I just spent yesterday with a lot of friends. The discussion turned to the upcoming election, and I noticed something very surprising.

EVERY person there said they liked Obama LESS now than in February. Several Obama supporters said they wished now Clinton would be the candidate.

So this made me wonder something:

Does anybody here like Obama more now than you did before?

I used to like Obama. What started making me dislike him was how his campaign started to interject race into the campaign over and over. I thought the whole "race" speech was a contrived political stunt. Next came the comments about the white middle-class voters being bitter and clinging to their guns and religion, and not liking people who didn't look like them. Then came the "typical white" comments about his grandmother.

When he started I thought his whole vision was to have a united America, but then as time went on it seemed like he himself was unable to see people as people, but only through the filter of their skin color.

It's also important that the "bitter" comment wasn't intended for the public. I think it speaks volumes to hear this is how Obama thinks when he's in back-room meetings and not speaking publicly.

And then there was the hypocrisy and the backtracking on issue after issue. Campaign finance, FISA, and immediately removing the troops from Iraq come to mind.

And then there's the issue of his campaign being run by the most entrenched Washington insiders in the business -all while Obama preaches that he represents a "different kind of politics." Nope. Wrong. It's the same politics with a different wrapper. The only difference is Obama has the audacity to CLAIM he's different.

As time wore on, it became more and more apparent that Obama stands for nothing and everything at the same time.

So just out of curiosity, what do other people think? Do you like Obama more or less now, and why?

i like him the same

i never liked him for the reasons you throw at us so many times.
I dont think he's god
i dont think he's a messiah

i think he's a politician and i always have, as well as millions of other people

in fact!!! IN february i was just like you - 100% against Obama, for almost identical reasons you support, jamie.

Until i did my own investigations and figured thigns out on my own, instead of going off a friends' opinion who happens to be a disgruntled Hillary supporter

Clinton .. just no
and McCain's temper will incinerate us all in nuclear-style heat waves

We can set around and say "ohh i want _______ candidate"
fine, thats great

but this forum is "2008 election" oriented, we have two REAL choices

McCain
and
Obama

you can 'write in' if you want. You're not wasting your vote, but its worth about as much as a republican vote during the nomination race for McCain

Obama is the man for the job

Republicans had 8 years to do what they could w/ the country
the only reason Bush got re-elected is because John Kerry was the best oppponent that the democrats could have put up against him.

Its time for a change in 'thought process' from republican to democrat



[edit on 7/5/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]

[edit on 7/5/2008 by Andrew E. Wiggin]

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
i like him the same

i never liked him for the reasons you throw at us so many times.
I dont think he's god
i dont think he's a messiah

i think he's a politician and i always have, as well as millions of other people

You make a good point. The problem was I was gullible enough to start with to really think he was different. I'm being totally serious. Being so disgusted with both parties, I truly believed that Obama was different. When I realized he was just playing whatever cards he could to win the nomination, I realized that a guy with little experience becoming popular just by telling people what they wanted to hear.

I only liked Obama because he was defeating Hillary.
Now that he seems to have his nomination tied up, I do not like him too much.
What I do, when I see him on TV is superimpose Bush's face over his.
I imagine he is about as independent as Bush is.
I see him as following external dictates, like Bush.
So, it makes me see him as just a smoother version of Bush.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
I only liked Obama because he was defeating Hillary.
Now that he seems to have his nomination tied up, I do not like him too much.
What I do, when I see him on TV is superimpose Bush's face over his.
I imagine he is about as independent as Bush is.
I see him as following external dictates, like Bush.
So, it makes me see him as just a smoother version of Bush.

It's funny you mention Bush and Obama together. I vividly remember liking Bush in 2000 because he claimed he wanted to unite the country. Yeah, right.

Same old, same old as they say.

I also find it interesting how few, if any, seem to like Obama more now. He doesn't seem like the type of person who grows on people.

I'm about the same on Obama as before. I don't agree fully with his FISA position etc. but I understand why he's doing it.

McCain now, he's just gone on a downward spiral since 2000.

Safe to say - Had McCain been elected in 2000, our country would be much better off. Unfortunately the McCain of now is not the same guy.

Obama is way too left or Marxist. This is a Capitalist free nation with Corporate Facism or not, the last thing America needs is a Marxist government and new constitution.

It would squelch competition and livelyhood. If Obama were to have his way, everything would be government owned and operated. With himself as the dictator, of course.

The quality of service and products go down the shytter so to speak.

These investment banks and energy companies think they too can own everything and everyone. They want to be at the top of that Communist heirarchy with everyone working and answering to them.

The Clintons, Bushes and Obamas are all on the same NWO team. Each just has a slightly different model they want. Obama wants the Communist NWO model as do Clintons, but Bushes want the Corporate Facism NWO model. Most in both parties want NWO.

The problem is, so does China. The third World War will be between the SuperPowers for who gets control of the world government.

In other words, China does not want to answer to the US over viceversa. There is no even ground.

The even ground and playing field is now with each country having its own control!!

The key to power with any nation starts with economy first and foremost. Economy creates the sophisticated military and tech advances.

The US is trying to downsize much too soon thinking China is playing their game. How foolish they are and have been for so long. China is in the game for itself and the US is only now starting to realize it 20 years too late.

Once America goes, the free world is gone, welcome to Socialism and becoming another "number" in some program.



[edit on 5-7-2008 by jetxnet]

Although Obama is neither socialist nor Marxist, perhaps it would be better if America was socialist...

The eleven countries rated with a higher standard of living than America are all far more "socialist" than this country is, mostly in regard to health care and transportation.

1. Iceland
2. Norway
3. Australia
4. Canada
5. Ireland
6. Sweden
7. Switzerland
8. Japan
9. Netherlands
10. France
11. Finland

All of these nations have universal health care systems and are very socialized compared to the Unites States. Why are you so afraid of having a higher standard of living?

[edit on 5-7-2008 by evanmontegarde]

Although Obama is neither socialist nor Marxist, perhaps it would be better if America was socialist...

You couldn't be more wrong about that.

Those countries you mention are not very successful economically speaking, albeit Japan.

Also, these countries only have half the population or less than the United States. It is much easier to provide more quality healthcare at the universal level for less people.

What has set America apart from other nations is economic success. These types of programs squelch competition, drive down the economy and reduce quality and service across the board.



[edit on 5-7-2008 by jetxnet]

I like him more.

As I learn more about him, and pay more attention, I find I disagree with him on several issues.

But my overall respect for the man continues, so far, to increase.

I think that this may be related to his inexperience. We have nothing other than an inspiring speech or two to fall back on when negative stuff comes out. No large political battles in the Senate that he championed nothing in the past to say "well he just put his foot in his mouth bigtime but remember what hid did with i.e. healthcare?". He's has so little background that we all know that anything new and negative that comes out is a large percentage of the total Obama package.

At one point I saw Obama as a viable candidate, but no longer. I've seen he's no different than Clinton or McCain. He's just as willing to say or do whatever's necessary to win the election. It's the nature of politicians to do so.

There are a few exception, and I do mean a few. Ron Paul is such an exception, but he was quickly marginalized and labeled a nut by the media. Americans being the brain-washed sheep they've become, wholeheartedly believed them.

I think Barack Obama rather than bringing Hope, Change, and Unity to this country has shown he stand's for Despair, more of the same, and racial divisiveness.

The majority of blacks are voting for him simply because he's black, idealist white's vote for him out of a distorted sense of white guilt or fear of being labeled racists by their friends and neighbors.

People no longer look into their own hearts to decide what's right or wrong, they follow the ignorant masses like lemmings, on a relentless march to their own destruction.

I find Obama no more or less likable than I did when I first heard his name. He is just another bureaucrat who dances to the tugs on the strings he hangs from.

Until we renounce party politics and force politicians to run independent of party platforms and special interest money, each election, each candidate will be the same as the last and the next four or eight years, no better than those we just passed through.

To answer the question, I like him about the same as time goes on. I disagree with him on a few things, but I have grown to RESPECT him more as time goes on. I like that he doesn't "toe the party line" with his positions on the death penalty, abortion and faith-based social help. He isn't a tool of Democrats. He does what he thinks is right and whether you're a Democrat or Republican, if you don't like that, that's really kind of too bad. He doesn't try to please all the people all the time. And I like that. I respect that.

Do the American people really want a on the job training President? That's a scary thought in my opinion, especially when the well-being and safety of my family and every other person in the country is dependent upon his choices.

When your work car breaks down do you want a mechanic's helper doing the diagnosis and repair, or a Certified Master Mechanic? For my money I want the best, not a mediocre second.

Originally posted by LLoyd45
Do the American people really want a on the job training President? That's a scary thought in my opinion, especially when the well-being and safety of my family and every other person in the country is dependent upon his choices.

If he comes to the position that I agree with instead of the alternative that I don't, then absolutely I will take a less experienced candidate that gets it right over a more experienced one that doesn't.

When your work car breaks down do you want a mechanic's helper doing the diagnosis and repair, or a Certified Master Mechanic? For my money I want the best, not a mediocre second.

This is a bad analogy. You make it sound like he will be out on his own all by himself. In reality he will have many advisers just like any other candidate would. The difference is he will he make the right choices without having to payback favors to lobbyists, and will make them for the good of the people. Isn't that what we all want?