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Overthrowing the United States Government

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posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 11:47 AM
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Great post and idea EYEOFEAGLE! I like the way you think.
my friend




posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 11:54 AM
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Oh please, please please grow up.

People are never going to appreciate the fact that you don't have to start a revolution in order to influence political change.

All you have to do, is do their job better than them.

What happened when machines started being used in the fields of agriculture?

They put people out of a job, because everyone realised how much more effective it was.

What happened when people started using Email?

It put people out of a job, because everyone realised how much simpler it was to use electronic communication instead of physical (which also adds to fuel consumption, i might add).

The answer is so absurdly simple you must be blind to not see it.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 12:09 PM
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Originally posted by anglodemonicmatrix
Sorry only one Ghandi per 1000 years is permitted on this irredeemable rock.


Hahahaha. That's such a great line it should be your signature. Love it.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
reply to post by Illuminated_1
 


Oh please, please please grow up.

People are never going to appreciate the fact that you don't have to start a revolution in order to influence political change.

All you have to do, is do their job better than them.

What happened when machines started being used in the fields of agriculture?

They put people out of a job, because everyone realised how much more effective it was.

What happened when people started using Email?

It put people out of a job, because everyone realised how much simpler it was to use electronic communication instead of physical (which also adds to fuel consumption, i might add).

The answer is so absurdly simple you must be blind to not see it.



"the personal revolution is far more difficult, and is the first step in any revolution."

'music and politics' - the disposable heroes of hiphopricy



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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I'm sorry, who are you?



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 12:37 PM
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Hello, i'm a total noob to ATS



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 12:49 PM
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Good of you to share that, but could you perhaps add some detail as to your response?

"the personal revolution is far more difficult, and is the first step in any revolution."


Now, while that may be true, it's important to realise there are far greater methods of going about bringing about personal revolution than which are currently being employed by the awakened masses.

My belief is that the great number of people who can be reasoned with have been swayed over to the idea that we need new government - but equally, there are a great number of people who can be reasoned with but who will not be swayed because they don't want to hand power over to a bunch of willy-nilly teenagers going through a phase.

The first stage is the triumph of intellectualism, the second is when we prove our actual worth.

Once we do that, the flood gates will open.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
reply to post by Ah_Pook
 


Good of you to share that, but could you perhaps add some detail as to your response?

"the personal revolution is far more difficult, and is the first step in any revolution."



The first stage is the triumph of intellectualism, the second is when we prove our actual worth.

Once we do that, the flood gates will open.


Exactly! that's why the personal revolution is so difficult as it indeed needs to be a "triumph of intellectualism", which takes a lot of personal effort! especially when most of that effort is spent on sorting the wheat from the chaff of lies/ propaganda and revisionist history out there (mostly fed to us through mainstream media)



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 01:05 PM
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Ah, but the triumph of intellectualism is also a triumph over those elements of our own cause which are reckless and are more than willing to deal with the problem through violent and extremist means.

Until we have helped that part of our own cause to wake up to their own self-destructive anger, the masses will look upon us with ill-favoured disgust.

[edit on 8-7-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Ah_Pook
spent on sorting the wheat from the chaff of lies/ propaganda and revisionist history out there (mostly fed to us through mainstream media)


Yes, we could moan about the MSM all year long, but it won't change the fact that they continue to do it.

The MSM is the elite's intellectual challenge to us, one which each and every one of us has to overcome in order to see the truth.

By sorting the chaff of lies and propoganda from the truth, we can help others to see through the fog of confusion.

The problem is that the MSM is not the ultimate opponent, merely a part of him - a part that acts like a ink-squirter on a marine organism.

The MSM is the elite's method of escape from an angry foe, so as long as our anger is the overriding factor in our actions, we will never succeed.

Anger solves nothing.

What the people want from US, the leaders in the fight against oppressive government, is to see that we are just as capable of doing their job as the current government is.

Once they see proof of this (we can debate what that proof might be, if you like...) they will accept us, and some will even find it within themselves to step over the safety line that is the Government's way of showing the world that they are not safe unless they are protected by that aforesaid Government.

Once this happens, we can do as we will with that Government.


The Government's ultimate weapon has, and always will be, the people.

People are not easily swayed by words, and they turn away from violence.

Therefore, we are left with a choice -


Either we commit to a violent uprising, causing a great many deaths, or we show the people that we are better than the Government.


[edit on 8-7-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 01:25 PM
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Poignantly true for most of us at sometime or other i imagine, i admit i have resorted to the extremist viewpoint at times where my intelect has failed and yes it is very destructive to the self and in turn to the greater cause. It can be hard to see and admit when you are your own worst enemy.

Kudos to your insight A-T



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 01:28 PM
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Thanks for the recognition, A-P.

It's just a shame that there are individuals who would see this as me attacking their leadership - on both sides of the discussion (New Gov. Vs. Old Gov.)

[edit on 8-7-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 02:09 PM
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For the OP. I found this just today. I posted a thread about it but here is a youtube link.. the A.R.M. or american resistance movement.

I do believe we are alot closer to civil war then many realize...




posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 04:51 PM
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No man escapes when freedom fails,
The best men rot in filthy jails.
And those who cried 'Appease,' 'Appease,'
Are hanged by those they tried to please!

This is something i heard long ago on the subject and thought it appropriate for the discussion thread. Considcer one peaceful avenue would be to target those who are responsible, at least in part, for abuses and then refuse to patronize their companies. In the long run however, i am forced to concur with some of my collegues on one simple historical fact; in the declaration the founders wrote the following:

"Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Perhaps e can exchange ideas on how to most effectively contribute to the changes we can agree need to be made.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:07 PM
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"That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Thomas Jefferson



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:30 PM
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The best way to over throw the negative aspects of the US goverment is to allow Mc Cain to become president. Thus, a continuation of GW's policies well into the 21 century.

America will be a shell of it's once glory, with mass energy crisises, beggars, blackmarket arms trades, weed growing farmers, rampant prostitution and every ounce of Gold locked up in Fort Knox to control the dollar.

Then... and only then will the brainwashed zombie people finally take a stand.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:42 PM
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I'm not talking about blowing up buildings, or killing politicians. I'm just saying that if the entire country, or the majority of the country stood up, and stood together without selfish reservations, and said this is what we want, we won't settle for anything less, and were not going to stop bugging you all until we get it, we could vastly change this country


STRIKE STRIKE STRIKE!!!

I believe the only power the people have is to strike!
The government fears this most, thats why they've made it "nearly" impossible to even consider it. I've posted similar feelings on ATS before regarding this.
In order for a successful strike, people have to join in unity to provide help and assistance to each other, in effect we will be our own crisis management.
In the run up to a strike, we would ALL have to stock up on provisions and maybe an organization can be set up to help out.
The only way this can work is if this is done on a MASSIVE scale, sadly, it seems like fantasy. But not impossible...



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:51 PM
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You want to change your country ... then vote ... actually get off your arses and vote


Vote? Aint the votes counted electronically? i rest my case...



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 08:16 PM
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Here's another good reason to put our so-called leaders behind bars forever. They are far more evil than you might imagine. Furthermore, they are merely agents for the Vatican.

forgingnewparadigms.blogspot.com...

Here is Wisdom !!



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 08:51 PM
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This has all been said before, much more eloquently....



IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776

The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government , laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. — Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government.

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I so agree with all you have said, despite history about to repeat.

It is not sedition that will effect the greater good.

Events beyond our control will.




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