Originally posted by WhatTheory
Sorry, that is not correct.
Leftist practices hold back the middle class from becoming upper class and leftist practices create the the poor class.
You just summed up what capitalism did and if you included the achievements of the democratic struggle, that prevented capitalism from reducing
Americans to third world citizens, you would have had a very good summary indeed.
Obama is a leftist, an extreme leftist!
Obama would not achieve centrist status in the vast majority of European societies and it's only in America , where people are horrendously
misinformed, that a right winger can be called a far leftist, by the far right press, with any success. No wonder Americans confused and thus mad as
hell at African Americans, Arabs and anyone who dares say anything about their social system.
Name me one major issue where his view is not that of a leftist.
Since i have proved myself able to source my claims maybe you can start by telling us what makes him a leftist in your eyes? If your going to use
American standards your just going to be wasting my time so feel free to look at what right/center/left actually means for the civilized world.
I mean he is for giving drivers licenses to illegals,
I don't know that he is but aren't both the Supposed right and left wing candidates for globalization and thus for allowing millions of South
Americans and Mexicans to flood over the border? Why wouldn't any proper government at least want to issue these people with identification documents
so they can at least be tracked for illegal activity? How do you protect your citizens if illegals work completely outside of the system? I don't
understand how formalising the fact that millions of Mexicans are living in the US makes him a far leftist when Bush and the gang did absolutely
NOTHING to fix the elder bush and Clinton era's near open border policies?
universal healthcare,
Well if you think that is a sign of far leftism you should go live in the third world where the free market truly reigns and people are allowed to die
if they can't afford their own health care. Why on Earth should a government not rather spend the tax money it in's on such programs instead of on a
globe spanning military machine? How is universal health care bad when the vast majority of American citizens WANTS it, have always been in favor of
it and keep voting for such ideas? Why do suppose right wing candidates win in the US when the citizens are clearly then all crazed left wingers?
income redistribution,
Once again it's surprising that the moment any proposes that the rich be taxed more heavily than the middle classes and the poor everyone calls it
'class warfare' but when the rich barely pays taxes ( how much food can you really eat and how much gas can you use? and the poor gets taxed on
EVERYTHING they do it's just 'capitalism' and 'free market' . Why doesn't anyone ever point out that we have been dealing with horrendously
regressive income redistribution that takes almost everything from the poor and then hands it over to the rich? Did you think the rich were getting
richer because they worked far harder or were THAT much smarter than those who were getting poorer? I suppose that wouldn't be surprising giving the
racist overtones of most right wing believes about their fellow human beings.
higher taxes,
And while higher taxes and inflation eats up the meager earnings of the poor and middle classes the rich are not longer able to buy a second new car
every year. Sorry for not bursting out in tears.
more government regulation and bigger government in general.
Governments in the US have almost always grown and the only difference seems to be that it may be growing far faster under republicans than democrats.
I suspect the reason behind that is normally to better police the society against democratic forces but it may just be more pentagon contracts for
their friends in industry. As for more government regulation the governments with the most regulation in economic affairs tends to be the most
prosperous and that's why people will always want more regulation to stop those who have already grown wealthy, normally from government contracts,
from employing that wealth to gain even more power
I could go on and on.
And i am sure the reasoning will be just as unreasonable.
Originally posted by WhatTheory
I don't believe he is pretty religious. He only attented the america bashing church in order to get elected in his home state.
The church in question was not bashing American but in fact some machinery in it that has been employing American tax money to oppress large parts of
the world for decades. Since that is a fact it will only be seen as 'bashing' by those who deny reality or those who are getting rich by involving
themselves in that oppression.
He is pro abortion which is against religious beliefs.
Depending on which parts of which bible you happen to believe in, yes....
The few times he as spoken publically about religion, it was obvious he did not know what he was talking about.
And that is the case for 99% of people who hold religious beliefs as people are self serving and will in the end believe what they are propagandized
to while ever twisting such beliefs to their own wishes.
I will have to see if I can find a link.
But religion in general is not a political issue and that is what I was talking about in the previous post.
Feel free. The whole abortion issue is very interesting given how the republican party was enthusiastic abortionist until they realised that they
could use it as tool to divide nominally democratic voters who also happen to have serious religious convictions. As with most issues religion is just
a tool used by politicians who rarely practice what they preach or even employ a religious spirit ( as widely understood in the new testament) in
decision making.
Stellar
