I've noticed many people have mentioned the occult, and not religion. I was under the impression that demons are Fallen Angels, and that occultic "spirits" are some form of "energy" or something... Is that impression correct, or am I just making myself look stupid?

Sid and Nancy are pretty sure this a demon, because of the way it reacts when Christ is mentioned. Any thoughts?

Originally posted by mr. wildflowers
I forgot to elaborate on the prophecy aspect. Nancy often has dreams about the end times. She sees where she is when the world ends in great detail, and can describe it perfectly. She describes some of the events described in Revelations, and says that she (apparently these are 3rd person dreams) looks only 4 or 5 years older than she does now. If she really does have the gift of prophecy, there are could be some interesting implications of these dreams, obviously. 4 years down the road... 2012 armageddon, anyone?

Im going out on a limb here, but I have had similar dreams for many years. My interest is peaked even more now. I have to say that Nancy is probably just a psychic or seer who ,even though she "chooses not to use her gifts" she really needs to come to terms with them. She should learn to shield out the unwanted forces that she believes are demons. Personally, I dont believe in demons in the Catholic religion sense. I do believe there are entities beyond our physical realm of existence and that they are not always good. Some have bad intentions. If Nancy is sensitive she will be a target. I'd advise looking into different spiritual methods of grounding and centering as well as psychic protection. I know you said she was devout Christian, but Jesus would fight back, too.

edit to add:
If Invocation of Christ's name gives her personal power against an evil entity it would probably work just like a white light or other symbology for others.

[edit on 7-7-2008 by raven bombshell]

does she have any of these symptoms or signs or whatever you want to call them:
* Child-like (regressive) behavior
* Delusions
* Flat affect
* Hallucinations
* Inappropriate laughter
* Not understandable (incoherence)
* Repetitive behaviors
* Social withdrawal
If she has any of these she could have schizophrenia... BUT

taking her to the doctor could make the situation worse. Basically they'll give her some olanzapine and send her on her way.
But for starters if her house is haunted like you say she should probably move and maybe that could help?? a bit..

[edit on 7-7-2008 by kiki9]

Originally posted by mr. wildflowers
Sid and Nancy are pretty sure this a demon, because of the way it reacts when Christ is mentioned. Any thoughts?

...if it reacts in such a way...why hasn't it left yet?

This to me suggests that either Sid or Nancy is consciously/unconsciously keeping that attachment live...that door open...

Originally posted by mr. wildflowers
That's an interesting thought, about Nancy subconcsiously supporting it (Sid's just a mutual friend, and doesn't really have anything to do with it.) I'm sure she's not doing it consiously, because she hates and is terrified of it.

...ahhh...and there lays the rub...

It will be through that fear that the attachment has remained active.

If she has gone through various 'processes' to separate the attachment and to send it on its way...then remaining with fear of its return will be like a self-fulfilling prophecy unfortunately.

Once sent it needs to remain sent. Once the door is closed it needs to remain closed. It remains sent/closed via the person then moving on with their lives and giving no mind to it any more...for to give mind, to give fear is to give over power to it.

It may sound simple - but it can be hard...particularly when the person has experienced such negative/scary events due to it. But thats the long and the short of it unfortunately...fear not and have faith in the process of separation...anything less is just an invitation for it to hang around being a burden.

Cool.

Another thing worthy of mention here is that you say "she hates and is terrified of it".

There again lays a rub.

Any separation of such entities should be with an essence of purity. Hate is one powerful emotion...and its an emotion that certainly sounds like its in the realms of whats bothering her due to the negative/dark energy that is embodied within the emotion of *hate*. In a sense to feel hate for it is playing by its rules.

It will sound so incredibly cliche, but: Counter hate with love. Counter dark with light.

To that end, next time she goes through her processes of moving this burden on - she should try sending it on with love.

Think for a moment (and it may seem somewhat silly to attempt to assign human emotion/motives to a non-human entity)...how tortured that entity must be to spend its time doing these things. How devoid of light it must be to exist in a realm of darkness. To not feel welcomed, to not feel loved, to not feel the warmth of positive interaction.

If anything it doesn't deserve *hate*...rather *love* and compassion.

Those energies and mindsets of love/compassion come from a place of light, of heartfelt consideration for it - despite its actions and the 'trouble' it has been. By showing it love, sending it on its way with compassion, she is also offering it forgiveness - which again is one powerful energy and act.

Show it love. Show it light...show it the way on.


Peace.

Originally posted by mr. wildflowers
I would tell her to try showing it love, but how exactly do you go about showing a demon "love?" I'm guessing flowers and chocolates won't do the trick

Yeah - I'm picking the flowers and chocolates or a nice homecooked meal might be off the agenda.

How do you show love to a demon? Same way you show love to anyone or anything else. Love is an emotion/energy that isn't dependent upon the reciever - rather it rests within the sender.

Despite the burden this entity has been, despite the negativity and/or chaos it has bought to her life...we are all certainly capable of showing love, of feeling love, even for our darkest of enemies.

She could focus her intention into her thoughts as she goes through her processes...consciously and deliberately thinking something like: "I forgive you with love, I send you love, I wish you nothing but peace. Go in love, go with forgiveness, go in peace"

Its that conscious change in direction - in focus - that can be so powerful. Its like switching your game-plan mid-game. It is of course likely the demon would rebuke such a show of love for it, for it is something foriegn to it...but the action and intent still stands. It is a clear show to it that it cannot and will not any longer hold power over her - manipulate and play her.

Once that line is drawn in the sand then it can try and rage all it likes...but it will be blustering without effect...as long as she holds firm to that purity of love, forgiveness, compassion. To harbour ill-will for it is to give over her own power to it.

By giving it all over, all the ill it has done, all the pain/fear it has caused...by giving that over to (again - this will sound sooo cliche) 'to the Light' (*insert whatever belief/definition you hold to*) she also in essence removes herself from the game. And it IS a game these things play...yes they can impart the impression that its a game of high stakes and a game you have no choice but to play...but that is all the mindtricks and tactics of their game. Don't play it. Choice ALWAYS remains. CHOOSE not to play it...choose instead to give it over...give it over to a far greater power. There comes the safety, there comes the coverage.

One of these things greatest ploys is to instill some belief within the person that its an 'Us Vs Them' interaction...pitching the *battle* at a personal/individual level. Don't buy into those tactics...do not personalise it, externalise it...give it over...

JungianQueen: I've asked Sid several times, and Nancy has NEVER been involved in anything her grandfather forced her mother to witness

...theres a whole new kettle of fish there. Its one that is related yes...but somewhat different.

Apologies - I have to actually do some work Heh...surfing the net while at work...so will return to this later.


Peace.

Originally posted by StarShin07
Demons are real, "spiritual" beings that are evil in nature and demeanor. Not everything that happens is from a mental illness or disease.

Thanks starshin, that's exactly the point i've been trying to make. If you have any other info like this, i'd be incredibly happy to hear it :]