Overthrowing the United States Government, page 21
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reply posted on 25-10-2008 @ 05:57 PM by thesleeper
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Once upon a time many black vans carrying FBI agents came to my home in Cache, Oklahoma. Summoned via a false report by an individual (The Caller), that had a grudge against me because I caught him on film in our guest house talking on the phone to others of how he was going to steal my technologies. He performed sex acts while talking to his boyfriend on my phone and then calling his unsuspecting wife and telling her how true he was to her while he was away at my house on business. I sent him on his way back to San Diego, California in short order and he became violently angry later when I refused to do business with him. So I sent him snippets of the video’s and he went crazy and called the FBI and told them that I was planning to assassinate the President.
Now, I don’t fear the FBI for telling this story because it’s a matter of record.
We sat in a circle chairs on the patio with several of the FBI interrogators while the others raided the house next door for weapons. The FBI agents asked me my feelings about the President (George Bush), I told them that I had no ill feelings of him.
They said they knew about my security clearances. They asked me if I had any plans to raise an army and overthrow the US Government. They all flinched as I responded “Not at this time!” It was not the smartest response that I could have given, given the gravity of the situation and all. They asked if I could make chemical WMD’s and I responded “Yes, I was capable.” Nuclear? “Yes.” They already knew most of the answers to the questions but they did not think that I would admit it.
What irked me, is how they asked me if I had any idea of who would hold such a grudge against me so as to report to them that I was going to kill the President. I was in reality, my own worst enemy because when he (The Caller) was in our van with friends and myself taking a driving tour of the area, he asked me what was the best way to get someone in serious trouble. I responded, by calling the FBI and telling them that the person was planning to kill the President. Me and my bright ideas. I definitely was not the sharpest knife in the drawer that day. In fact, it wasn’t even my own idea. Someone else had previously told that to me. And that someone else was also sitting in the car with us. At that time he was in deep water too because he has one of the largest cache’s of automatic weapons and ammunition that I have ever seen to this day. The guy who made the call had seen them too and had fired one of his Uzi’s, which in part was a good enough reason for them to raid our homes. Perhaps, they thought that I was the brains of the supposed outfit.
They never would admit who the guy was that made the call but, when I mentioned his name they silently responded with the appropriate affirmative body language.
I have had a lot of time to think about that day. Be very careful of what you say and to whom you say it. Especially, when it comes to the topic of overthrowing the US Government.
Laws have been passed that can put you away for a very long time or worse, for just talking about it. Not that “We The People” got to vote on any of them.
What I personally believe is that these new laws were manufactured to thwart those who might actually attempt to carry out such a venture by criminalizing free speech, if the content is subversive to the existing governing body.
Take a look at this site: www.phxnews.com...
Now this is not the sort of thing to say with the recent passing of these new laws.
Many people are not happy with the way the “Powers At Be” for toppling the Iraqi government.


reply posted on 25-10-2008 @ 06:02 PM by thesleeper
reply to post by thesleeper

There are individuals that are in or have been in the US government that are just as bad a Saddam Hussein on his worst day. US Chemical Weapons Development, developing the Atomic Bomb and then not dropping it once, but twice just to make sure that US got the idea across to the Japanese and at Potsdam that we had more than one and possibly many more.
In reality, we should never have developed it. It saved lives they say. It started the nuclear arms race I say!
But, I’m getting off focus.
The U.S. Declaration of Independence states that "when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government"
Although many declarations of independence seek legitimacy by appealing to the right of revolution, far fewer constitutions mention this right or guarantee this right to citizens because of the destabilizing effect such a guarantee would likely produce.
New Hampshire's constitution guarantees its citizens the right to rebellion, in Article 10 of the constitution's Bill of Rights:
Whenever the ends of government are perverted, and public liberty manifestly endangered, and all other means of redress are ineffectual, the people may, and of right ought to reform the old, or establish a new government. The doctrine of nonresistance against arbitrary power, and oppression, is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind.
The Kentucky Constitution also guarantees a right of revolution in Section 1 of the Bill of Rights.
All power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority and instituted for their peace, safety, happiness and the protection of property. For the advancement of these ends, they have at all times an inalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform or abolish their government in such manner as they may deem proper.
Article I, §2 of the Tennessee Constitution states: "That government being instituted for the common benefit, the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive of the good and happiness of mankind."
North Carolina's constitution of November 21, 1789 also contains in its Declaration of Rights, "3d. That Government ought to be instituted for the common benefit, protection and security of the people; and that the doctrine of non-resistance against arbitrary power and oppression is absurd, slavish, and destructive to the good and happiness of mankind."
A little revolution every now and then can be a good thing. Can you say “AMERICAN”.
That’s how the US Government got its start.
There are many way’s to a means.
The US Government appears to be very strong but that is a great deception.
Our Government is as fragile as a butterfly’s wing.
For the price of a few stamps, envelopes, a little technology and vision, the governing body can be brought to a grinding halt and be kept that way indefinitely. Congress could not meet, courts could not function. Wall Street could be completely halted. Chaos would follow in short order and not one loss of life up to this point. The US Military might would be rendered null. Whom are they going to fight? Amongst themselves is the answer. Destabilization would continue until “We The People” again reestablish the Popular Vote.
The Electoral College has taken the vote from” We The People”.
As citizens of the United State of America, one of our most important rights is that of which to vote. By voting, the general population has a say in who its leaders are. Votes for local, state, and even federal representatives directly reflect who the constituents want in office. However, America’s highest office is not elected by a vote of the people.


reply posted on 25-10-2008 @ 06:03 PM by thesleeper
Instead we use a confusing and outdated system called the Electoral College. Our President is not elected by the people, but by 538 electors who can legally vote for whomever they choose. Several times in our nation’s history an elector has voted against the people’s will. Three presidents have been elected into office by the Electoral College and not had the majority support of the nation. This system needs to be changed. The highest office in our great nation needs to be elected by the people he/she is representing.
This system needs to be put to an end. The American people are well enough informed to elect their own president without the aid of an Electoral College. The electors in the Electoral College do not actually make decisions anyway. They are just figurative for they should vote along their state’s popular vote, even though most are not legally bound to do so. Even though the electors’ votes reflect that of their state’s popular vote, the views of the people are not always represented. If one candidate receives 50.1 percent of the popular vote, and the other candidate receives 49.9 percent, the candidate with only .2 percent more of the popular vote receives all of that states electoral votes. This system is also very unfair to the third party candidate. He/she has very little chance of receiving any electoral votes. In 1992, Ross Perot won 19 percent of the national popular vote, but failed to receive any electoral votes. Also, smaller states have much more clout than larger states, even though they have fewer votes. Using our most populated (California) and least populated (Wyoming) states we can see that California has 68 times as many people, but only 18 times as many electoral votes as Wyoming. Using facts like these, assuming that all of the states electors remain faithful to their state’s general vote, and there are only two candidates, a president could be elected with only 22 percent of the national popular vote. If there were three candidates, this number drops to 15 percent of the national popular vote. Also, in the average two candidate election, only 49 percent of the nation actually votes. This means that the outcome of an election could theoretically represent only 12 percent of the nation. This is how presidents are elected without the popular support of the people and a main reason this system should be done away with.
One man, with vision not armies, can set it all in motion. A quote from Dune: “The sleeper must awaken”.
We need to have the ability to choose our own leader without the possibility of that decision getting manipulated. The “NEW GOVERNMENT” will be made of the people, for the people, and by the people.
Without an unfettered press, without liberty of speech, all of the outward forms and structures of free institutions are a sham, a pretense -- the sheerest mockery. If the press is not free; if speech is not independent and untrammeled; if the mind is shackled or made impotent through fear, it makes no difference under what form of government you live, you are a subject and not a citizen.
BORAH


reply posted on 17-2-2009 @ 07:14 PM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by hinky


If enough people joined together (this would have to be in the millions) an overthrow of the government could take place. So many of our troops are overseas and our military is not nearly as large as it once was decades ago. If enough people with the common goal of taking the United States back by force and reinstituting a government for the people, came together, the military wouldn't be able to stand up against it.
Unfortunately, most people are too apathetic to do anything about it and so it would take an absolute miracle by God to rally enough people for their support and involvement. I know I would join in though if asked.
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