Overthrowing the United States Government

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posted on Oct, 1 2008 @ 12:33 AM
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I as a united stated citizen, born and raised in the united states of america am sick and tired of the political system and big business in this country makeing and keeping us as slaves for their monatery benifit when there are poor and homeless prople in our country that are in need.

The goverment of the united states are no longer a goverment for the people. They are run by big business, such as, banks, drug companys, insurence companys etc.

A person has to ask themselves. Why is it that we as citizens have to work longer hours to make ends meet for our familys, when wadges stay the same and consumer prices for goods and services go up.

We as citizens and tax payers are forced to pay for independence or so called freedom of third world countrys when we should be takeing care of our own people first through the taxes we pay to the goverment through our job labors.

It use to be people helping other people and now since the goverment and big business that actualy runs the goverment has turned us against each other because of the money squeez they have put on us. brotherly love has been thrown out the window and trust is just about nonexistent.

I for one think that a goverment revalution is in order. But how can this ever happen when the goverment has us under their thumbs and are always thinking of new ways to accomplish that goal. like the so called oil crises.

I say we need to keep our resorces to ourselves. We need not export goods to other countrys. for example, oil from alaska, iron ore, coal, copper and so on and so on.

I feel that if we were to do that there would be no way we couldnt be self sustained in this country. hunger, homelesness would be non existent. unemployment would be non existent and the americans would be proud to be americans once again.

Hopefuly this message will stir some thought in the minds of true americans and perhaps at some point in the near future we will come together as a people once again and do somthing about this travistry.




posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 01:41 AM
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It's time to overthrow the government. Join your local militia and start target practicing. We can try to do this with love but the people in power are evil and very very powerful. What are the pros and cons of doing this violently in a covert CIA style fashion, ergo sniper compared with maybe an "I have a dream," Martin Luther King Jr. style?



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 01:45 AM
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i agree with you all mighty post-poster... i understand exactly what ur trying to say.. and thats exactly what it needs to come to... just tell me where i need to be.. and when i need to be there, and ill be there for that meeting.. although i am canadian, i will be part of the army that shows these idiots that were not putting up with this # anymore... althought i will also make sure its done in the right way



posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 01:59 AM
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posted on Oct, 15 2008 @ 08:14 AM
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Sad to say if the US has civil war,you'll have people from different country's will befriend para military groups,supply them with weapons,then the US would become very vulnerable to an attack from Russia or China,half their work would be done for them,you would need more unity to pull it off without leaving your pants down so to speak



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 05:57 PM
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Once upon a time many black vans carrying FBI agents came to my home in Cache, Oklahoma. Summoned via a false report by an individual (The Caller), that had a grudge against me because I caught him on film in our guest house talking on the phone to others of how he was going to steal my technologies. He performed sex acts while talking to his boyfriend on my phone and then calling his unsuspecting wife and telling her how true he was to her while he was away at my house on business. I sent him on his way back to San Diego, California in short order and he became violently angry later when I refused to do business with him. So I sent him snippets of the video’s and he went crazy and called the FBI and told them that I was planning to assassinate the President.
Now, I don’t fear the FBI for telling this story because it’s a matter of record.
We sat in a circle chairs on the patio with several of the FBI interrogators while the others raided the house next door for weapons. The FBI agents asked me my feelings about the President (George Bush), I told them that I had no ill feelings of him.
They said they knew about my security clearances. They asked me if I had any plans to raise an army and overthrow the US Government. They all flinched as I responded “Not at this time!” It was not the smartest response that I could have given, given the gravity of the situation and all. They asked if I could make chemical WMD’s and I responded “Yes, I was capable.” Nuclear? “Yes.” They already knew most of the answers to the questions but they did not think that I would admit it.
What irked me, is how they asked me if I had any idea of who would hold such a grudge against me so as to report to them that I was going to kill the President. I was in reality, my own worst enemy because when he (The Caller) was in our van with friends and myself taking a driving tour of the area, he asked me what was the best way to get someone in serious trouble. I responded, by calling the FBI and telling them that the person was planning to kill the President. Me and my bright ideas. I definitely was not the sharpest knife in the drawer that day. In fact, it wasn’t even my own idea. Someone else had previously told that to me. And that someone else was also sitting in the car with us. At that time he was in deep water too because he has one of the largest cache’s of automatic weapons and ammunition that I have ever seen to this day. The guy who made the call had seen them too and had fired one of his Uzi’s, which in part was a good enough reason for them to raid our homes. Perhaps, they thought that I was the brains of the supposed outfit.
They never would admit who the guy was that made the call but, when I mentioned his name they silently responded with the appropriate affirmative body language.
I have had a lot of time to think about that day. Be very careful of what you say and to whom you say it. Especially, when it comes to the topic of overthrowing the US Government.
Laws have been passed that can put you away for a very long time or worse, for just talking about it. Not that “We The People” got to vote on any of them.
What I personally believe is that these new laws were manufactured to thwart those who might actually attempt to carry out such a venture by criminalizing free speech, if the content is subversive to the existing governing body.
Take a look at this site: www.phxnews.com...
Now this is not the sort of thing to say with the recent passing of these new laws.
Many people are not happy with the way the “Powers At Be” for toppling the Iraqi government.



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 06:02 PM
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There are individuals that are in or have been in the US government that are just as bad a Saddam Hussein on his worst day. US Chemical Weapons Development, developing the Atomic Bomb and then not dropping it once, but twice just to make sure that US got the idea across to the Japanese and at Potsdam that we had more than one and possibly many more.
In reality, we should never have developed it. It saved lives they say. It started the nuclear arms race I say!
But, I’m getting off focus.
The U.S. Declaration of Independence states that "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government"
Although many declarations of independence seek legitimacy by appealing to the right of revolution, far fewer constitutions mention this right or guarantee this right to citizens because of the destabilizing effect such a guarantee would likely produce.
New Hampshire's constitution guarantees its citizens the right to rebellion, in Article 10 of the constitution's Bill of Rights:
Whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
The Kentucky Constitution also guarantees a right of revolution in Section 1 of the Bill of Rights.
All power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their peace, safety, happiness and the protection of property. For the advancement of these ends, they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may deem proper.
Article I, §2 of the Tennessee Constitution states: "That government being instituted for the common benefit, the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind."
North Carolina's constitution of November 21, 1789 also contains in its Declaration of Rights, "3d. That Government ought to be instituted for the common benefit, protection and security of the people; and that the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive to the good and happiness of mankind."
A little revolution every now and then can be a good thing. Can you say “AMERICAN”.
That’s how the US Government got its start.
There are many way’s to a means.
The US Government appears to be very strong but that is a great deception.
Our Government is as fragile as a butterfly’s wing.
For the price of a few stamps, envelopes, a little technology and vision, the governing body can be brought to a grinding halt and be kept that way indefinitely. Congress could not meet, courts could not function. Wall Street could be completely halted. Chaos would follow in short order and not one loss of life up to this point. The US Military might would be rendered null. Whom are they going to fight? Amongst themselves is the answer. Destabilization would continue until “We The People” again reestablish the Popular Vote.
The Electoral College has taken the vote from” We The People”.
As citizens of the United State of America, one of our most important rights is that of which to vote. By voting, the general population has a say in who its leaders are. Votes for local, state, and even federal representatives directly reflect who the constituents want in office. However, America’s highest office is not elected by a vote of the people.



posted on Oct, 25 2008 @ 06:03 PM
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Instead we use a confusing and outdated system called the Electoral College. Our President is not elected by the people, but by 538 electors who can legally vote for whomever they choose. Several times in our nation’s history an elector has voted against the people’s will. Three presidents have been elected into office by the Electoral College and not had the majority support of the nation. This system needs to be changed. The highest office in our great nation needs to be elected by the people he/she is representing.
This system needs to be put to an end. The American people are well enough informed to elect their own president without the aid of an Electoral College. The electors in the Electoral College do not actually make decisions anyway. They are just figurative for they should vote along their state’s popular vote, even though most are not legally bound to do so. Even though the electors’ votes reflect that of their state’s popular vote, the views of the people are not always represented. If one candidate receives 50.1 percent of the popular vote, and the other candidate receives 49.9 percent, the candidate with only .2 percent more of the popular vote receives all of that states electoral votes. This system is also very unfair to the third party candidate. He/she has very little chance of receiving any electoral votes. In 1992, Ross Perot won 19 percent of the national popular vote, but failed to receive any electoral votes. Also, smaller states have much more clout than larger states, even though they have fewer votes. Using our most populated (California) and least populated (Wyoming) states we can see that California has 68 times as many people, but only 18 times as many electoral votes as Wyoming. Using facts like these, assuming that all of the states electors remain faithful to their state’s general vote, and there are only two candidates, a president could be elected with only 22 percent of the national popular vote. If there were three candidates, this number drops to 15 percent of the national popular vote. Also, in the average two candidate election, only 49 percent of the nation actually votes. This means that the outcome of an election could theoretically represent only 12 percent of the nation. This is how presidents are elected without the popular support of the people and a main reason this system should be done away with.
One man, with vision not armies, can set it all in motion. A quote from Dune: “The sleeper must awaken”.
We need to have the ability to choose our own leader without the possibility of that decision getting manipulated. The “NEW GOVERNMENT” will be made of the people, for the people, and by the people.
Without an unfettered press, without liberty of speech, all of the outward forms and structures of free institutions are a sham, a pretense -- the sheerest mockery. If the press is not free; if speech is not independent and untrammeled; if the mind is shackled or made impotent through fear, it makes no difference under what form of government you live, you are a subject and not a citizen.
BORAH



posted on Dec, 7 2008 @ 06:29 PM
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i couldnt agree with you more...Im 16 and it pains me unbearably when i think of my peers and how they know nothing of the truth, or more importantly, they dont care. people just want to hide



posted on Dec, 9 2008 @ 03:18 AM
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We need to do away with party lines. No more of this divide and conquer. We've suffered enough because of it. Each canidate running for an office should be made to legally register their running platform. Should they win an election, they need to achieve the goals set forth in their platform or be held legally accountable for misrepresentation.
I'm tired of being lied too.



posted on Dec, 29 2008 @ 10:37 PM
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A coup has quietly taken over our government and must be stopped. Our government is no longer by the people and for the people. It is against the people and intends to enslave us (more than we are already enslaved).

It is time we wake up and do what we have to do to take it back. I, for one, will stand with the signers of our constitution and will not be swept along into captivity. I am a Constitutionalist.

COUP OF THE US GOVERNMENT, WE ARE NOT BLIND, WE ARE NOT STUPID. WE HAVE OUR EYES WIDE OPEN AND WE ARE WAITING. YOU WILL NOT TAKE OUR GOVERNMENT WITHOUT A FIGHT. THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ARE ARMED AND WE WILL DO WHATEVER WE NEED TO DO TO TAKE IT BACK, INCLUDING SACRIFICE OUR LIVES.

You committed treason by attacking the people of the United States on 9/11. We are not stupid. We saw, we know.

YOU WILL NOT TAKE MY GUN. THE SECOND AMENDMENT OF MY CONSTITUTION GUARANTEES ME THIS RIGHT. ANY ATTEMPT TO TAKE IT WILL BE MET BY FORCE. NO PRETEXTS.

Construct another pretext like 911, and we just may come unleashed. FEAR US.



posted on Dec, 29 2008 @ 10:49 PM
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There are millions of things we can do to overthrow our government. Different methods of spreading enlightenment could be; handing out info films, giving out flyers, holding conferences, uniting branches of churches & states, exposing corruption rather than sweeping it under the carpet, the list goes on and on.

Best way would probably be to hit people directly with factual evidence of course. To the point where nobody with logic can deny. I mean come on now, we might as well let the germans load all the jews onto the trains if were going to sit around and let it get worse.



posted on Jan, 15 2009 @ 02:58 PM
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I am with you I am the founder and leader of an orginization called The Movment. I would like to get in touch with you. Contact me at JointheMovment@aol.com.
Let us Take back what's ours!



posted on Jan, 28 2009 @ 04:45 PM
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posted on Feb, 5 2009 @ 12:24 AM
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the only way to reclaim our freedom is to storm congress physically and beat them to death in the streets. they are cowards but all accomplices in the sellout of our freedom and are the most unscrupulous people within our borders.Our soldiers will not turn on us the hired mercenaries will shoot on site if told to do so. blackwater is not us they are the enemy after just one call on a secure line they will turn on us they are not great in numbers they won't do # when the 100K per week paychecks end

next stop the fed

then we withdraw from the who and the wto and globalization once it is over we will have a future

madof was poetic justice what could be sweeter than jews ripping off jews

bush the grandaddy tried to overthrow the us govt and was stopped at the last moment they are a very very twisted family that believes we are useless eaters it is time to eat them



posted on Feb, 8 2009 @ 11:01 AM
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posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 07:14 PM
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If enough people joined together (this would have to be in the millions) an overthrow of the government could take place. So many of our troops are overseas and our military is not nearly as large as it once was decades ago. If enough people with the common goal of taking the United States back by force and reinstituting a government for the people, came together, the military wouldn't be able to stand up against it.
Unfortunately, most people are too apathetic to do anything about it and so it would take an absolute miracle by God to rally enough people for their support and involvement. I know I would join in though if asked.



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 07:37 PM
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It is not a revolution, or an overthrow that people are clamoring for.

They want a RESTORATION of State's Rights, and the Rights of The People (see the 10th amendment).

It is not a "revolution" (neither in the legal sense, nor in the dictionary sense), but a RESTORATION.

I'd suggest everyone start framing it that way, because WORDS MEAN THINGS.



posted on Feb, 17 2009 @ 07:38 PM
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"Overthrowing" is not the key.

The key is independence. Once you don't need what they're selling, then you're free.

People are addicted to government services, and that keeps them going back to the dealer. Once you're off their junk, they've got nothing to sell you, and their power becomes meaningless.

The country needs to get off of the "crack," so to speak.



posted on Feb, 18 2009 @ 03:00 AM
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Voters in upstate New York will go to the polls at the end of March to fill an empty seat in Congress.

Gov. David A. Paterson said Wednesday that the special election in the 20th Congressional District will be March 31st.

Paterson said at a press conference in Albany that he will issue a proclamation on Feb. 23 to schedule the election for the seat vacated in late January by Democrat Kirsten Gillibrand .

Paterson, a Democrat, appointed Gillibrand to the U.S. Senate seat vacatedt by Democrat Hillary Rodham Clinton after her confirmation as secretary of State.

State Assembly Minority Leader James Tedisco has been nominated by the Republicans to run in the special election.

The Democratic nominee is first-time candidate Scott Murphy.

[edit on 18-2-2009 by hotelwaiter]






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