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Can anyone explain how the US got this bad?

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posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 01:11 PM
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Do you really believe that? You are the private property of the Federal Reserve Bank, put up as collateral against the US bankruptcy of 1933. Your SS number and your name printed in caps, identifies you as chattle. Still think slavery isn't condoned?

No, slavery is not condoned. I fail to see where your implication is that I am a slave. The Government isn't forcing me to work against my will. It isn't forcing me to stay in this country. I can just as easily quit collage and my part time job and live on the streets - or in the backwoods completely independent of the system. Or I could join a traveling music festival and live on the barter system. You don't NEED money to live. However, you do need it to be a functioning member of this society, and societies have rules and stipulations which must be obeyed. If you do not like those rules, you are FREE to live in another society.

And how DARE you compare your lot in life to Slavery when there are still REAL people living in the REAL horrors of slavery all over the world.

Modern Day Slavery

Oh, happy day. Equal tax revenues for the Fed. Equal enough to abandon the needs of our children. Equal enough to be REQUIRED out of necessity now to be in the workplace.

You don't understand. Women weren't slowly introduced to the workforce, they were basically drafted out of necessity during the turmoil of the last two World Wars. Back to back generations were sent off to wars, and we needed people to fill those manufacturing roles - especially IN those times of war. Especially WWII. You think Rosie the Riveter is revisionist history or something? No, women didn't gradually worm their way into our labor pool - they were tested in physically demanding roles traditionally filled by men in America's thus far greatest trial by fire. And they rose to the task. It's no wonder that they wanted to stay in the workforce. They FOUGHT to stay in the workforce.

WWII's impact on Women in the workforce

Further, there are many factors which contribute to inflation and the cost of living increase. As it is, it's perfectly doable to live on a single family income if you manage your money wisely. The problem is, most people live outside of their means and come to rely on two incomes for the added convenience the extra money brings. However, this increases the chance of layoffs, disabilities, etc, which can limit the income.

And this is only addressing ONE aspect of what I was talking about. It makes no mention of women's right to vote, to serve in the military, to hold public office, to be treated as equals.

Yes we are. (in regards to martial law)

No, we're not.

I dunno about your state, but the US Military isn't enforcing the law in my neighborhood. They are not seizing possessions, detaining people, or holding them without trial. It could be reasonably argued that New Orleans was under Martial Law after Katrina, but it was never declared despite a military presence. But no, not here, and not in most of America. Our state's justice is carried out by our local law enforcement. Not the military.

And as for Habeas Corpus, the clause suspending it has been stricken from the Military Commissions Act. A bit late, but honestly a lot sooner than I expected.

Habeas Corpus restored.

The Patriot Act is the product of the paranoid fear you are not seeing. The fear to speak out and be labeled a "conspiracy wacko." Warrantless wiretaps and bag searches. If not for the fear that you say doesn't exist, then why the violations of our rights?

To be sure, the Patriot Act is a violation of our Civil Rights and it has many who speak out against it without being proclaimed "conspiracy wackos" (except, those that really are conspiracy wackos). I have no doubt that it will be fought and eventually repealed. However, it's nowhere near as bad as McCarthyism was.

McCarthyism

Nor is it anywhere near as bad as the wholesale round up and indefinate detention of American citizens who's only crime was being of Japanese ancestry. Wanna talk about people being herded up like cattle on buses and trains and being shipped off to god knows where? It's already happened.

American Internment Camps

Do yourself a favor and look at those pictures. Seriously. You think America today is worse than the America that could subject it's own citizens to that?

We keep more people in prison than any other nation on the planet, including Communit China with their enormous population.

Indeed, this is something which needs to be addressed. However, it should be noted that the majority of those incarcerated are for non-violent offenses and drug related charges. This is partially due to the tough No Tolerance laws which the US has levied and then decided to back up with prison time rather than rehabilitation.

Further, when you look at the crime rates per capita, the US is not the leader in reported crime. Although still fairly close to the top, it's beaten out by countries such as Denmark, Chile, Montserrat, and the United Kingdom. (The US does lead the charts in total crimes altogether)

Crime Rate Statistics

But this isn't really about other countries. This is about America. And the crime rates have been on a downward trend since the 1970's in this country.

No, instead we have public executions in the streets by cops and criminals alike.

And when was this ever not the case?

Hello, Chicago in the Prohibition Era ring a bell, to name just ONE example.




posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 01:33 PM
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The Government isn't forcing me to work against my will.


Well, you're gonna have a hard time getting by without money, that's for sure. So step on up and earn your Minimum slave Wage that won't even earn you enought to provide for basic food shelter and clothing. You know, the necessities of life that were once provided by slave owners.



It isn't forcing me to stay in this country.


Try to leave this country if you owe child support, or back taxes, or if you can't afford the passport.



I can just as easily quit collage and my part time job and live on the streets - or in the backwoods completely independent of the system.


Not legally. You would be a trespassing squatter, and a vagrant. The FBI Uniform Crime Report for 2005 lists 33,227 vagrancy violations.



Or I could join a traveling music festival and live on the barter system.


Again, not legally. You still have to maintain an address and you still have to pay taxes.



They FOUGHT to stay in the workforce.


Yes, they fought to stay in the workforce. An ingenious plan don't you think. Voluntary servitude.



I dunno about your state, but the US Military isn't enforcing the law in my neighborhood.


Every single courtroom in the United States that displays a national flag with gold fringe trim is operating under military authority, not Constitutional law. We've been under martial law for a very long time.

Illegitimate Federal Government and the Rule of Martial Law in the United States



However, it should be noted that the majority of those incarcerated are for non-violent offenses and drug related charges.


And that makes it better? Obviously those who are not in prison for violent offenses are the clearest examples of an oppressive government. Those people are political prisoners. People doing time for the governments failures in socio-economic policy.



Further, when you look at the crime rates per capita, the US is not the leader in reported crime.


We have more people in prison than any other country, both raw figures and per capita. Reported crime is irrelevant as we have no way of determining the grounds for the disposition of the cases.



And when was this ever not the case?


Sure, there has always been the occassional outburst of street crime, but never to the levels we are seeing today. There were three shootings just this week in the little city I am from. A little city where it used to be safe to walk at night.



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 02:11 PM
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I'd hardly say that life is comfortable or convenient for the one in eight Americans living below the poverty line.

Apparently you don't know what it was like to live below the poverty level 20 years ago. 40 years ago. 100 years ago.

Why yessiree, if only our poverty striken folk of 2008 had the luxurious lifestyles of those Hoovervillites, America would be fine and dandy.

And healthier? For who, the few people who can afford healthcare?

I agree that the health care system desperately needs reformed, however it's not nearly as bad as it used to be. Hospitals cannot turn away a patient in need of emergency care, though they will bill you for it later. There are plenty of charity works and pro bono or medical collages which will care for you at reduced or no cost. Further, advances in medicine and medical technology is greatly enhanced. It's one of the reasons why the average American lifespan has doubled in the last 100 years.

Then there is our "healthy" food supply...

Ech, those links are bogus information.

Starved to death on fast food? The food you eat is a choice that YOU decide upon. You can't blame some evil conspiracy some irresistable campaign temptation if you shovel your mouth full of greasy fast food and calorie dense/nutrient sparse garbage. Nobody is forcing you to eat that crap, and nobody with any credibility is going to tell you a triple whopper with cheese and bacon is healthy for you. You can just as easily go down to your local grocery store and get a head of broccoli, tuna, carrots, apples, you name it. And for god's sake, get some exercise, try walking there.

As for the Codex Alimentarius, they're not planing on baning nutrients, vitamins, minerals, etc. Have you even looked at their proposed charter?

Guidelines for Vitamin and Mineral Food Suppliments

Note that that is hosted by the American Holistic Health Association, because this is really what it's about. It's about putting Holistic and Alternative medicines up to the same scrutiny that other foods and drugs are currently held to. It's about ensuring that proper contents and dosages are labeled, production and packaging is hygienic and free of contaminants, and to ensure that such supplements are not dangerous. Those supplements which holistic practitioners have already submitted to the rigors of medical testing (such as MSM or Echinacea) that are shown to have either a non-apparent, slightly beneficial, or highly beneficial effect will not have anything to worry about.

Holistic medicine can be extremely dangerous, as it's "doctors" often have little to no credible medical training, it's products and methods are not tested, and their patients often waste valuable time in getting serious medical conditions treated because they put their faith in unproven, untested, unlicensed, and unsupervised "medical" practitioners who could not properly diagnose them.

So yes, this industry does feel threaten by the Codex, and will spew propaganda to try to turn public opinion against them. In many ways, they're no better than Creationists in my view. You'd think a red flag to this scheme would be found in her entire first video in which she right out of the gate tries laboriously to establish and drive home the link between the Codex and boogyman "Nazi Germany" as well as the Holocaust. She doesn't have a professional case to present, she's pleading to you to listen to her and using fear as a mechanism in that.

The Guidelines for Vitamins and Minerals will no more diabolical than HACCP. You really think they're going to outlaw Chicken Soup, or persecute you if you give it to your child to help them get over a cold?

Wow... just... wow....

I mean, maybe I could see you getting in legal trouble for letting your child die of pneumonia thinking Chicken Soup and Vitamin C alone would cure them... but then, it wouldn't be the Codex persecuting you. It's be Child Welfare Services and the police.



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 03:38 PM
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Sorry, I'm going to have to reply in short bursts here. But here goes.



Why yessiree, if only our poverty striken folk of 2008 had the luxurious lifestyles of those Hoovervillites, America would be fine and dandy.


www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.youtube.com...

You don't have to dig deep to find the reality of the situation, if you really care to see it.

And of course, this says nothing of the thousands upon thousands who go un-noticed, because they, like myself, are homeless yet employed and clean.

This also says nothing of the people living in squalrous tenements and motel rooms.



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 03:45 PM
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Hospitals cannot turn away a patient in need of emergency care, though they will bill you for it later.


Not only do they bill you for it later, they don't bother to really treat you other than maybe to give you a pain pill. I had severe dental problems that required immediate attention, and all I got was a prescription for codeine, which I used to remove my own teeth. That's just one of many examples.

How about the woman who died on the ER floor just recently?



Further, advances in medicine and medical technology is greatly enhanced.


Only for those who can pay. Do you think someone who is not insured will get a new kidney when they need one?



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 03:50 PM
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Ech, those links are bogus information.

Starved to death on fast food?


Obviously you didn't bother to read through the information, or even try to understand what was presented. You can only lead a horse to water as they say.



You can just as easily go down to your local grocery store and get a head of broccoli, tuna, carrots, apples, you name it.


Not if you can't afford it. Healthier foods are more expensive. And did you bother to notice the example of the humble potato? About seventy percent of the nutrition has been lost now, due to the practices and standards of our food suppliers.



posted on Jul, 19 2008 @ 12:20 PM
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Yes. It's explained in my post, For neo-Nazi holocaust deniers www.abovetopsecret.com... It's a long post, so you will have to spend at least an hour going to different pages and scrolling down through them until something catches your eyes. Just skip around at the middle pages and beginning pages and end pages. It's all there.

Basically, in one sentence: The German bankers (& Illuminati dating back to the 1st Reich around 1200-1400 a.d. about 400 years later) founded the Bank of England which founded the Fed in 1913 which financed the Germans & Communists and Nazis, and after WWII the Nazis were absorbed into the CIA and did the bogus Cold War against the Soviets who defeated the Germans in WWI and WWII, and then went on to finance and train al Qaeda who did WTC/911 to benefit the oil companies that sponsored them ... and there's your answer.


I agree with you, having researched this myself. The Bankers are originally to blame, no doubt of that, that is why I am so against bankers and the FED. Money, money, money is all they think about, and they will do anything to make more of it. the biggest money-maker of all time is war, plain and simple, the Revolution was financed, both sides, and after that all wars were financed, by the same banks. After all, America, with all of it's military might, cannot have a decent war without first arming the enemy with weapons with which to fight such a war. America is the largest arms dealer in the world, IMHO.



posted on Jul, 20 2008 @ 12:07 AM
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Apparently you don't know what it was like to live below the poverty level 20 years ago. 40 years ago. 100 years ago.


And apparently you don't know what I know cause you don't know jack.


Seriously though, I actually do know, first hand, what poverty was like in past decades. I have been very poor several times in my life, despite living quite well at other times.



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