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Further conversations discussed the prospect that Catholisism was born not from Christianity as is believed but other Pagan religions. The arguments include the fact that they "worship" many gods. (IE the saints through thier prayers) and Idols (IE crucifixes etc)
Jesus replied,
"Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven. And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it.
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven." Then he warned his disciples not to tell anyone that he was the Christ.
(St. Matthew 16:17-20)
Babylon did just that with their “Sainted” Paul
Posted by Comforter
If Jesus wanted a new church in Rome it seems to me he would have gone there and started it.
The claim that Catholicism is not Christian is part of the rethoric of the evangelic fundamentalism that is behind all the great matters that we are dealing with in this epoch of crisis in America.
Remember that America was populated by Paganism in times in which Rome was a flourish Christian community as well as the major part of Europe and the middle east.
Well anybody that told that the origin of the Roman Church is the paganism is liying you in one of the most cynical ways that somebody can do or lives in a complete ignorance about this topic.
Zoroastrianism clearly has had a large influence on Christianity. There are many aspects of Christianity that were not drawn from Judaism, although that religion was the major predecessor of Christianity. One of the most obvious tenets of Christianity that has its roots in Zoroastrianism is the concept of dualism. The Zoroastrian faith believes in two original spirits; Ahura Mazda, the Eternal and Uncreated, the Wise Lord, and Angra Mainyu, Uncreated but not Eternal, the Evil Spirit. This dualist nature is thought to have come from the fact the people of Zarathustra were invaded by nomads during the time of Zarathustra's life, and that he therefore had very strong sentiments on the nature of good and evil (Flower 56). From this basic concept springs many others, many of which are also found in Christianity. Zoroastrianism has a very clear notion of the concepts of heaven and hell. These were the realities that Ahura Mazda and Angra Mainyu had created for themselves. According to Zoroastrian belief, at the time of death, the dead are led over Chinvat Bridge. This is a bridge shaped like a sword that bridges this world and heaven. If the soul is worthy, then he or she is led across by a beautiful woman. If the soul is unworthy, then he or she is led across by an old hag, and when the soul is halfway across the bridge turns on its edge and the soul topples to hell (Flower 57). Zoroastrianism also teaches of a second judgement. Zoroastrian tradition holds that, after Zarathustra, there will come three more prophets born of a virgin, each of whom will become pregnant after bathing in a lake which preserves "the seed of the prophet" (Traditional 7). The last of these is to be the Saoshyant, or savior, who will bring about the final judgement. At this time, everyone will be resurrected (this is called Ristakhiz; Traditional 7) and judged a second time by Ahura Mazda, and the final battle between good and evil will take place. Some doctrines hold that the wicked will burn eternally in hell, but newer beliefs state that these may be purified in a river of molten metal and allowed to rejoin the new, idyllic Earth that is free of evil (Flower 56). All these are precursors to corresponding beliefs in Christianity. The notion of a savior being born of a virgin is obviously well known, as are the concepts of heaven and hell, judgement at death and also at a later day of Judgement, and the existence of evil. Evil as an independent force was an idea that had its roots in Zoroastrianism, and in particular the terrible events that Christianity holds will be unleashed by evil upon the world are thought to be taken almost directly from Zoroastrianism (Zoroastrianism, 575). In short, Christianity has been very visibly influenced by Zoroastrianism.
They used to forbid priests to marry.(several apostles were married.)
1 Timothy.4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
4:2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;4:3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
Mary never had other children after the Lord Jesus. A perpetual virgin.
Confessing sins to a priest
Matthew 3:6 Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.
The apostles were not priests.
I do not see how this verse applies.
Matthew 3:6 Confessing their sins, they were baptized by him in the Jordan River.
Who were they confessing to?
All this virginity business started out in the Bible and it is not such a big leap for people to consider her virginity as a virtue that they do not want to diminish.
The tales of Robin Hood never appeared until long after the death of Wallace. The first literary mention of tales of Robin Hood was 1375,
No other historical figure answers the description of Robin Hood or his deeds as thoroughly as Wallace.
His wife was Lady Marion Braidfute
So, why did Jesus declare that Simon's new name was Cephas (Peter), meaning rock, "Thou art Cephas, and upon this cephas I build my church, and the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it."?
In matters of doctrinal teaching the Catholic church is infallible,
...He married Mary Magdalen and lived happily ever after...
one must also believe Jesus to be either a madman or a liar for claiming Hell shall not prevail against it.
They can't agree on a universal creed, every man is his own pope...
one could reinvent Christianity to suit oneself ad infinitum.
If you mean mention of the English judicial term 'robin hood' meaning outlaw perhaps, but no Robin Hood as described in the tales was ever mentioned in the period you cite, as the tales of a Robin Hood did not exist in any literary form during that period. If I am wrong then tell me exactly where? I know, with absolute certainty, you cannot.
In 1261,records show a William de Fevre was made an outlaw and one year later in 1262, a royal official renamed him on case records to "William Robehood" or "Robinhood".The significance of this is that as early as 1262, Robin Hood had achieved such fame throughout the region that other outlaws were starting to be named after him.Thus, Robinhood was becoming a generic nickname for outlaws of the time.
There are at least 8 people before 1300 who were given the "Robinhood" nickname, at least 5 of whom were outlaws or people accused of criminal activity.One could speculate that this was a period of time where the activities of the real Robin Hood were well known.
Robin Hood exists in many forms,simply because his stories were first passed around by spoken word,in the form of folk tales and ballads dating back to the 1200's.
Evidence indicates that the Robin Hood stories and oral ballads/narratives were around a long time before the earliest surviving written ballad,was penned.The oldest surviving printing and earliest ballad but based on earlier work is "A Gest of Robyn Hode".
A priest is a person who has the authority to perform and administer religious rites.The apostles were given this power by Jesus.
the Venerable Bede, one of your compatriots.
on 13 November, 1899, that Leo XIII decreed that the feast of Venerable Bede with the title of Doctor Ecclesiae should be celebrated throughout the Church each year on 27 May.
The method of dating events relative to Christ's birth (A.D. and B.C.) was popularized with Bede's works.