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Polish president sell out to new EU

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posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 06:53 AM
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Polish president sell out to new EU


news.xinhuanet.com

Polish President Lech Kaczynski has told French President Nicolas Sarkozy that Poland will not block ratification of a European Union reform treaty


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posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 06:53 AM
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He seems to have changed his tune pretty quickly! Must've cracked under the pressure.

Last week!
"The Polish president said earlier this week it would be "pointless" to sign the Lisbon treaty after it was rejected by Irish voters in a referendum on June 12 and that Warsaw would not ratify it unless Ireland managed to overcome its voters' opposition to it."

Now it seems that it is just Ireland and the Czech republic that are against..
With a combined population of just 5% of the Eu, i think our leaders will also cave seeing as pressure is still mounting from the Eurocrats for continued ratification even though it goes against the fundamentals of the treaty.

Now that France have control of the presidency, we can only wait and see what happens.....
Seeing as this is the french commissioner's cryptic approach to the Lisbon problems - .."we are trying to make this an opportunity - it's what you call English pragmatism".. and that one of his main objectives is to create the basis for the new Eu army, it will make for an interesting period which i for one will be watching carefully.

I feel that over the next year, there are many hidden agenda's which will be blatantly publicized under a guise of "security", "common interest" and "economic policy" proposals. Especially if the French policy towards the Israel/middle east issue spreads to the top end Eu leadership.


news.xinhuanet.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 16/06/08 by Dermo]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 11:14 AM
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It's sickening!

Has the Polish leader been bought? It's a serious question.

Why are they so keen to force this through?! In a democracy, you ask once, and get one answer. You don't negotiate your way to an answer you want (a la Ireland).

We in the UK didn't get a chance to vote - that right was taken from us. The reason that right was taken from us is because they know the majority don't want it, and we'd say "NO". The same is true for France and the Netherlands.

Can't people see what is happening here??? We're having our countries STOLEN from us. This isn't a democracy at all.

It's also a sign of what EUROPE wants. Europe isn't about a group of countries working together, or free trade etc.. - it's about a few having control of the many. If it was truly for the "greater good" and it didn't have ulterior motives for its existence, they'd respect the peoples vote.

Why does Europe think it needs to exist anyway? We were doing fine before - now we give Billions a year to them, and get nothing in return, except stupid laws that say our bananas must be straight etc.. and other laws that simply cost money to implement and actually don't do anything at all.

As a result of Europe, we can't close our borders and kick these terrorists and other undesirables out of our country as it could "breach their human rights".

I'm all for telling Europe to get lost. You don't need to have something like Europe for countries to simply agree to do trade. To suggest otherwise is pure BS.

[edit on 5-7-2008 by mirageofdeceit]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by mirageofdeceit
Can't people see what is happening here??? We're having our countries STOLEN from us. This isn't a democracy at all.

You dont say? Modern "democracy" is just despotism of the elite. Sure we vote a party in... But they do whatever they want afterwards.

Having votes at all is just the highest degree of irony. Didnt the vote turn out like the politicians wanted? Either call it "advisory" or do it again until you do vote what they want you to vote.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 11:43 AM
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I extend the same condolences to the our Polish friends as I extended to the UK, (who were deprived of their plebiscite, their 'voice' in the matter.)

The unification game they are playing is driven by the goal of unhindered commerce, wanton profit, excess power, zero liability, and unaccountability.

As long as those who posture themselves as 'above the law' and 'beyond the reach of the 'common people' are treated as such, they will not stop.

The global market is doomed to failure, but they will not heed the warnings until they have attempted every measure to impose their plan. Sad. And we (the Americans) are on the brink of being 'next.'

[edit on 5-7-2008 by Maxmars]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 12:14 PM
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Excellent news.

Europe is the way forward. Ireland should not be allowed to stand in the way of a much greater project. That's not democracy. That's less than half a million people in one of the smallest EU countries blocking the development and progress of the rest of Europe.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 12:24 PM
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Originally posted by Euroche
That's less than half a million people in one of the smallest EU countries blocking the development and progress of the rest of Europe.


No thats less than half a million people that know what the hell they're talking about.

The European Union is not meant to develop and progress Europe. It is meant to erase the borders of European nations, write one constitution that trumps all national constitutions and centralize power with one or a powerful few for easier control over the continent's population.

Step away from the television and do some research.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 12:55 PM
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If this treaty is ratified, it will be the ruin of Europe and its peoples. They will be under the thumb of a true despotic governing body and any freedoms you once had will disolve into caos!

Zindo



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:04 PM
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No thats less than half a million people that know what the hell they're talking about.


That's a load of crap.



The European Union is not meant to develop and progress Europe. It is meant to erase the borders of European nations, write one constitution that trumps all national constitutions and centralize power with one or a powerful few for easier control over the continent's population.


Well if its not meant to develop and progress Europe it's certainly done a good job inadvertantly. The Irish know this all too well. The spanish, greeks, polish and eastern european countries are all benefiting from European investment.

Personally i think erasing European borders is an excellent development. The nation state as we know it is devolving and has been for some time.

Those who rally against Europe are simply backward peasants with no vision of the future.



Step away from the television and do some research.


Maybe you should step away from the Sun newspaper and think for yourself.

Europe is the way forward for this country. Every European government knows this. It's going to happen and greater centralisation will continue to happen.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:53 PM
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Originally posted by Euroche
Excellent news.

Europe is the way forward.


Well last time I checked we got shafted and had to give up on our currency, to be replaced by the "great" Euro that meant that I got half the salary I used to but somehow all prices stayed almost the same..



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 02:09 PM
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Well if its not meant to develop and progress Europe it's certainly done a good job inadvertently. The Irish know this all too well.

HA! That's a joke.

Ireland had over £32 Billion (oh, sorry - €32 Billion) thrown at it. After they've joined Europe (i.e. by signing the Treaty) they're very likely to lose this, and in fact, be GIVING money to Europe (like we are).

We give Billions a year to them, and yet had to ask nicely to get £100 Million back after the floods! If the money we keep giving Europe was put in a special account for "rainy days" like the flooding problem, we'd be far better off.

For the Polish President to change his mind so rapidly means only one thing: they gave him an offer HE couldn't refuse.

[edit on 5-7-2008 by mirageofdeceit]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 02:22 PM
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You could always have the Germans realize that they are supporting all of Europe.
They might get sick of it and decide to take the shiny new Euro-army and just kill everyone else.
The best hope of stopping the centralization is for people to realize that they are paying for it.
Germans are already sick of it and the UK is probably concerned about their own country.
My point is that there is a reason for there being countries and nations, so they can look out for their own people.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 03:51 PM
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“Those who rally against Europe are simply backward peasants with no vision of the future.”

Ah the peasant and the future of the Party. Of course the proles have no understanding of the greater glory and strength that Eurasia will bring. They do not have the independence of thought to see that an all powerful block of power is the only way to resist the power of America and China. It is better that they are kept weak; obviously peasants cannot understand such complex issues. Patriotism is the enemy of Eurasia because it hinders it’s strive for power, but it wants an army. If the Russians invade will it call on patriotic fervour? Of course it will.

The Irish will be bought or ignored and the socialist march to power will continue while the proles lament the loss of everything that meant anything in favour of a lie, a deceit brought upon hundreds of millions. Only the Left could be so vicious.

Eunuch will get his place in the outer party.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 04:05 PM
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Originally posted by mirageofdeceit

Well if its not meant to develop and progress Europe it's certainly done a good job inadvertently. The Irish know this all too well.

HA! That's a joke.

Ireland had over £32 Billion (oh, sorry - €32 Billion) thrown at it. After they've joined Europe (i.e. by signing the Treaty) they're very likely to lose this, and in fact, be GIVING money to Europe (like we are).


And?

What's wrong with that. Ireland got money from welthier nations who helped it develop and prosper. Now that they are rich they get to help other nations to reach a similar standard. I see nothing wrong with this.

It increases the prosperity of Europe. It creates new consumers; reduces poverty and various other problems such as immigrants, lax borders and illegal immigration.

Not only that but this increase in prosperity feeds back to us in the forms of imports and investment.



We give Billions a year to them, and yet had to ask nicely to get £100 Million back after the floods! If the money we keep giving Europe was put in a special account for "rainy days" like the flooding problem, we'd be far better off.


I don't think so. We'd just be an irrelevent little Island to be bullied by world powers.

Without the EU we are a non-entity.



For the Polish President to change his mind so rapidly means only one thing: they gave him an offer HE couldn't refuse.
[edit on 5-7-2008 by mirageofdeceit]


No doubt.

Poland really isn't in a position to oppose the treaty given the fact that our money is helping them develop. If you want to ride the gravy train in Europe you should expect to follow a certain track.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
My point is that there is a reason for there being countries and nations, so they can look out for their own people.


The nation state is coming to an end.

The future will be dominated by unions of states. The EU is the trail blazer.
Mercosur is another interesting development.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 04:11 PM
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this news from the start is completely untrue...president Kaczynski still holds, every paper in the world critisize Him, Sarkozy issues one after another diplomatic notes...be sure he will not ratify the treaty antytime soon...this article is taken from the air (Chinese news??), there's no that kind of report in Poland...i just read Hungarian (!) paper says polish president is a pest (along with Czech's president), that kind of dialogue we will have in the next few weeks...Lisbon Treaty is a joke, more than 50% in France is against, same as in Germany...



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 04:25 PM
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I think two countries, or a group of countries can have free trade without a treaty, establishing a government over it.
I think all the treaties America signed should be burned.
(just keep the ones we forced our defeated enemies to sign)
I do not remember us loosing a war.
A treaty is something a loosing party signs.
The winners do not need to sign c**P!
You all just lost the war, without ever lifting a finger to defend yourself.
At least Ireland understands what freedom means.
The rest of you are total losers.
(sorry, not really, if your government did not even let you vote)


[edit on 5-7-2008 by jmdewey60]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 04:42 PM
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Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by Euroche
 


I think two countries, or a group of countries can have free trade without a treaty, establishing a government over it.
I think all the treaties America signed should be burned.
(just keep the ones we forced our defeated enemies to sign)
I do not remember us loosing a war.
A treaty is something a loosing party signs.
The winners do not need to sign c**P!
You all just lost the war, without ever lifting a finger to defend yourself.
At least Ireland understands what freedom means.
The rest of you are total losers.
(sorry, not really, if your government did not even let you vote)


[edit on 5-7-2008 by jmdewey60]


I find it especially strange that Americans are so anti the idea of Europe considering that the US is pretty much a similar idea at a very much advanced stage.

The days of empire are over. There are no real superpowers in Europe. The collective power of Europe and its resulting prosperity is greater than anything any one individual state can muster.

How funny that you talk about how Ireland understands freedom despite them being bumped from poverty to prosperity by generous EU development funds.

Your whole idea about America is exactly why you arefaultering now. It thought it could go it alone; and is now realising that it can't.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 06:08 PM
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Originally posted by Euroche
Personally i think erasing European borders is an excellent development. The nation state as we know it is devolving and has been for some time.

Those who rally against Europe are simply backward peasants with no vision of the future.



Originally posted by Euroche
Europe is the way forward for this country. Every European government knows this. It's going to happen and greater centralisation will continue to happen.


Who paid you to spew this crap on ATS?



Originally posted by Euroche
Maybe you should step away from the Sun newspaper and think for yourself.


Oh yes. I'm talking about the centralization of powers to bring about a one world government more efficiently, yet I follow a newspaper that I don't even read that is owned by Rupert Murdoch.


Please think before you make a statement like that. And do some research on the European Union.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by Euroche
Excellent news.

Europe is the way forward. Ireland should not be allowed to stand in the way of a much greater project. That's not democracy. That's less than half a million people in one of the smallest EU countries blocking the development and progress of the rest of Europe.


Ireland should in fact be left stand in the way of "progress"....why i hear you ask..well its simple...thats the way the system works, it was voted on and ratified by all member states! I am very pro-europe and i believe this treaty is the way forward but to suggest that one country blocking the rest isnt fair when in fact it was previously agreed thats the way things work (nice treaty) is utter stuipidity on your or any one elses part who thinks like that!




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