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He is referring to the emerging Gnostic doctrines
Originally posted by Robhaidheuch
reply to post by jmdewey60
"The Venerable Bede was Catholic, but English, I think.
Did the Church of England give him the same veneration? "
I believe it still does.
Christians seeking the history of Britain's many Orthodox saints, including St. Cuthbert and the Proto-martyr St. Alban, are often totally dependent upon St. Bede's accounts. The Saint has been criticized for his account of the Synod of Whitby (664), at which virtually all the English - except for the ancient monastery of Iona - accepted the Roman dating method for Pascha. Modern scholarship suggests that this rather emotional topic was not the reason this local council was summoned, although the question of the Paschal calendar was put on its agenda. There were men of undoubted sanctity on both sides of the dispute. The king's own bishop, St. Colman of Lindesfarne (commemorated Feb. 18) resigned his see rather than accept the Synod's decision. But he was allowed to nominate St. Eata (Oct. 26), a man who accepted the decision, as his successor.
You are confusing veneration with worship.
In 1370, Bede's remains were moved to a splendid shrine in the Galilee Chapel. This shrine was destroyed during the Reformation in 1540 and Bede's bones were then buried in a grave where the shrine had stood.
In general, I am kind of with you but I find your arguments a little weak.
I was trying to get you to support your arguments, further.
If i was naughty at school i was told to say the Roseary and to do so at the foot of the statue of Mary.I was to pray to her for forgiveness.
The context is apostasy, i.e. rejecting Catholic teaching. The Catholic Church has the right to forbid some people from marrying e.g. brother to sister, or same gender. The vow of celibacy taken by priests is a choice made by free will, therefore your argument is redundant. You may argue against a priest choosing to live a celibate life but it is his business and none of yours, so why are you allowing yourself to get so upset, or do you think everyone should be forced to marry?
"The priest is, indeed, another Christ, or in some way, he is himself a continuation of Christ." (Pope Pius XI, Encylical on the Priesthood)
Some,KEY DATES IN THE EVOLUTION OF ROMAN CATHOLIC DOCTRINE.
300 -- Prayers For The Dead.-- Making The Sign Of The Cross.
600 -- Worship in Latin Language.
754 -- Temporal, Political power of the Pope.
788 -- Worship of Mary and the Saints.
1123 -- Enforced celibacy for priests.
1190 -- Sale of Indulgences.
Peter,the first pope,and the apostles that Jesus chose were,for the most part,married men.The New Testament implies that women presided at eucharistic meals in the early church....
385-Pope Siricius left his wife in order to become pope. Decreed that priests may no longer sleep with their wives....
567-2nd Council of Tours: any cleric found in bed with his wife would be excommunicated for a year and reduced to the lay state.
580-Pope Pelagius II: his policy was not to bother married priests as long as they did not hand over church property to wives or children....
836-Council of Aix-la-Chapelle openly admitted that abortions and infanticide took place in convents and monasteries to cover up activities of uncelibate clerics.St. Ulrich, a holy bishop, argued from scripture and common sense that the only way to purify the church from the worst excesses of celibacy was to permit priests to marry.
1095-Pope Urban II had priests’ wives sold into slavery, children were abandoned.
1123-Pope Calistus II: First Lateran Council decreed that clerical marriages were invalid.
1545-63-Council of Trent states that celibacy and virginity are superior to marriage.
1930-Pope Pius XI: sex can be good and holy.
1951-Pope Pius XII: married Lutheran pastor ordained catholic priest in Germany.
1962-Pope John XXIII: Vatican Council II; vernacular; marriage is equal to virginity.
1966-Pope Paul VI: celibacy dispensations.
1970s-Ludmilla Javorova and several other Czech women ordained to serve needs of women imprisoned by Communists.
1978-Pope John Paul II: puts a freeze on dispensations.
1983-New Canon Law.
1980-Married Anglican/Episcopal pastors are ordained as catholic priests in the U.S.; also in Canada and England in 1994.
The idea that all individuals have a direct line to God, where God will regularly engage in direct communication to an individual has led some people to becoming delusional and suffering a mental disorder.
788 -- Worship of Mary and the Saints.
"My soul proclaims the greatness of the Lord, any my spirit rejoices in God my savior." With these words Mary first acknowledges the special gifts she has been given.
Above all other saints, she alone could truly rejoice in Jesus, her savior, for she knew that he who was the source of eternal salvation would be born in time in her body, in one person both her own son and her Lord.
"For the Almighty has done great things for me, and holy is his name." Mary attributes nothing to her own merits. She refers all her greatness to the gift of one whose essence is power and whose nature is greatness, for he fill with greatness and strength the small and the weak who believe in him.
She did well to add: "and holy is his name," to warn those who heard, and indeed all who would receive his words, that they must believe and call upon his name. For they too could share in everlasting holiness and true salvation according to the words of the prophet: "and it will come to pass, that everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." This is the name she spoke of earlier when she said "and my spirit rejoices in God my savior."
Maybe it was toned down because it was not official Church doctrine to pray to them, but I get an inference from this homily that it was customary to do so.(at the end, she states that all must call on the name of Jesus.could he have written this because Mary worship seemed to be getting out of hand and he felt Jesus was being neglected?)
I don't recognise Future Church as representative of the Catholic Church.
Once again Iona Scotland is relegated to being an English region by another ignorant writer. The Scots-Irish monks of Iona were responsible for evangelising pagan England, and were responsible for the founding of the monastic community on Lindifarne.
St Egbert of Iona: St Egbert of Iona is, I think, one of Bede’s most under-appreciated heroes. Of course, the plague makes Egbert’s long stay in Ireland possible. He pledges to God that he will never return home in thanksgiving for surviving the plague that killed his friend. Egbert’s eventual conversion of Iona to the Roman rite was of paramount importance to Bede.
IF the Pope has to proclaim someone to be a Saint, does the Queen as the head of the Church of England, have to appoint Saints, or they just not recognize anyone?
The Church of England has no mechanism for canonising saints, and unlike the Roman Catholic Church it makes no claims regarding the heavenly status of those whom it commemorates in its calendar. For this reason, the Church of England avoids the use of the prenominal title "Saint" with reference to uncanonised individuals and is restrained in what it says about them in its liturgical texts. In order not to seem to imply grades of sanctity, or to discriminate between holy persons of the pre- and post-Reformation periods, the title "Saint" is not used at all in the calendar, even with reference to those who have always been known by that title, for example the Apostles....
....The Church of England commemorates many of the same saints as those in the Roman Catholic calendar of saints, mostly on the same days, but also commemorates various notable (often post-Reformation) Christians who have not been canonised, with a particular though not exclusive emphasis on those of English origin....