Are those Israelis 'citizens' or plain terrorists and criminals? (Warning: Disturbing Photos)

reply to post by JOINTHERESISTANCE


why should the OP find `good` photo`s just to make you happy? does those photo`s upset you to say bias? why are they biased in your opinion?

Originally posted by SKUNK2Also the children getting taught how to handle a weapon is no different than what happens in America.

No way, really?

You mean all those street kids that are better armed then the Police?
You mean all those toys we make to keep kids 'practising' war games?

American Kids Love Guns 1988


Not the same thing you say?

How many people in America own guns?
While there is no need to carry them on the street currently, Nevada is one state where you can

So what would happen if they came to our doorstep... where living with this threat day after day...

America has more guns per person than anywhere...

Just watch what would happen if we needed to

Israel is surround by one billion muslim enemys. They are attacked on a daily basis. They have been threatened to be removed from the map. Sorry i dont feel sorry for the muslims

reply to post by HooHaa


amazing that 1/6th of the entire worlds population surround isarael

where do they all stand?

Israel has made it's own bed, now they get to lie in it.

If they didn't want to live surrounded by enemies they should have given more consideration to whether it was a good idea to colonize someone else's land in the first place

Similarly, whining about terrorism is ironic coming from a people whose state was founded by terrorists: look up the Stern Gang, the Irgun, the King David Hotel bombing.

Being "ethnically cleansed" tends to tick people off... and there is no group of people on Earth who should know that better than the Jewish people. The Jewish people know a thing or two about being oppressed and persecuted themselves

But instead they act out abused child syndrome writ large on their captive Palestinians

In the end, they'll either find a way to live in peace with their neighbors, or they'll fight them until there is nobody left alive in the region, Arab or Jew.

This picture, from the OP's source, really make me mad...



That takes some nerve for a Jew to say something like that after what has happened to their own people, and all that the world has done to prevent such atrocities as a result. So the Jews want to bring back the gas chambers now?

(Just to be clear, I am not anti-Jewish, but I do have some issues with Israel.)

(sorry, dbbl post.)

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(Sorry again, what the hell?)

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Shocking! I had only seen the picture of Israeli girls writing messages on arty shells, but not settlers roaming the streets with guns and building their own rockets... This is a story that is simply not told.

There needs to be an international force sent into Palestine/Israel and the entire territory turned into one country, shooting whoever doesn't want peace or compromise with their neighbors, both Palestine and Israeli...

This, is the only way for peace, I think... to take out the extremists who do not want peace or compromise or fairness.

Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by solarstorm

 

If you knew anything about Israel, you would know that every citizen must in some way complete a time of service in the Israeli Military. You would also know that many, many Israeli's carry their weapons everywhere in the settlements. And that Israeli settlers quite often act like militias to protect themselves where the IDF is to busy.

Course, that would be assuming you knew something about that region, other then the crap you glean from bigoted sources like the one in your OP.

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Actually I am 100% in tune to the region because my parents are from the middle east specifically Syria. So your cute little lecture about military is nothing new to me and how things are back there. Further more your beef is with the individual who titled the article and all I did was post it. I also stated how sad it is for humanity to treat each other this way.

Now please run along, find your reading glasses and take your blood pressure medications....have a nice day

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unimaps.com...

A more reasonable view of the map of the ME.

www.essortment.com...

Between 1517 and 1917, the Ottoman Empire of [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]Turkey controlled the areas of Lebanon, Syria, and Palestine. Supporting Germany during the First World War, the Turks were defeated and in 1916, the southern portion of control was mandated to Britain and France - Lebanon and [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]Syria going to France, with Palestine (the areas known today as Israel, Jordan, and the West Bank) controlled by the British. Jews had begun mass immigration to Palestine during the 1880’s and slowly started changing the very landscape from malarial swamps and dry desserts to farmable land. This also attracted a large number of Arab immigrants who were looking for employment and better living conditions.




In 1923 Palestine was divided into two areas by the British – 25% of the land (west of the Jordan River) was to be the Jewish homeland and administratively run by the Palestinian Jews. The remaining 75%, called Trans-Jordan would be the Arab-Palestinian homeland.

Arab Palestinians began a systematic effort to drive out the Jews from the area west of the Jordan River with continuous attacks on Jewish settlements. Most widely known was the 1936-39 “Arab Revolt”, where attacks on Jews continued mercilessly. The British, who once protected the Jews and Arabs from each other, soon began ignoring the situation after many of their own died getting in between Arabs and Jews. The Jews began pouring more and more resources into their own defensive force called the Hagana, which eventually became the Israeli Defense Forces (IDF).


By 1947, the British had grown weary of the Middle East and left it to the United Nations to decide the fate of the region. The UN passed resolution 181 partitioning the land west of the Jordan River (the original 25% of Palestine) into a Jewish Palestinian state and an Arab Palestinian state. The Jews accepted the resolution and the Arabs rejected it, claiming all of Palestine. On May 14, 1948 the Palestinian Jews celebrated for the first time as Israelis, but on the following day, seven neighboring Arab armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]Saudi [COLOR=blue ! important]Arabia, Iraq and Yemen invaded the new state. Many Arabs who were living within the new Israeli boundaries were encouraged to leave by the other Arab states so a mass invasion could wipe out all of the Jews. The Arabs, who were anticipating an easy victory, promised Jewish land and property in return. The Independence War lasted about a year and a half and the Arabs that had stayed in the Israeli boundaries became Israeli citizens; those that had left are known as one of the first waves of “refugees”.




[COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]Israel now had a state that was a little bit bigger than it was before the war, though their population was reduced slightly by the casualties sustained during the war. The area that was Arab Palestine was now controlled by Egypt (taking the Gaza Strip) and Jordan (occupying the West Bank). Jordan annexed this territory and the land east and west of the Jordan River was simply called Jordan.




In 1964 the Palestinian Liberation Organization was formed. Led by Yasser Arafat, it claimed to be the sole representative of the Palestinians. They vowed to reclaim the land and destroy the state of Israel.




In 1967, the Egyptian, Jordanian, and Syrian armies began to mobilize along the borders of Israel. Israel called for a pre-emptive strike and attacked Egypt, utterly destroying their Air Force within two hours. Jordan launched their attack from the West Bank, unaware of Egypt’s loss, while the Syrian army attacked from the Golan Heights mountains into the north. The Israelis won the war in six days and now controlled the Sinai Desert, the West Bank (including all of Jerusalem), the Gaza Strip, and the Golan Heights.




In 1973 on the eve of the holiest Jewish [COLOR=blue ! important][COLOR=blue ! important]holiday Yom Kippur, Syria and Egypt launched a surprise attack on Israel. After initial losses suffered due to the surprise, Israel still controlled most of the territory gained from the 1967 six-day war. In 1979, Egyptian President Anwar el-Sadat signed a mutual recognition pact with Israel in exchange for the return of the Sinai Desert.

www.tzemach.org...

Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. — from "Myths of the Middle East", Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries . . . . — Professor Bernard Lewis, Commentary Magazine, January 1975

From the beginning of history to this day, Israel-Judah-Judea has the only united, independent, sovereign nation-state that ever existed in "Palestine" west of the Jordan River. (In Biblical times, Ammon, Moab and Edom as well as Israel had land east of the Jordan, but they disappeared in antiquity and no other nation took their place until the British invented Trans-Jordan in the 1920s.)



After the Roman conquest of Judea, "Palastina" became a province of the pagan Roman Empire and then of the Christian Byzantine Empire, and very briefly of the Zoroastrian Persian Empire. In 638 CE, an Arab-Muslim Caliph took Palastina away from the Byzantine Empire and made it part of an Arab-Muslim Empire. The Arabs, who had no name of their own for this region, adopted the Greco-Roman name Palastina, that they pronounced "Falastin".



In that period, much of the mixed population of Palastina converted to Islam and adopted the Arabic language. They were subjects of a distant Caliph who ruled them from his capital, that was first in Damascus and later in Baghdad. They did not become a nation or an independent state, or develop a distinct society or culture.



In 1099, Christian Crusaders from Europe conquered Palestina-Falastin. After 1099, it was never again under Arab rule. The Christian Crusader kingdom was politically independent, but never developed a national identity. It remained a military outpost of Christian Europe, and lasted less than 100 years. Thereafter, Palestine was joined to Syria as a subject province first of the Mameluks, ethnically mixed slave-warriors whose center was in Egypt, and then of the Ottoman Turks, whose capital was in Istanbul.



During the First World War, the British took Palestine from the Ottoman Turks. At the end of the war, the Ottoman Empire collapsed and among its subject provinces "Palestine" was assigned to the British, to govern temporarily as a mandate from the League of Nations.

Israel never took land from Palestine since Palestine has never existed.

www.tzemach.org...

The Balfour Declaration of 1917, confirmed by the League of Nations Mandate, commited the British Government to the principle that "His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a Jewish National Home, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object. . . . " It was specified both that this area be open to "close Jewish settlement" and that the rights of all inhabitants already in the country be preserved and protected.



Mandate Palestine originally included all of what is now Jordan, as well as all of what is now Israel, and the territories between them. However, when Great Britain's protégé Emir Abdullah was forced to leave the ancestral Hashemite domain in Arabia, the British created a realm for him that included all of Manfate Palestine east of the Jordan River. There was no traditional or historic Arab name for this land, so it was called after the river: first Trans-Jordan and later Jordan.



By this political act, that violated the conditions of the Balfour Declaration and the Mandate, the British cut more than 75 percent out of the Jewish National Home. No Jew has ever been permitted to reside in Trans-Jordan/Jordan.



Less than 25 percent then remained of Mandate Palestine, and even in this remnant, the British violated the Balfour and Mandate requirements for a "Jewish National Home" and for "close Jewish settlement". They progressively restricted where Jews could buy land, where they could live, build, farm or work.



After the Six-Day War in 1967, Israel was finally able to settle some small part of those lands from which the Jews had been debarred by the British. Successive British governments regularly condemn their settlement as "illegal". In truth, it was the British who had acted illegally in banning Jews from these parts of the Jewish National Home.

No Jews allowed in Jordan. What a shock.

Even Arab officals state that Palestine is a lie.

he History and Meaning of "Palestine" and "Palestinians"
A Time To Speak [Website]

"There is no such thing as a Palestinian Arab nation . . . Palestine is a name the Romans gave to Eretz Yisrael with the express purpose of infuriating the Jews . . . . Why should we use the spiteful name meant to humiliate us? The British chose to call the land they mandated Palestine, and the Arabs picked it up as their nation's supposed ancient name, though they couldn't even pronounce it correctly and turned it into Falastin a fictional entity." — Golda Meir quoted by Sarah Honig, Jerusalem Post, 25 November 1995

Palestine has never existed . . . as an autonomous entity. There is no language known as Palestinian. There is no distinct Palestinian culture. There has never been a land known as Palestine governed by Palestinians. Palestinians are Arabs, indistinguishable from Jordanians (another recent invention), Syrians, Lebanese, Iraqis, etc. Keep in mind that the Arabs control 99.9 percent of the Middle East lands. Israel represents one-tenth of one percent of the landmass. But that's too much for the Arabs. They want it all. And that is ultimately what the fighting in Israel is about today . . . No matter how many land concessions the Israelis make, it will never be enough. — from "Myths of the Middle East", Joseph Farah, Arab-American editor and journalist, WorldNetDaily, 11 October 2000

From the end of the Jewish state in antiquity to the beginning of British rule, the area now designated by the name Palestine was not a country and had no frontiers, only administrative boundaries . . . . — Professor Bernard Lewis, Commentary Magazine, January 1975

Talk and writing about Israel and the Middle East feature the nouns "Palestine" and Palestinian", and the phrases "Palestinian territory" and even "Israeli-occupied Palestinian territory". All too often, these terms are used with regard to their historical or geographical meaning, so that the usage creates illusions rather than clarifies reality.
What Does "Palestine" Mean?
It has never been the name of a nation or state. It is a geographical term, used to designate the region at those times in history when there is no nation or state there.
The Philistines were not Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection ... with Arabia or Arabs.

The word itself derives from "Peleshet", a name that appears frequently in the Bible and has come into English as "Philistine". The name began to be used in the Thirteenth Century BCE, for a wave of migrant "Sea Peoples" who came from the area of the Aegean Sea and the Greek Islands and settled on the southern coast of the land of Canaan. There they established five independent city-states (including Gaza) on a narrow strip of land known as Philistia. The Greeks and Romans called it "Palastina".
The Philistines were not Arabs, they were not Semites. They had no connection, ethnic, linguistic or historical with Arabia or Arabs. The name "Falastin" that Arabs today use for "Palestine" is not an Arabic name. It is the Arab pronunciation of the Greco-Roman "Palastina" derived from the Peleshet.

Still more from same site:

Who Is A Palestinian?
During the period of the Mandate, it was the Jewish population that was known as "Palestinians" including those who served in the British Army in World War II.



Jews who might have developed the empty lands of 'Palestine' ... instead died in the gas chambers of Europe

British policy was to curtail their numbers and progressively limit Jewish immigration. By 1939, the White Paper virtually put an end to admission of Jews to Palestine. This policy was imposed the most stringently at the very time this Home was most desperately needed — after the rise of Nazi power in Europe. Jews who might have developed the empty lands of Palestine and left progeny there, instead died in the gas chambers of Europe or in the seas they were trying to cross to the Promised Land.



At the same time that the British slammed the gates on Jews, they permitted or ignored massive illegal immigration into Western Palestine from Arab countries Jordan, Syria, Egypt, North Africa. In 1939, Winston Churchill noted that "So far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied . . . ." Exact population statistics may be problematic, but it seems that by 1947 the number of Arabs west of the Jordan River was approximately triple of what it had been in 1900.



The current myth is that these Arabs were long established in Palestine, until the Jews came and "displaced" them. The fact is, that recent Arab immigration into Palestine "displaced" the Jews. That the massive increase in Arab population was very recent is attested by the ruling of the United Nations: That any Arab who had lived in Palestine for two years and then left in 1948 qualifies as a "Palestinian refugees".

And finally:

From Palestine To Israel
What was to become of "Palestine" after the Mandate? This question was taken up by various British and international commissions and other bodies, culminating with the United Nations in 1947. During the various deliberations, Arab officials, spokesmen and writers expressed their views on "Palestine".

"There is no such country as Palestine. 'Palestine' is a term the Zionists invented. . . . Our country was for centuries part of Syria. 'Palestine' is alien to us. It is the Zionists who introduced it." — Local Arab leader to British Peel Commission, 1937

"There is no such thing as Palestine in history, absolutely not" — Professor Philip Hitti, Arab historian to Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry, 1946

"It is common knowledge that Palestine is nothing but southern Syria." — Ahmed Shukairy, United Nations Security Council, 1956

By 1948, the Arabs had still not yet discovered their ancient nation of Falastin. When they were offered half of Palestine west of the Jordan River for a state, the offer was violently rejected. Six Arab states launched a war of annihilation against the nascent State of Israel. Their purpose was not to establish an independent Falastin. Their aim was to partition western Palestine amongst themselves.



They did not succeed in killing Israel, but Trans-Jordan succeeded in taking Judea and Samaria (West Bank) and East Jerusalem, killing or driving out all the Jews who had lived in those places, and banning Jews of all nations from Jewish holy places. Egypt succeeded in taking the Gaza Strip. These two Arab states held these lands until 1967. Then they launched another war of annihilation against Israel, and in consequence lost the lands they had taken by war in 1948.



During those 19 years, 1948-1967, Jordan and Egypt never offered to surrendar those lands to make up an independent state of Falastin. The "Palestinians" never sought it. Nobody in the world ever suggested it, much less demanded it.



Finally, in 1964, the Palestine Liberation Movement was founded. Ahmed Shukairy, who less than 10 years earlier had denied the existence of Palestine, was its first chairman. Its charter proclaimed its sole purpose to be the destruction of Israel. To that end it helped to precipitate the Arab attack on Israel in 1967.



The outcome of that attack then inspired an alteration in public rhetoric. As propaganda, it sounds better to speak of the liberation of Falastin than of the destruction of Israel. Much of the world, governments and media and public opinion, accept virtually without question of serious analysis the new-sprung myth of an Arab nation of Falastin, whose territory is unlawfully occupied by the Jews.



Since the end of World War I, the Arabs of the Middle East and North Africa have been given independent states in 99.5 percent of the land they claimed. Lord Balfour once expressed his hope that when the Arabs had been given so much, they would "not begrudge" the Jews the "little notch" promised to them.

Originally posted by camain
There are extremists on both sides, and this world won't be at peace, ever as long as the middle doesn't rise up, and eliminate them.

Camain

So the non-extremist middle should become extremist in order to eliminate extremism huh? So then who will be left to eliminate the now extremist middle? Or maybe it's not extremism when the middle does it?

Originally posted by zooplancton
ALL IN THE NAME OF RELIGION...

No it's not. It's in the name of land, money and power. All lusts that exist outside of religion as well. Religion is just a powerful tool for greedy men to use to get the ignorant to do their bidding. Get rid of religion and some other excuse will take it’s place, probably a belief system, but one that would never be called religion of course.

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I would like to point out that there is a big difference between a Jew and a Zionist, just as there is a big difference between a Muslim and an Islamic Terrorist.

www.jewsagainstzionism.com...


www.islamfortoday.com...

reply to post by US Monitor


amazing you copy/paste blocks of text without even bothering to look at history.


do you even understand the palastine mandate? the jewish riots of the 1929? or even any of the history?

Originally posted by xmotex
If they didn't want to live surrounded by enemies they should have given more consideration to whether it was a good idea to colonize someone else's land in the first place

Who are the ones colonizing it in the first place? To say that the Jewish people don't have some serious claims to the land is rather ignorant of the historical facts. That piece of land is going to be the downfall of all of us. Doesn't seem they can or want to share it with each other.

I will give you that the West Bank Settlers seem to be a very hardline orthodox breed. They don't seem to be the friendly neighbor types that's for sure.

I think that expanding Israeli settlements into the West Bank and Gaza are pretty stupid moves. I've never understood it nor condone it.