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Are Catholics Christian?

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posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 09:52 AM
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I've also had this argument many times and yes all catholics are christian. To explain make believe christianity is at the top of the chart, you would then have branches of religion that come off of christianity such at protestant, baptist, and catholic. Each branched off religion just has different rules and a different focus of their teachings. Anyone who doesn't believe me or simply just disagrees look up the definitions for catholic/baptist/ and protestant then look up the definition for christian.




posted on Jul, 18 2008 @ 08:30 PM
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I would think “Christians” would be servants of Christ. This is not the case with Catholicism. This system was created from the cults of Rome to provide coronation for Satan, it is a False Flag operation:



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be sure and check out part 2 on the above.

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Even worse than the above Catholicism is singularly preventing the return of the Son of God by preventing His worship among His people! It is the system that has branded hate of all Christians among most Jews:

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I have and do continue to love many Catholics. They are all troubled and not spiritually at peace. What a far better world this would be and what a far happier ending would be the end of this age if all followers would leave that organization.

Consider the evil and sorrows committed by the Santeria from within the shadows of the Catholic Order. Are they also Christians? They will say they are even though Jesus represents the Orisha Chango to them.

As Jesus would say, Shalom.



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 02:11 AM
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Consider the Messiah crucified.



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 09:00 AM
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I consider it the Roman occupying military that crucified Yeshua (Jesus) the Rabbi!

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Let us all consider Yeshua / Jesus and His continuing life:


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posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 02:17 PM
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posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 02:29 PM
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I was brought up in a church that, at hearing the name of it, to many people, the first thing that comes to mind is, "Those people who hate Catholics".
So, I am pretty much inoculated to all those videos, linked to above.
It is not this big revelation that makes me suddenly horrified.(having been taught all those points, since early childhood)
I think there is an institution that uses the name of God to do wicked things.
That is nothing new.
Abraham lived in the land of Sumer and was told to leave.(a false ste religion)
The religious Jews left Babylon.
We should leave Babylon, ourselves.
Solomon could be considered the anti-Christ, according to some of the evidence presented.
A lot of people in the Bible have names based on different names of gods.
A crises is coming, having to do with a wold wide government.
If past history is an indication, I would predict the current Pope would lend his name to legitimizing this government.
All Christians, and not just the Catholics will be faced with a choice.
Anyone who thinks they are better off because they belong to a non-Catholic church, will be shocked when their leaders join in.
So, attacking only Catholics is useless, in my opinion.
We all need to look at our own beliefs, very closely.
Knocking someone else's beliefs does ourselves no good.


[edit on 19-7-2008 by jmdewey60]



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 02:58 PM
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"A crises is coming, having to do with a wold wide government.
If past history is an indication, I would predict the current Pope would lend his name to legitimizing this government."

I have studied the evolution of the NWO for the past fifteen years. Its servant is Freemasonry, and the Catholic Church is its deadliest enemy. If one were to read papal encyclicals of recent years one would find grave warnings of the rise of secularism. The Catholic Church has been aware of the machinations of the Illuminati for hundreds of years. They were behind the French Revolution, in which the Catholic Church was persecuted, and have been responsible for the 'perpetual revolution'. They are anti-Christ, Satan's earthly government. They are controlled by a group of apostate Jews, a body which the New York organisation Jews against Zionism recognise as essentially satanic. I have read and heard so many misguided accusations that the Catholic Church is part of the NWO and can only admire the cunning of the disinformation specialists who employ the dictum of Lenin, "Always accuse your enemiesof being what you in fact are."



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 03:08 PM
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You may be right, but how are they fighting the Freemasons, exactly?
Could they win by making the Pope the official religious head of the NWO?
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BTW for anyone watching 666 videos, the actual "Beast of Revelation" is World Empire, centered in Rome.
There are a couple of other entities mentioned, but they are either taking advantage of, or enabling the Beast.


[edit on 19-7-2008 by jmdewey60]



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 06:14 PM
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"You may be right, but how are they fighting the Freemasons, exactly?
Could they win by making the Pope the official religious head of the NWO?
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BTW for anyone watching 666 videos, the actual "Beast of Revelation" is World Empire, centered in Rome.
There are a couple of other entities mentioned, but they are either taking advantage of, or enabling the Beast."

The first way in which Freemasonry is fought is in forbidding Christians to be enrolled in Masonic Lodges. Freemasonry is a pantheistic religion. Members are free to offer worship to any pagan god, and during the Third Degree ceremony to induct a member as a 'Master Mason' the candidate is given God's 'secret holy name' a blasphemous title, a composite of Yaweh, Baal, and Osiris, rendered as Juhbalom. Abert Pike, responsible for The New Palladian Rite of Scottish Rite Freemasonry, in a written correspondence to Freemasons of 32nd. Degree and higher, information that was to be hidden from members of the lower degrees, praised the "god whom we truly worship, Lucifer the god of Light." To those who progress to the highest level of Masonry, their real 'god' is revealed.

High degree Freemasons are to be found at the highest level of government politics worldwide, and legislate during tenure of Office to further the goal of the creation of a tyrranical one-world government which we know as the NWO.

Freemasonry has infiltrated every government, and every religious body. It is a Trojan Horse, its members undermining secular government, and sowing discord and confusion in churches. There are hidden Freemasons in the Roman Curia, the Vatican civil service. Cardinal Ortega of Spain was comissioned by the late JP II to investigate. He informed the Pope that approximately one third of its members were Freemasons. I was personally told of this by a Spanish priest. I wondered why John Paul II did not expose them and root them out. I found my answer in Holy Scripture, in Jesus' parable of the sowing of the tares by an enemy. It may have did more damage to the Church by a public expose of these fifth columnists. I also recalled the prudence of the saying,' keep your friends close, but your enemies closer still'. The Communists, controlled by the same world rulers, were encouraged to enter seminary training. Dr. Bella Dodd, who was prominent in the American Communist Party, until her religious conversion, has revealed this method of infiltration, hence we now see the fruits of the seeds that have been sown, the corruption of teaching, and the encouragement of some badly formed priests to lead dissolute lives. There exists nests of homosexual and paedophile networks in not only the Catholic Church but in many other Christian denominations and congregations. We must pray for God's grace to fall upon these people, to see with spiritual eyes the grave error of their sin.



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 06:39 PM
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Could they win by making the Pope the official religious head of the NWO?

Only an apostate Pope would become the religious head of the NWO. As a Catholic, I believe that The Holy Spirit guides the conclave of cardinals when it elects a Pope. Many years ago, I believe it was during the earlier part of the 20th. century a Cardinal who was both a hidden Freemason and a strong candidate for the papacy was prevented from being elected to the papacy due to the diligence of a French priest. He had discovered the Cardinal's secret, and tried to inform the conclave that was then in session. This was impossible to do, as there are very strict rules governing a papal conclave, and once the doors of the Sistine Chapel are closed no one can gain entry. The priest informed a superior of the dillema, and it looked a hopeless case. It was discovered that a remedy did exist. For some strange reason, strange because temporal princes are not allowed to bring influence to bear in a papal election, there existed a veto for any candidate which could be invoked by the monarch of Austria. Hastily, the Austrian monarch was informed of the situation, and exercised that veto against the Masonic Cardinal.



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 07:44 PM
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I hate to tell you this but none of this is reassuring to me.
I do not get a feeling of confidence from reading any of your last two posts.
I am kind of with you, as far as hoping for the best and that God will grace these people to turn to the right path, meaning, not to just blindly hate everything about the Church.
I wonder if you have ever read the late Father Malachi Martin.
He was rather pessimistic about the whole thing.
He thought that once JP II died, the gates of hell would open, so to speak.
All those infiltrating forces were going to gain the advantage, somehow.

[edit on 19-7-2008 by jmdewey60]



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 08:35 PM
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That is a possible scenario, but if it were to arise it does not alter the fact that God is always in control. Even if our wost fears are realised, whatever happens will not change God's plan of salvation. The disciples of Jesus, during His passion, must have felt everything they believed and hoped in was being destroyed, and yet it was actually the event that would open the gates of heaven to mankind. God brings good out of every situation, has infinite knowledge of all that was and will be, and reassures us in the apocalyptic writings that if we should shed our blood and suffer for His name then our reward will be beyond earthly comprehension.



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 12:03 PM
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As for Free Masonry it’s origin is in a hand full of Jews that protected the treasures of the temple including the outer writings removed by Mosses (Moshe) from Egypt.

For the story of Jacques de Molay here is the
Long:
en.wikipedia.org...

and the short of it:
www.jacquesdemolay.org...

For the truth about the Shroud of Turin, yet another artifact used by the Catholic Church in her lies to cover her true past:
www.bbc.co.uk...

Matthew 7:16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
Matthew 12:33 "Either make the tree good and its fruit good, or make the tree bad and its fruit bad; for the tree is known by its fruit. (NASB ©1995)

From bible.cc...

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International Standard Version (©2008)
because every tree is known by its own fruit. People don't gather figs from thorny plants or pick grapes from a thorn bush.
New American Standard Bible (©1995)
"For each tree is known by its own fruit. For men do not gather figs from thorns, nor do they pick grapes from a briar bush.
GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
Each tree is known by its fruit. You don't pick figs from thorny plants or grapes from a thornbush.
King James Bible
For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

Jefferson had the best idea to reference what our LORD said on matters. He used it often. If only in this age we could recreate his effort with what is on hand today.


The Lord sets in disappointment due to a small harvest despite the rain.



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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I watched the BBC programme a number of years ago, it was totally biased and flawed. I will post a youtube link for you to watch that contains irrefutable evidence of the shroud's provenance and authenticity.



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 01:18 PM
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posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 02:46 PM
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Jacques de Molay did not make a correction on his confession of denying Jesus as the Christ.
He did not go back on his belief in another Messiah, yet to come.
So, I miss your point in bringing all this up.
None of this is going to make us Like this Templar.
Just reinforces the idea that Freemasons are the enemy of the Church.



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 04:36 PM
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Ah, the warping of history goes to the group with the most wealth. The Shroud I believe was used by de Molay. Just as the Catholic order prevented the release of the Dead Sea Scrolls until hackers got them out.

The Founding Fathers were mostly members of Free Masonry. In fact Benedict Arnold actually kept the British from finding large storage houses of supplies from the "secret" markings on them.

No the Masons have helped to found free nations and keep the "Order" of Catholicism out. This was the purpose of separation of Church and State in the US. Fear of take over from the Vatican.

We could parlance for ages on what has happened and how. The White Shine treats burnt children without a cent coming from the pockets of their children.

I have no love for politicians. Not being a member of either Masons or the Catholic Church I have no horse in this race other than the truth. And the this truth I only seek because long ago I was poisoned and died.

I know no one goes to the Father except by the Son. I know the fear as in two bodies on waits for the Judge. I have seen one before me cast into the hearth before the Judge with the words "You have received your reward" following him.

I found much of what I experienced in the Talmud and in re-reading our Lords words. That our Lords words made it to this age I am grateful to the "church". For the lack of understanding of them I can offer no comfort for they lead His flock astray.

I have listed future events in previous posts so you may know the above is real. I doubt any would believe them by the reading.

Most importantly I know how it feels to have the sentence uttered "of course you" and in meeting the Lord in a cloud to have him embrace a new body and whisper "I look forward to when all this is over that we may play together again." And with the utterance the flow of memories.

Long before this age I was with the Lord in the chamber behind His Throne. There was a meeting with a General from the piercing point on the vine of light. The vine connects many worlds but pierces the darkness filled with the Sons of Darkness (black birds that nest in the branches of heaven).

The General spoke flatteringly and suggested I should leave at once for the front. The Lord would have none of it despite my objections. I stayed to His left, He was distracted to His right, the General made his move to murder. I blocked this with my body and said with purity of thought "I would rather not exist than to be in an existence without Him." My action prevented the revolt from succeeding. My memory went totally black.
Talmud says before the hearth in front of the Throne was a way to Hell it was used to repair angles. I believe this is true and that each such repair removes some memories.

Much later while playing a game of Hide and Seek with our Lord I snuck across the forbidden abyss looking down I saw the roof of a distant building (see Enoch). I hid among clouds and listen to this splendid appearing General speaking to a crowd. I was confused by what he was discussing. he spoke of a place with this wonderful creature that was as we but could give great pleasure. Yet he belittled this same creature at though it were foul and disgusting. How could such a thing exist?
I came back and snuck up on the Lord from behind. He grabbed me up laughing "That was a good one". He sat with me on a small stool, how comfortable, how secure to be in His arms. I wanted to know if I could ask him a question He said yes. I asked "What is this thing called woman?" my memory went totally black.

Twice since than I have seen this General. He is no longer slender and grand in appearance. He has become a glutton and is carried by the Orishas of the Santeria through the trenches that are Hell. His outer shell is now thinned.

The Last time I brought this General a message from G_d in a scroll. As I struck the Generals nose the scroll became thought and that thought "I brought you into existence I can take you out! It is my Son whose heart you sadden." Turning to leave my memory turned to black.

I have since had a vision of the General, Satan, at St. Peters being carried as he is now but through the coronation as Pope. This will be after the gathering at Meggido (the Lords tower).

Our church buildings should be made of earth, unhune wood and unworked stone. It would make the harvest more successful and easier on the harvesters.

None of this is easy to place here but since you few seem to believe so greatly even without having seen I offer this to you.

Now as to the thread I still believe Catholicism misses the mark to bring followers to our Lord and to make them ready to leave without looking back. Maybe followers of our Lord should be called something other than Christian?



posted on Jul, 21 2008 @ 02:24 AM
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"Ah, the warping of history goes to the group with the most wealth."

And, who holds the most worldly wealth? There can be no argument that it is the Rockefellers and the Rothschilds. They have sown war and apostasy throughout the world. They serve the agenda delineated in 'The Protocols of The Learned Elders of Zion' They and their agents were responsible for World War I, World War II, The Bolshevik Revolution, The Spanish Civil War, The Korean War, Vietnam. They hide behind the name of Judaism but they are not Jews, they are servants of Lucifer. The evidence is in abundance, of their misdeeds. Two excellent books that shine light upon their dark activity are Wall Street and The Bolshevik Revolution, and Wall Street and The Rise of Hitler, authored by the late Professor Antony Sutton. Your last posting indicates your mind is unravelling.



posted on Jul, 22 2008 @ 06:18 PM
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Whether or not Comforter’s mind is “unraveling” is an interesting question. In that same spirit, I would question the sanity of the minds that gave the testimonies included in the Bible, to wit: Was Ezekiel’s mind “unraveling” when he saw fiery chariots? Was Moses exhibiting signs of insanity when he talked to God out of a burning bush? Was Jacob mad when he wrestled with an angel? Was Jesus himself delusional when he debated Satan in the wilderness? We have no impartial testimony to the veracity of these experiences; we only have the word of the persons that claimed to experienced them. Why should we doubt the word of Comforter? More so, who are you to judge whether or not Comforter has had a direct revelation from God himself?



posted on Jul, 22 2008 @ 06:36 PM
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I am a catholic (or has been borin into a family of such personas). Roman-Catholisism is the beginning of the orginized christian religion (wheather it be good or bad).

The main problem with Christianism is that it is divided and despite the common knowledge - they have been in such a state since the early days.

If you live like the early christians (very hard imo
) you are a christian. If you were a jew that accepted the message jesus sent, you did all you did as a jew plus "the message". If you were a roman - you lived your life like a roman minus the bloody tendencies for instance


As for catholics being christians... I would expand the question: what is the percentage of christians in today's "christian religions". Somewhat I think number will be close to zero and would equal the percentage of "enlightened" people. For some reason most poeple tend to think about themself and money.




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