place as it is totally idiotic unprovable bull, that stifles and chokes the minds of kids and fills them not with wonder to find out how things work, but to say they work because of some god made them work.
Religion is the enemy of science and fact and logic, and any enemy of that is an enemy of mine.
Science and technology is what made us this advanced, science can improve our lives, science in hospitals saves lives, not kneeling down with your eyes closed speaking to some mythical being that doesn't exist.

While religion exists then science will be stifled, deaths will be caused in the name of what ever religion is prevelent at the time and further still hold the world back.
Teaching any religion at all in schools is just damaging the potential of the kids and therefore the potential of the future of the human race.
Give the time wasted on religious educatio classses over to science or maths or something that will at least benifit the world and not damage it.

[edit on 6/7/2008 by smokey101]



reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 08:13 AM by smokey101
There is no place in the entire world for any religion at all.

To all those who believe in a religion i ask this:-

When you are lying in a pool of your own blood with a knife in your chest because someone decied to rob you, where is your god then?

When your child dies of a torturous disease, dies in pain and sufferng, where is your god then?

When sickening acts of violence and slaughter are committed across the world to innocent people, where is your god then?

When you need food and shelter, when you need a cure for your childs illness, when the perpetrators of violence need stopping, where is your god then?

I'll tell you where, Nowhere.

But when you need a cure for your sick child, science and technology is there.
When you need you wounds healing, science and technology is there.
When the perpetrators of violence need stopping, people backed by science and technology are there.

So carry on teaching your religion and thanking a god for what we have while science continues to save lives.

When bad things happen, earthquakes, floods, tsunami, hurricanes, people say it was gods will.
When a poor defenseless child dies in agony they say it was gods will.
No it is just a logical fact that bad stuff happens for no damned reason sometimes.
There is no pattern to it, no mythical all powerfull thing behind the scenes controling it.
It is just the logical fact the bad stuff happens and there isn't a thing praying can do about, science on the other hand just might be able to if religious freaks stop filling kids minds with bull instead of with knowledge that may be of use to the world.

I say screw religion, becuase it is allready screwing us and our kids.
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