Overthrowing the United States Government

George Washington said it best.

The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves.
George Washington

Originally posted by John Briggs
George Washington said it best.

The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves.
George Washington

i know that i said that i would not post anymore in this thread (we are, after all, in dire times); however, i agree w/ this 300% and just felt i had to say so!! we are at that time where we are having to decide what side we are on.

~ peace

reply to post by o22a6ar


I agree where do you want to assemble at!!

Well, this one ripped me right out of lurk mode. As our culture, society and economic stability are going steadily downhill, I won't be suprised to hear more people talking about this in the near future.

I'm hopping between two possibilities on something like this. Either the gov't falls even lower into a state of internal scandal, eventually losing its structural funding by the mecca industries.

Or they continue to fall until we don't just "talk" about it... we do something about it. I don't think the world is brave enough en-masse to start a revolution of that magnitude. Possibly within a few years though... when the real choices start running out.

Originally posted by o22a6ar
I am almost positive that a great many of us believe that our government is, and has been for a while, a government by the illusion of choice. If you agree, we should take it upon ourselves to assemble and do whatever it takes to reclaim our government, and transform it back to what it once was, or at least what it should be, a government by the people, for the people not a government by the rich and powerful, for the rich and powerful. What could we do in order to overthrow our current government? Who could we put in charge? Would we rewrite our constitution, or keep the current? What would be done about all the corrupt politicians? I am talking about changing this country for the better. Do we have what it takes, or will you all just sit back, ignore what I've said, and return to that barn with all the other mindless sheep? Let us become free again. Let us reclaim our place as citizens of the United States of America, the true leaders of America.

[edit on 4-7-2008 by o22a6ar]

Drop out. Hide. Live simply and stay out of their way, until there are so many drop-outs they can't keep track anymore.

My dad works for a company he hates. My mom works more than she ought to have to. All us kids have to look forward to is working our butts into the ground.

What can they do to us if we just disappear?


sarc

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DAMN.. should really stay out of these threads, but i have a question. how in the hell do you really think you can hide? i am just saying, w/ all the technology that is available, what is the point?

here i am (and no offense intended, please believe me) a woman (single mom, no less), and yet i am willing to stand. i have made arrangements for my children should things get bad, but i want my kids to be proud of me AND TO HAVE A FUTURE FILLED W/ THEIR DREAMS. i don't want to run and hide.

i want to stand my ground and for the things this country was meant to be. do i look for trouble? absolutely not!! should trouble come and find me then i feel that, in me at least, it has met its match.

how are you going to overthrown alien controlled gov? : do u have a beam weapon or know how to be immune to mind control ? we are cows to them and cows don stand chances with their owner...

reply to post by justamomma

i want to stand my ground and for the things this country was meant to be. do i look for trouble? absolutely not!! should trouble come and find me then i feel that, in me at least, it has met its match.

I salute you!!!!

Originally posted by sarcastic


Drop out. Hide. Live simply and stay out of their way, until there are so many drop-outs they can't keep track anymore.

My dad works for a company he hates. My mom works more than she ought to have to. All us kids have to look forward to is working our butts into the ground.

What can they do to us if we just disappear?


sarc

Sarc, I agree with you.

I figure I'll finish college first, and then drop out of sight for awhile. I really don't want to be a part of the rat race. I don't need bureaucrats hundreds of miles away telling me what to do. They don't have a clue what is best for me, or quite frankly, for America.

All I can say, is know your enemy. Remember nothing is happening like "War with Iran" by real natural causes. We know who the people are behind the Spaghetti - Macaroni - Illuminati. Stunning when you think about it, at least 500 years of their 2000+ has been spend in torturing and mass murder yet millions consider the organization spiritual? How may years have they been trying to perfect brainwashing? 2000?

reply to post by o22a6ar


Everyone is busy following Obama around and watching him walk on water, waiting for him to take over the government and getting in line to get their benefits, so it maybe a few months before folks realize he's not their savior.
Your feeling what most of us are feeling if thats any comfort.

There is every reason to hope .There is very reason to stand up and fight for what is right . Ignore those who say its hopeless ,the power of the bad guys is to great to fight . If they are SO POWERFULL how come they still dont have total control ?
We are here ,we are listening and we are waiting for the opportune moment to stand with you . But our ablity to intervene on your behalf depends on enough of you listening to your conscience .

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
reply to post by o22a6ar

 

I don't think you in the States have ever had a general strike where everyone refuses to go to work until X happens. I have seen well organised general strikes in other countries accomplish a great deal.

Actually, it would be quite something to see if everyone in the states simply refused to buy any petrol/gasoline for an entire week and simply stayed home in protest of ... well, just about everything going on under the Bush/Cheney regime, or should I say the Cheney Regency.

Yes, a totally non-violent but effective means of protest. Also, a refusal to participate in the Presidential elections unless new candidates can be on the ballot chosen by the people and not by party politics alone.

No confidence votes and recall elections are also effective means to replace representatives who the citizens feel no longer represent their best interests. They do that in European countries quite often. Why not in America?

Someone mentioned the possibility of a new Constitution, but in reality there is nothing wrong with the one we have. We just need to have a government representative of the people, who abide by that Constitution and don't consider it "Just a piece of paper," as our President has been quoted.

Originally posted by o22a6ar
reply to post by Pellevoisin

 

The problem is that protests (at least where I live) aren't all that televised. As a result, the majority of the American people do not think that protests will get anything done. It's really sad how most of the good ideas that people have remain isolated within their group of friends, or here on ATS. I am not saying that posting your ideas on ATS or any site related is a bad thing. It's just that this is as far as it usually gets. It's time we stop being pushed around. It's time we start making the choices. I urge you all to confront this thread with any ideas that could help this cause. This includes differing ideas. Would should try to take this beyond ATS, to our communities, to our states, to our country.

It would mean getting off your butt and knocking on doors. It would mean printing fliers and distributing them at the local Library, City Hall, Federal Building, etc. It would mean taking action more than writing posts where for the most part you are preaching to the choir.

Call your Uncle and ask him not to buy gas this week. Ask your neighbors. When you do such things, the media cannot help but notice. When the shopping malls are like ghost towns for a few days, when gas station attendants can do sudoku puzzles instead of pump gas, someone will take notice.

When truckers refused to deliver good it got attention. It's aclled taking action, and it won't work from the keyboard and screen, you have to go out and do something. I am doing that now, so carry on!

Originally posted by Pellevoisin
reply to post by schrodingers dog

 

How about a group meditation/intention project for the spontaneous combustion of selected political leaders of the current dictatorship in the USA?

Just thinking

ROFLMAO!
But seriously, instead of meditating on the negative, focus on the positive. Create a new paradigm by turning your back on the old one.

I have recently found ATS as a place that really attempts to break free from many of the shackles of modern society. I get tiresome watching the same news programming or hearing about typical daily politics. I recently ran upon this post and it really stuck home with me.

I feel that in the USA the individual voice is never heard; rather, ‘United we stand.’ So, how can we approach this issue in a peaceful way? I’ve recently started brainstorming on the development of a ‘Model country’.

At this day in age, I feel that technologically advanced, yet green-friendly micronation-- constructed with our original freedoms in mind, would be a great step towards a larger goal of cleaning up the environment and global promoting sustainability. Perhaps some of you may be able to provide valuable input?

reply to post by o22a6ar

It takes people like us starting to speak. Every word you speak is true. The Government managed to start at the schools and dumb everyone up and turn them into sheeple. I am speaking up with you. I have gone to the rallies, the marches, but more needs to be done.
The constitution we have now was put in place by men who knew this would happen. They were free thinkers and knew others saw that as a threat. Our current constitution works, if the people put into power uphold it, which they are not.
There are a few politicians worthy of keeping their place, but most need to be impeached, lobbyists made illegal, and the constitution upheld. So how do we start the movement? I am not letting my children grow up in this neo-socialist police state.

Originally posted by ALightinDarkness
reply to post by LeeHawt

 

Take the government to court. If you lose, then its not due to a conspiracy, its because you don't have a case. You don't get to start a revolution because you lose.

Don't vote for people you don't like. If they get elected, then the population has democratically deemed they are qualified to be in office. You don't get to start a revolution because you don't get your way.

I know this thread is old, but in idling by this post I felt compelled to respond to it, in light of the upcoming elections.

The courts as they are currently structured work not for the people, but for the state or the government. Even the attorney that you hire to defend you is an "officer of the court" and therefore their primary duty is to uphold the laws of the court (or justice system) and not defend your rights.

Your second remark about not voting for someone you "don't like" may seem like a very sensible way of handling it, but look a bit further and you will see that the choices are GIVEN to you, you are not making any real choices. Case in point is what has happened to Ron Paul, clearly the most sensible candidate that was on the Republican ticket.

During the debates, his fellow Republicans ignored him. They didn't offer rebuttal, they didn't offer even a snide remark, they just ignored his presence. What do you think the average couch potato thought about Dr. Paul having witnessed that? DO you think the majority of America saw it for what it really was? No, they thought the "real" candidates were everyone else but Dr. Paul. Call it spin, call in subliminal, but please, don't call it choice.

It is the duty, the responsibility of every American citizen to hold the government accountable for their actions, both at home and abroad. The dangers of our government's actions are inflicted upon the citizens, not the "economy" as someone else said.

The economy itself is a farce. It is an artificial designed system that keeps the real wealth and power within the central banking system, and keeps the majority of us as subjects to the state. America started down the path to ruin when the Federal Reserve Act was passed by a congress duped into believing it something good.

I do not advocate violence, however I also do not advocate silence in the face of tyranny. I believe it was Benjamin Franklin that once said, "Stand for something or hang for nothing."

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." Thomas Jefferson

I'm glad to see this thread is still somewhat alive. Has anyone changed there mind about this being a bad idea. The general state of society is continuing to decline, while we sit back and watch it all fall down.