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I hear Members of Congress Saying 'If We Could Only Nuke Iran': Ron Paul

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posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:03 PM
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okay, i don't support iran's government... but... WE NEED 2 STOP THEM B4 THEY GET US NUKED



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:05 PM
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WE NEED 2 STOP OUR Government is what i mean. if the people are supposed to rule the y does the government do all theese things to get a big red Target on americas back and let the world aim at us!



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:33 PM
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You said:
"Without getting into the discusion of whether the "establishment" killed MLK or JFK...

There is one big difference - those were men who had achieved. Ron Paul is just a congress critter from Texas."

Comment: If Paul is just a Congress Critter from Texas - how come he's been around for such a long time as an elected representative? Paul might not be the bouncing neo-con cheerleader the rest of the candidates most certainly are - but did it ever occur to any American [knocker of Paul] that is PRECISELY what the States and the world needs - and not another showman selling snake-oil for the benefit of privateering profiteers? If it hasn't - perhaps it should. There's six billion people besides the all important, all impressive, all-right-all-the-time Yanks ... and 300 000 000 fiscal fleas don't deserve to continue ruining the planet solely to keep their Dogs in business. That's - slavery.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:54 PM
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the American governments are playing a deadly game that would cause an automatic world war 3 to the citizens of America do not take part or support this in anyway unless you are ready to face what is yet to come if any nuke was to be dropped over iran america has already given birth to a demon in the middle east



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:59 PM
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Seymour Hersh has a well-researched exposé on this topic in The New Yorker:

www.newyorker.com...

Tarjei



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:59 PM
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I've been to very moderite British Conservative meetings with the US ambassadorial suite. What scares me is the level of anger and rsulting fear in presenting the alternative point of view. I suggested to a friend that I wanted to speak to your embassy senior over this. My friends (practically) dragged me off for my own good. And they were Conservatives too, despite the fact I switched.....



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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Things like this PISS me off i swear if the American government attacks Iran, even though im a patriotic Canadian, im going to fight for the Irani people. Jesus, enough is enough. Why can't people get into their heads specially Americans, that, America was built on the ideologies of the Knights Templar, people who practice witch craft and don't believe in God. They created all World Wars, create hatred between races so we can wipe each other out, they don't give a # about reality. They use us as slaves and when our tax dollars go to them they use that money to live lavishly, and invest in advance secret technology, and spiritual powers, which is our real motive on this planet to wake up everyday, pray and pray, and learn about our souls our oneness and the universe.

Every day we get closer to WW3 and that dream of mine becomes more true that it was God who warned me and who i saw was actually God, and the two Angels. I'm telling everyone, it may not be now or it may be, what ever the case just be ready, and sincerely, i really feel sorry for the American Citizens who are in the wrong place with such an evil government. Not even that the Evil few in the government and so on.


I know for sure as most of you know the day we hear on CNN that Bush announced attack on Iran, doesn't matter where you live everyone is #ed.

If USA attacks Iran, then Russia gets involved, if Russia Gets involved then England & Isreal gets involved,middle east war starts, if that happens Afghans will try to work with India and Attack Pakistan from the North and South, if Pakistan Gets attacked its official WW3, if pakistan gets attack then China & Saudi Arabia gets involved. When they get involved most of France, Germany, and Europe will get involved because they will either have to side with someone or just try protecting their land. And Russia's fall back strategy could be to head east and attacl Alaska and then move from there south into Vancouver Canada, either with Canadian agreement or without. When WARS happen every country takes the advantage of war to conquer land.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 09:23 PM
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The ones who would like to start this war, have a place to hide, we don't. Thats why its easy for them to push it.

This is to start the depopulation here in the US.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 09:59 PM
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Well, I am not shocked, to say the least.

I have seen the writing on the wall for several decades.

I used to vote in my youth. Then I gave up. Nobody I've ever voted for (except Reagan on his second term) won. I loved G.Bush senior when Reagan was running second term. He was sounding so freedom oriented. So strong about conservative values. He gave the speech at the convention. It was something that moved me, honestly. But soon as Reagan's term ended, things took an even more severe turn in this country. Excepting Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. the democrats have been some of the biggest war mongers this country has ever had. But look folks, the Bush's peach up a big story on the front side but then behind closed doors they plan modern society's great demise. Yeah, I gave up a few decades ago when it came to voting. I even gave up the idea of voting during this recent primary.

Oh.... but now I'm changing my tune. Now I'm looking at this election as the most important election in over 100 years. Maybe further back than that. Mark my words here, Obama is not some peace loving pacifist. And McCain, while mostly incompetant, is the wrong idiot/fool to put in the most powerful office on earth. No, we don't have any really good choice between those two.

I remember hearing about Ron Paul a few years ago in a forum I hosted by some Ayn Rand type of objectivists/libertarians. I shook my head. No way will someone like him ever get elected. He'll be assassinated before the final vote. Or, he'll just simply lose. The sad state of affairs here is this country is just another socialist slave state as is most of the rest of the world. The people are worked so hard, they don't even have the where-with-all to truely understand the crux of the matter, let alone get involved. The only people (as a mass segment of society) which are involved are the freeloaders sucking off the system. They are the only ones with the time necessary to get involved and stage themselves at Obama rallys to pass out just when the camera pans their way "Oh, Barack! Wow! What a man! So Inspiring" then they pass out. The only other segment of society thoroughly invested in this process is the media. Need I say any more on that? Think about this a minute.. the freeloaders who can't see it fit to have the backbone or the personal pride to go out into society and make somethign out of their lives and the media who play up to them (for ulterior motives too lengthy to share in this post) are the real motion behind this two party flunk-out of choices we have.

Both Obama and McCain will nuke Iran. BOTH. Ron Paul? Well, he's out of the process now. Some are really sad about that. Okay, but .. there's one more guy.. Bob Barr. And Barr will not allow us to go this course. He's strong. Has a moral fiber the likes of which haven't been seen much in modern politics for at least decades.

So. what I'm saying is, I'm voting this time around. You bet! Oh, I don't even have best wishes anymore. I lost them decades ago. Yeah, Barr will probably lose, but I'm not going down without a fight of some kind and that includes the very weak "vote" of being 1 out of millions and millions of idiots.

I'll be surprized if we get past the next year without an all-out nuclear war and/or 1/2 a loss of the world's population due to some other device of conspiracy.

Stock up on your food, your guns, ammunition, and a find a really good hiding place free from nuclear fallout regions if at all possible. Find your prodigal sons and daughters. Forgive them. Just find them. Bring them home. Be a good neighbor to your good neighbors. Stay small, mobile and well prepared and love each other, and you might survive what's coming next.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 10:36 PM
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they must be giving the kids some kind of sh... in their vaccines so they become very obedient or is it a fluor in the water?



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by ARC22
Things like this PISS me off i swear if the American government attacks Iran, even though im a patriotic Canadian, im going to fight for the Irani people. Jesus, enough is enough. Why can't people get into their heads specially Americans, that, America was built on the ideologies of the Knights Templar, people who practice witch craft and don't believe in God.


All I can say, as an American, is "don't blame me" for the actions of my government, because frankly, they apparently just don't give a d**n what I think. Their approval rating this week was 9%! I've told them multiple times that bombing Iran has to be the stupidest thing we could do, unless they actually wanted the U.S. to get nuked. From the responses it would appear I have a better chance of getting my chickens to not cr*p on the porch than getting Congress to do something that would actually benefit the majority of Americans!

And before you go on about America built on "witch craft" and not "God", I suggest you have a listen to the Bob Hieronimus interview on Unknowncountry.com's Dreamland or check out Bob's book "The United Symbolism of America". It seems to debunk that idea and even provide an alternative theory that our founders knew that we were more than human, and used the symbols in that, more spiritual, frame of mind.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 12:19 AM
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Originally posted by 5seawarrior5
okay, i don't support iran's government... but... WE NEED 2 STOP THEM B4 THEY GET US NUKED


Iran will never Nuke USA. You have to go there to understand, they are very peaceful people, and even more important, they think well before they do anything, they like prosperity, knowledge and investing in Future.

just like how the American Government is screwing with its citizens so is the Irani Government with its people and some other governments too who are mostly pupets, and normal people like us are against any war, and most of their government also realizes that.

Americans are getting paranoid, "nuke them before they nuke us?" listen to yourself, why the hell would anyone Nuke America? everyone knows America is too advanced, a superpower, its all just a greedy agenda to kill most of us useless beings because the elite have enough advance technology to live without sheeps now.

They want to remove the world population so they can start again and with complete world control in a modern way where their kind only exists and ones who are lets just say much smarter, intelligent and have a scientific sort of belief system. They want to get rid of All religions and people of the believing type.

God bless all, Be you American, Canadian, European, Middle eastern or Asian. I wish that i am proved wrong and there are no conspiracy or evil governments or war, i can live with being a joke and found wrong knowing that we all can liye happy and free if thats the case.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 12:24 AM
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I wrote this back in April 14 08 on this site.

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Posted by ancient arrow, on April 14, 2008 at 07:23 GMT

Regardless of what triggers the war. It will happen and we can
easily imagine the aftermath of it.
The world will be in shock over the first nuclear attack on Japan 1945.
It would be very harmful to the economy world wide, just as there was a recession after 9/11.

Israel nuking several Middle Eastern cities would produce fallout in the oil producing region and disrupt oil production.
Even if that was completely avoided, Iran has threatened to disrupt oil flow if attacked.
She plans to torpedo oil tankers going through the straight of Hormuz where one quarter of the worlds oil supply passes.
The result either way would be a major energy crunch worldwide.
The global economy will be hurt with temporarily higher energy prices.

Jerome Corsi claims that sleeper cell Hezbollah agents exist in America ready to strike targets on American soil,
perhaps with low yield nuclear weapons, in defense of Iran. This could seriously constrict the US and the world economy even worse than 9/11 did.
A similar 'emaciation' of Americas economic health,or recession,happened from the 1973 oil embargo in retaliation for America helping Israel in the Yom Kippur war.

BOOOOOMMMM!



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by seircram

Originally posted by ARC22
Things like this PISS me off i swear if the American government attacks Iran, even though im a patriotic Canadian, im going to fight for the Irani people. Jesus, enough is enough. Why can't people get into their heads specially Americans, that, America was built on the ideologies of the Knights Templar, people who practice witch craft and don't believe in God.


All I can say, as an American, is "don't blame me" for the actions of my government, because frankly, they apparently just don't give a d**n what I think. Their approval rating this week was 9%! I've told them multiple times that bombing Iran has to be the stupidest thing we could do, unless they actually wanted the U.S. to get nuked. From the responses it would appear I have a better chance of getting my chickens to not cr*p on the porch than getting Congress to do something that would actually benefit the majority of Americans!

And before you go on about America built on "witch craft" and not "God", I suggest you have a listen to the Bob Hieronimus interview on Unknowncountry.com's Dreamland or check out Bob's book "The United Symbolism of America". It seems to debunk that idea and even provide an alternative theory that our founders knew that we were more than human, and used the symbols in that, more spiritual, frame of mind.


no no no, i don't blame any citizen of America that would be ignorant of me, like in any case its the leader of a team whos to blame because they have the power to make decisions, i actually feel very bad for the citizens of America, that their own evil government would do that to them.

i guess we are living in the times of a new revolution, people power VS the evil elite, but i have to clarify i do not believe all of the elite are evil, every thing has its good and bad, it just that who ever has the power, either good or bad is whats seen by us.

Thanks for the link i will definitely check this out.

Thank you.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by ancient arrow
I wrote this back in April 14 08 on this site.

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Posted by ancient arrow, on April 14, 2008 at 07:23 GMT

Regardless of what triggers the war. It will happen and we can
easily imagine the aftermath of it.
The world will be in shock over the first nuclear attack on Japan 1945.
It would be very harmful to the economy world wide, just as there was a recession after 9/11.

Israel nuking several Middle Eastern cities would produce fallout in the oil producing region and disrupt oil production.
Even if that was completely avoided, Iran has threatened to disrupt oil flow if attacked.
She plans to torpedo oil tankers going through the straight of Hormuz where one quarter of the worlds oil supply passes.
The result either way would be a major energy crunch worldwide.
The global economy will be hurt with temporarily higher energy prices.

Jerome Corsi claims that sleeper cell Hezbollah agents exist in America ready to strike targets on American soil,
perhaps with low yield nuclear weapons, in defense of Iran. This could seriously constrict the US and the world economy even worse than 9/11 did.
A similar 'emaciation' of Americas economic health,or recession,happened from the 1973 oil embargo in retaliation for America helping Israel in the Yom Kippur war.

BOOOOOMMMM!


Im glad you brought this up

You know whats scary about all of this?

Knowing in the previous WW only one nuclear bomb was dropped to cause world devastation and fear, im saying boy are we screwed if a WW happens now, just imagine the impact on the World if Isreal uses a Nuke, Iran uses a Nuke, Pakistan Uses a Nuke, America uses a Nuke, Russia uses a Nuke, India uses a Nuke , the Terrorist use a Nuke, even if one gets the advantage over another nation to send the nuke first what if that Nuke hits 60 Nukes in one Nuclear facility ? how big will that thing blow?



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 02:49 AM
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You know, i read MOST of this thread. There is a distinct pattern of people NOT liking what is going on and absolutely apposing what is going on.

The sad thing is it is not just an AMERICAN thing anymore because it isn't ONLy affecting the American people but the GLOBAL population.

What i see and hear is "The Americans this, The Americans that..." I have friends who are American and it isn't THEM... It's the leaders that are doing this that also happen to be AMERICAN. I don't blame AMERICANS i blame their government.

2012?? No, NOT the end of the world but i DO hope a new level of understanding because it appears that as soon as someone leads a country they lose ALL understanding of EVERYTHING - most importantly FAMILY!!

They wrought their agendas on HUMANITY as a whole, because it ultimately affects us ALL - NOT just Americans. Unfortunately it is good to write about it on ATS and vent BUT why are people not banding together and STANDING together rather than sitting in an easy chair and saying "WHY isn't ANYONE doing something about this??!!" (no need to answer)

The truth is WE ARE ANYONE!! And noone is ANYONE on their own! The government sees to that.

What will they do against a million Americans marching to the white house?

Ah well... here i am on the internet... I am making NO difference to the situation this way - nor can i from 15000kms away.

But, I say it again, IT'S not the AMERICANS! It's the leadership and it won't stop anytime soon until they are lifted up, like little naughty kids, by the colar or the ear and given a DAMN fine smack!! And told "NOW BEHAVE LIKE THE PEOPLE WE ELECTED TO LEAD yes LEAD US"...

ok i'm done



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 03:45 AM
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I will personally go to Iran and teach them how to manufacture a counter rotating empc with tesla rod projectiles and how to speed up their nuclear enrichnment process so as to park a bomb and detonate it in Dallas Texas. I #ing hate you baby boomers. You are all trash and a disgrace to western civilization. Everything you say and do is downs syndrome retarded. # off and retire or lets do this because I'm not joking. # YOU BABY BOOMED # LIKE OBLONGA MEDULLA all rocked out on #ty '___'.

PS: iranian.com search for "Michael Odegard"



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 05:17 AM
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Alex Jones is a government official. Its been proven. He is going to get in on bad stuff but its the stuff he isn't telling you that you need to be worried about. Alex Jones is great for uncovering blanket government but you have to look harder to find the really messed up stuff. Iran is a problem but just wait until the huge war and billions of people die.

The olympics haven't been canceled yet but I am waiting.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 06:33 AM
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Yep, ole Ron Paul says something, and the idiots actually believe him.

So what if some congressman actually did say something like that? Congress does NOT have any say in such matters. There are all kinds of Congressmen, from ultra-liberals that wouldn't defend this country under any circumstances, to those that want to nuke anyone that doesn't agree with us 100% of the time.

Big deal.

Ron Paul has his own agenda. he wants to bring down the Republican President, and wants to see a totally Libertarian country. He knows that this won't happen, so he gets on the radio and makes charge after charge after charge.

He is an idiot, working hard to rise to the level of moron. And those that believe everything he says are dupes.



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