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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 02:31 AM by thegdfather
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I thought it was informative but anytime a video try's to rely heavily on impacting and sometimes tricking ones emotion with clever music and clip
arrangement, then I tend to get worried. I would be careful with this film, I think many aspects of it and many people in it believe 100% in what
they're doing. But I also believe some people might be abusing these people and maybe misdirecting them.
The scene where Alex meets up with the group of basically young adults and go piss of Rivera is kinda sketchy. Something about a man leading a group
of young kids just got me wondering about his affect and possible control he has over the "truth" movement.
The younger kid seems legit once again I just am not sure about Alex Jones yet.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 07:04 PM by TeslaandLyne
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You won't find old people going against the Illuminati.
The Geraldo incident happened, the FOX show had Geraldo outside near the
side walk.
Young men and woman should get Illuminati jobs so as not to
miss out on social security payments when they are old.
Following Jones in his parades can't pay much but I think they
will forever be matching around the new WTC.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 07:26 PM by SparkOfLife
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The scene with Jones in time square is a complete joke.
He is fallowed by other activists with an entire camera
crew, lights, boom mic operator. The whole shabang, like something out of a bad Oliver Stone movie.
This again creates a large image of alex jones and promotes his image. It also makes one believe
that with all the camera attention Alex Jones can 'almost' be refered to as an Actor. The part where Alex is explaining what they are about to do to
Herualdo Revera's show
'Guerilla Information Warfare' again 'monkey see, monkey do' or in this instance 'monkey see, monkey say'
In this isntance Jones is refering to chanting 9/11 was an inside job while Reveira are on the air.
This is not guerilla information warfare and anyone who gets handing out flyers and panphlets with facts presented
mixed up with yelling something at the top of your lungs in a enviroment. This is one of many
behavioural manipulating tactics of Alex Jones.
'Chant 9/11 was an inside job slowly'
How rediculous does this make the entire movement look. Childish, just a total disgrace.
If someone new to this, were to get this far into the movie and see this they are immediately
going to be 'weirded-out' by Alex Jones and label the ENTIRE truth movement as 'looney'
Also the fact that they targeted FOX, known for attacking truthers. This is a PERFECT opportunity
for loyal veiwers to further there distaste for 9/11 activist. They present themselves so clearly and also
rudely, they allow themselves to be targets of redicule and it is becoming more and more obvious that SOME
elements of the Truth Movement are delibrately making themselves look foolish. Specifically Alex Jones.
You can also see at one point, right around 1hr 40mins the real lack of coordination.
Again made almost, delibrately to look foolish. These are all small details, but they are key to mention
when taking in consideration how someone new to the issue's outlook on the 9/11 Truth Movement.
One may notice the total sharade that is being played between Geraldo and Alex Jones, you can see this
when Geraldo flashed the bird to the crowd and the childish way in which they respond. This story
line honestly reminds me of WWF Vince McMahahon vs Stone Cold Steve Austin, though i wouldn't
even give AJ the graditude of being compared to the caliber of actor that Stone Cold is in comparison to Alex Jones
Again Alex Jones seems to want people to be turned off by his personality, the way he yells
'9/11 was an inside jo-ob' over the megaphone. He literately has tone of a child. Very deep psychologically
impacting stuff, what would a Libreal women in her mid-thirties think the first time she seen this and the way
the Truth Movement was protraying itself. She would be turned off to it entirely.
It raises question as to why Alex Jones took it apoun himself to use a megaphone, knowing he would get arrested
that alone seems like a staged event. Using 'being arrested' as some kind of proof that he is the real deal
though he is detained for a small by-law infraction and released hours later. Notice how Jones immediately
admits to using the blowhorn. This is absolutely rediculous, by this time in the 180seconds Alex Jones appeared
in his own film. He has made a COMPLETE fool of himself and more than likely is doing this purposely.
Only those who are Alex Jones followers could ever watch this with a straight (serious) face.
Also this 'security' that is with Alex Jones seems to also be very strange. One may observe that one of the
security guards leads the crew to Geraldo live wareabouts. Are these some kind of Stage Managers?
It definately seems that way when you see the way Geraldo, again Vince McMahon like points at
Alex while he is being arrested. This is a complete sherade.
Chanting 'LET HIM GO'
Do I have to say anything more ?
How CHILDISH AND USELESS IS THIS.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 07:32 PM by hoochymama
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I believe this is called a "Demonstration" or "Protest". We used to have these all the time in our country when it wasn't "illegal". I am
ashamed of my country when we no longer have the right to assemble as a people, regardless whether you believe in the cause or not, and protest what
we don't think is right.
There is no movement. There is no Alex Jones leading the way. There is nothing but our individual right as a American citizen to know the truth
about 911 and to know WHY 30,000 TO 50,000 FIRST RESPONDERS ARE NOT GETTING THE CRITICAL CARE THEY NEED!!! This is a question we all should be asking
even if you don't believe 911 was an inside job.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 07:44 PM by SparkOfLife
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9/11 was an inside job.
But it goes far beyond 'the republican party' or any paradigm like that.
Reality is that not even the people at the highest levels knew what was actually going to happen, it was created to confuse everyone. They added
explosives in the buildings so that people would only point at thermite and Controlled Demolition. Fact is that the entire WTC complex was taken down
by a DEW and a UAV projecting a holographic image of a plane struck the WTC. Think about it, how could they use a plane if the building was rigged
with explosives ? There would be too much of a chance of bombs going off prematurely, fact is that the building was hit with a missle UAV and Alex
Jones and Loose Change and Steven Jones (DEW SPECIALIST) continue to deny this theory. Though it is the ONE THEORY WILL ALL THE LOGICAL REASON AND
ACTUAL PHYSICS TO BACK IT UP.
This movie is using the story of the first responders as an emotional crutch.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 07:53 PM by Anonymous ATS
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Its not so much Alex being a shill or paid operative of the CIA or New World Order as it is hes used to divert from the real enchilada. He thinks he
is making headway and exposing it when in reality he is just burying folks deeper into the lie. Many are used unknowingly to push the NWO
agenda...thats why it keeps trucking along so nice and neat without too much hinderance.
However Alex is starting to somewhat come around because he had Hoagland on just last week for awhile and is planning to have him on longer soon.
I spoke with someone once that lived with an illuminati family and he said that 70-85% of the anti-New World Order movement was a destraction for
something else.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 07:57 PM by hoochymama
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SparkofLife -
There are many theories to how the buildings came down which are backed by logic and physics. The only problem is were just normal people like Alex
and all the folks who were in the protest and we don't have the means nor the money to investigate ourselves. What EVERYONE who believes that 911
was fishy wants is a Independent investigation by our Government to find out the truth. Whether it was Holographic images of planes with a UAV
shooting missiles at the towers, whether there were regular explosives in the buildings, or whether there was thermite which brought the towers down.
If you notice, Alex or Luke in this film or if you listen to his radio show doesn't really talk about the two towers that much because the easiest
and most reliable proof that says there was something evil going on that day was how did building 7 fall. We all know that there were explosives in
that building. No holographic plane, not thermite, no Alien ship, and no small yield nukes. But WE ALL SAW that building go down by demolition.
I think a lot of the people who argue the HOW need to focus on the WHY. For one thing we don't know what the Government has in there black ops chest
of secret weapons. Leave Theories to what they are just guesses on what happened. We need to focus on WHY they did it and not get into arguments
about who is the leader of the movement and who has the correct theory on how the towers fell.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 08:52 PM by SparkOfLife
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It matters beause we know what kind of weapons they used Directed Energy Weapons, we KNOW they didnt use planes. I don't accept anything Alex says
beacuse he isnt even open to the idea of DEWs or TV-FAKERY, that is fishy. It matters what they used beacuse if Raytheon was involved in this they
HAVE to be punished, we can't let this thermite myth steer the blame away from the perpetrators. Aswell we can't let the MEDIA get away with showing
false images, this is why the issue of 'HOW' is very important.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 09:59 PM by hoochymama
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So, with your way of logic your saying we need to punish Rayethon?? If "your" theory IS correct than this still doesn't answer the question.
WHY???? Who has something to gain from this??? Rayethon already has the defense contracts... I had a Uncle who used to work for them and he made a
very good living.
What I am trying to say is don't get so caught up in what someone "believes" or doesn't. I will tell you one thing, I listen to Alex Jones
because he doesn't just talk about 911, he talks about the elite and the WHY. I don't care if he thinks the people who's theory revolves around
Thermite, Holographs, or Small Nukes. He has been doing this way before 911 and trying to expose the people who are behind this. Whether its
Rayethon, Boeing, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfield, etc.
You need to get over who is right and wrong as far as how it was done. It doesn't really matter in the long run. Let me ask you this...Who is
responsible for the Oklahoma Bombing and how was it done???
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:05 PM by hoochymama
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He has done more to expose the REAL people behind all this control than anyone I have ever heard. You really think he is some shill put here by the
Government to lead people to the wrong conclusion?? Again, even the people that listen to him don't buy into HOW. I hear it all the time. Someone
will call in and start going on about HOW they think (fill in the conspiracy here) happened. He will give his opinion but at the end of it he even
says it doesn't matter how it was done it matters WHO DID IT.
We get so consumed to whether us individuals are RIGHT and OUR opinion is the real truth but when it comes down to it WE ALL ARE ARGUING ABOUT THE
SAME THING AND ABOUT THE SAME PEOPLE. It doesn't really matter HOW, it matters WHO.
I have my own opinion about the Twin Towers, JFK, Gulf of Tonkin, Oil, etc. The only thing that ties all these together is the people because we
truly don't have any idea of how these things transpired, we only have our opinions.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 10:27 PM by -Reason-
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Remember that Alex Jones is an entertainer. He is trying to sell his movies. I also think that he is trying to get the word out and doing it in the
way that he knows that people will watch. I have only watched Endgame, so I cannot speak for the 911 movie, but I do think that Alex Jones is doing
what he thinks is right. I think you have to look at ANY movie of this nature with a decerning eye. You take the "facts" that are truthfull and
that's it. All of the theatrics that go with a movie you push to the side.
I'll tell you one thing... I whole heartedly believe that there is a group -I won't call them elite because they are not- that wants nothing but
the downfall of freedom and man. They hate the idea of freedom to the extent that they will do ANYTHING they can to enslave us all. With no remorse.
Power is all they seek. That's one of the biggest reasons why I like Alex Jones. This is what he talks about and it doesn't matter to me if he is
someones lacky or not. CIA or however. Maybe he is CIA controlled. But by which group in the CIA would be the kicker? Us or Them.
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reply posted on 6-7-2008 @ 11:58 PM by SparkOfLife
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DEW again. That is how it was done.
Raytheon again.
and yeah alex jones was doing this way before 9/11
he actually came out of no where and on Dec 31st 1999
he tried to say that russia was going to nuke the US
it was a hoax and alot of people actually defrauded him.
ALEX JONES HOAX EXPOSED
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reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 12:02 AM by SparkOfLife
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Lenin, the first Communist dictator after the takeover of Russia in 1917, is widely credited with the following quotation, "The best way to control
the opposition is to lead it ourselves."
1. OGCT. This is known as the “Official Government Conspiracy Theory”. This version states that a guy from a cave in Afghanistan conspired with 19
boxcutter-wielding Muslims to hijack airplanes, outwit the USA’s entire multi-trillion dollar defense system, and cause the Twin Towers to collapse.
This is the version pushed by the government and media as being the truth of 9/11.
2. APCT. I call this the “Alternate Propaganda Conspiracy Theory”. This version states that, more or less, there were hijackings on 9/11, but the
planes might have been taken under remote control to ensure they crashed as planned. Airplanes most likely crashed at the Pentagon and Shanksville,
but planes definitely did crash into the Twin Towers. The Twin Towers and WTC 7 collapsed from conventional explosives and thermite, and molten metal
was found in the rubble. This is the version pushed by the government and media as being the “wacko conspiracy theory” that the “truth
movement” believes. This is what Alex CIA Jones pushes. As does Steven Raytheon Jones and Norman Lockheed Martin Mineta
3. REAL. This, simply, is the REAL version, backed by actual evidence, Laws of Physics, and common sense: There were no hijackings, no plane crashes,
the corporate media broadcasted cartoons of an airplane impacting the South Tower, and the WTC complex (not just the Towers and WTC 7) was destroyed
with Directed Energy Weapons (DEW). The government and media steer clear of these.
Is it possible the “truth movement” has been run by the 9/11 perpetrators since day one?
Is it possible that certain individuals have been planted to steer the “truth movement” away from the perpetrators? Is it possible these plants
have affiliations with directed energy weapons (DEW)?
Is it even possible that some of these plants are “in on it” while others got suckered in.
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reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 12:05 AM by SparkOfLife
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Alex Jones is CIA project Mocking Bird.
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reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 12:16 AM by Pellevoisin
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Originally posted by hoochymama
I believe this is called a "Demonstration" or "Protest". We used to have these all the time in our country when it wasn't "illegal". I am
ashamed of my country when we no longer have the right to assemble as a people, regardless whether you believe in the cause or not, and protest what
we don't think is right.

In Canada and the USA there are these new "speech zones" meant to contain freedom of speech. The Nazis and Soviets had variations on these
themes.
I think the reason they succeed is because there are enough people who actually hate free speech -- they want to live their lives in their bubble and
live as though no other opinion, no contrary idea, no pressing needs are out there.
One of the action items for Canadians and USAmericans should be the re-establishing of genuine free speech rights and not letting our governments get
away with conducting themselves behind barricades they erect to keep the people out.
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reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 12:33 AM by hoochymama
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Again, I don't really care how it was done. There is no way you can prove it was the way you say it. There is NO WAY I can prove what my theory is
as far as how they did it.
All you need to understand is WHO. The people WHO are behind this is the real enemy, not Alex Jones. Your hate for Alex Jones is confusing your
thought process. Don't get so bound up in the HOW. Don't think for a second that I don't question Alex Jones's theories. We need to question
everything. I wont take your theory and make it so. Thats just the way I am.
But, you need to look at who the culprits are and why there doing this. This isn't the first time in our history that something like this has
happened. This is my main point. You need to look beyond the HOW and think of the WHY. There are many theories on how JFK died. But, does it
really matter how??? It really matters WHY...........
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reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 04:24 AM by Maya432
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Originally posted by SparkOfLife
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DEW again. That is how it was done.
Raytheon again.
and yeah alex jones was doing this way before 9/11
he actually came out of no where and on Dec 31st 1999
he tried to say that russia was going to nuke the US
it was a hoax and alot of people actually defrauded him.
ALEX JONES HOAX EXPOSED 
time to step in here
first I`m going to say the ALEX JONES ROCKS
your "alex jones hoax exposed" was a very poor attempt.
I`m sure that anyone who ACTUALLY listened to all of it can see that
there is NO HOAX there..
mostly alex talked about how the governments were using y2k
as a way to try to get the public freaking out..
it worked.....
and second he also talked about the crooked leaders in russia
and what methods they were using to make y2k a fun fear-filled experience.
alex knows some media hyping techniques, and i`m glad that he used them...its a bit over the top but nothing compared to the MSM.
and if he is on the side for TRUTH, then a would encourage
any of those hyping techniques(if thats what it takes to get the message
out)
anyway......the movie is EXCELLENT...
everybody needs to see TERROR STORM
and END GAME too...
even the bbc just said that tower 3 could not have come down
by the damage it sustained...
911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
911 WAS AN INSIDE JOB
overwhelming evidence and Top class testimony as well
the lower level truth movement together have
proven that the official story is a lie and AN INSIDE JOB.
as far as RATHEON goes???...don`t know....really don`t care..
bigger fish to fry
bring on the debunkers..... its time to be EDUCATED
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reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 05:08 AM by Nonchalant
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wow..powerful documentary.
It certainly opened my eyes to how far the truth movement in America has progressed. The 'in your face' camera interviews with cops & politicians
was great too
As for some of the allegations in this thread that Alex Jones is CIA or a shill  - this is nothing more than an attempt to divide the truth
movement, based on the precept 'a house divided against itself will fall'. I suggest (with lack of any proof to support such allegations) people
just ignore such mumblings, and recognise promoters of such claims may be CIA or shills themselves..
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reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 01:54 PM by SparkOfLife
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How could there be bigger fish to fry if the ones who developed the weapons to kill 2974 people are getting away ?
Bigger fish to fry ?
why dont you think for yourself and stop listening to the Shill that is alex jones
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reply posted on 7-7-2008 @ 01:56 PM by SparkOfLife
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Actually the divinding of the truth movement is being done by Alex Jones, he denies the no plane theory which is pretty much proven as well as DEW
weapons. So he is the shill that denies key information. So, he is the shill.
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