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Are those Israelis 'citizens' or plain terrorists and criminals? (Warning: Disturbing Photos)

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posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:24 AM
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reply to post by Night Watchman
 


there is a diffrence between hating Jews and hating the state of Israel
i dont see why so many people seem to shout out anti-semite
when anyone speaks out against the terrorist state of Israel.




posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:26 AM
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reply to post by OrangeAlarmClock
 


of course to them none jews are Dogs and not worthy of being seen as Human so they will condone the deaths of cuvilians,



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:31 AM
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Very balanced post.....
A bunch of settlers with guns,Israeli kid with gun and dead Palestinian who is allegedly "tortured by settlers".
This is proof of terrorism???
How can you know who killed the boy? Because this "fair and balanced"



Bye bye Israel


article tells you so?

But even the artillery shells that it showed says "Nasrallah... " something. Nasrallah is leader of Hizballah - Lebanese terror organization. Not Palestinian. And kids writing on it are not settlers. So the objectivity and integrity of this article is not even questionable. It is so skewed and false. Why no name of boy "tortured by settlers" is there? Maybe because someone else killed him...

OrangeAlarmClock - if you are brave enough and disarm the bomb while person who carries it can detonate any second - you should come here and help us out with that. There are dozens of cases when people with explosives on them could be safely disarmed - and so they were. And hey - they live even today.
edition.cnn.com...
www.msnbc.msn.com...
www.ynetnews.com...
www.ynetnews.com...
This is not always the case. So ,once again, i have no problem with you coming here and using your courage to save lives of potential terrorists. For the good cause, after all.
I also love this map. Maybe you can explain which side disagreed with 1948 partition plan? to clarify the picture a bit.
Edit: spelling.

[edit on 4-7-2008 by ZeroKnowledge]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:34 AM
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reply to post by ZeroKnowledge
 


there was a post on ATS about the 1948 partition plan
i will try and find it, was something about the US not realying on it.
so both sides thought neither wanted the plan to go ahead,

its somewhere here



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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Oh, but the evil palestinians are evil terrerists! They shoot rockets into Israeli cities!



yes, some palestinians are evil terrorists and many palestinians support them- some palestinians deliberatly shoot men, women and children, some run over them, so yes, by any definition those are terrorists



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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reply to post by bodrul
 





there is a diffrence between hating Jews and hating the state of Israel
....I dont see why so many people seem to shout out anti-semite ...

And then:



of course to them none jews are Dogs and not worthy of being seen as Human so they will condone the deaths of cuvilians,

Now you see why people shout? Civilian with explosives strapped to him who is not cooperating is not exactly civilian,now is he?
Percentage of Jews who think of non-Jews as dogs is hardly larger then that of Muslims thinking of Jews as dogs (or pigs/apes/whatever).



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:41 AM
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reply to post by ZeroKnowledge
 


in Islam Jews and christians are never referd to as dogs
but always refferd to children of the book

just so you know.

also if anyone paid notice to the rules of war in Islam
only military targets can be attacked and only those that pose a threat and only in times of prosicution.

granted some palestinians attack cuvilians aswell as military
but whats the diffrence from the Israeli killing cuvilians in the masses with bull dozers and apaches and abraham tanks?

when it comes to cuvilian deaths the Israelis kill far more then the palestinians in the west bank and gaza and hazbullah combined 10+ fold

[edit on 4-7-2008 by bodrul]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:51 AM
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Wow, there's allot of blatant propaganda on both sides of the argument here.

In fact, allot of this style of propaganda hasn't been around since the second world war.

This beating the chest over land and religion rights is stupid. All of you know the other side isn't going to budge, no more than you will.
This isn't some kind of a regulated debate where there is a clear winner. Nobody can win this.


With that being said... go ahead. Start your war. You're not shooting yet? Then shut it.

Religious war is pretty stupid.
You have two sides who worship the same god, but different versions of the story, killing each other off. Why? Every religion has changed it's story. Even if there were some truth in your religious texts, you've long since re-written it. Essentially, you're religion is wrong no matter what.
... and you're actually contemplating killing each other over it?

Meanwhile, we Atheists are LAUGHING HYSTERICALLY at you.

So go ahead. Continue the rally calls on both sides. We're enjoying this.

[edit on 4-7-2008 by johnsky]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:55 AM
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So being 'ATHIESTS' solves all the world problems????


I like it



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 11:08 AM
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reply to post by bodrul
 


I also would like to assure you that in Judaism non-Jews are not considered dogs. Or sub-humane,for that matter. I am not responsible however for all the Jews and there can be people who might think or even say so. I also think that no one can be ,or needs to be, responsible for what all Muslims think or say. But to say that all X considers all non X,or all Y as non/sub-humans - is not fair in any case.
As for civilian/militia ratio in number of Palestinian dead. This is a bad thing,naturally. A lot of kids die,too. But can you explain me why there is such low ratio of women to men? This is actually a "good" thing, but it is not the same with Jewish civilian losses. So at least there is some attempt to try and not hurt what is identified as a non-threat. This is how i see it. And if Israeli army would operate mainly from civilian areas against stronger opponent - do you think that ratio of military to civilian losses will be different?
Example:
Israel withdrew from northern Gaza. There is empty area - no civilians. And yet terrorists/military is not acting from there - no human shield.
I do not say that Israel is white and furry and always does what it can to hurt only the "bad" guys. But i also do not see that Palestinian leaders are trying to protect its population or at least not to draw fire on civilian locations. It is a guerrilla-kind war. There is no jungle,no forest ,no desert and no unreachable mountains. So the weaker side uses what is in abundance to hide them self - a general population.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 11:14 AM
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Maybe between your laughs at the hilariously bloody situation you can provide examples of "blatant propaganda?" Atheist or not, you cannot blame religion/s on all the world problems. It was a certain side's blatant propaganda between WW1 and WW2, did not interfere with that side killing millions of its and foreign people. No discrimination for religion though.
Maybe a problem is that people who see what is wrong and can help out, but instead they choose to sit by and laugh isterically until the conflict swallows them too.
Edit - spelling. At least some of it.

[edit on 4-7-2008 by ZeroKnowledge]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 11:17 AM
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Dude that's where they live and fight.You can't expect 'Hamas VS israel' round in the harsh mountainous terrains of Afghanistan.Well Nato is struggling there too


For Israel to achieve peace,its as simple as giving the Palestinian lands back.But if Israeli leaders care for their own people they woulda done that time ago.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 11:23 AM
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ALL IN THE NAME OF RELIGION...


get me off this small minded rock. so sad, so sad...



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 11:34 AM
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Well one thing is for certain; I sure would not like these guys to be my neighbours.

But as we know, almost every Israeli - man or woman - has to join the army so I guess the miliary training and the military mindset (or should I say government brainwashing of civilian individuals), is to blame for this kind of photos. If they can have a full combat equipment and walk around without even being questioned by the police or the armed forces, then we can see what kind of country Isreal really is - a militant regime.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 11:39 AM
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I simply tried to answer to some part why i think there is such high civilian casualty problem. However as i said - there is non-populated part of Gaza strip and it is not used for launching rockets/mortars or sniping. Because no one can act as a shield/background. So this is not only where they live, this is part of tactical and strategical approach. To use civilian population as shield, use dead as propaganda and it all has the benefit of not letting economy to rise, so new recruits are easier to get.
I do not know what you think of Palestinian territories, there are different versions, and most of them will lead to "Israel having peace" as in RIP. On any location where Palestinian authority received control Jewish religious/cultural locations where eventually razed. So i am very uneasy with that approach and personally without heavy guaranties will not go/vote for such a solution.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 11:52 AM
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I think that it's the Orthodox Jews (or is that the ultra Orthodox Jews) that are actually exempted from military service? They are also some of the most bigoted, racist and vicious buggers over there. Not doing military service though does not prevent them from carrying arms and donning hoods to go beat up the odd Palestinian though or, for that matter, US Christian volunteers escorting Palestinian children to school.

Obviously, that sort of thing never gets into the MSM, it just wouldn't do to have the US Christians stop the flow of money, investment in Israel and support, as the Presbytarian Church have done, much to the anguish of some of the Israeli Lobbyists in the US.

[edit on 4-7-2008 by Britguy]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 12:01 PM
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i must say i have full respect for ZeroKnowledge
; whilst we both have heated discussions , they are that - discussions backed with information ; and its natural he is pro israel , he does live there


what disappoints me if the extremism shown in this thread , what does posting pictures of the holocaust from 70 years ago , got to do with children , on both sides, getting blown up?



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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BIASED!

Go find some good photos of isrealis

And replace those photos,

then repost your thread!


idiot!



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 01:00 PM
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I like the way they say in the OP's article,

"This is the education Israeli children get.."

What about the education the Palestinian children get?

Brainwashing Palestinian Children




Teaching Palestinian children how to kill Jews




14 year old Suicide Bomber




Mickey Mouse Teaches Kids To Commit Terrorism




Kindergarten Graduation




And of course, to get children to commit suicide (become a suicide bomber), you must first convince them that the "after life" is better than what they are now living!

11-year-old Palestinians: Martyrdom better than this world




Palestinian children taught to aspire to martyrdom (a mothers teachings)




This is a two sided story, only both sides of the story are pretty much the same!

Each side hates the other side, and both sides want to live on the same piece of land.

As long as they keep teaching their children the hatred for the other side, there will always be fighting and death. Even IF there parents ever reach a peace agreement, this hatred for the other side will still be there in their children.

It will, for lack of a better word, be a miracle when these two sides finally reach an agreement and finally stop fighting and killing each other and live in peace.

[edit on 7/4/2008 by Keyhole]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 01:16 PM
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If you knew anything about Israel, you would know that every citizen must in some way complete a time of service in the Israeli Military. You would also know that many, many Israeli's carry their weapons everywhere in the settlements. And that Israeli settlers quite often act like militias to protect themselves where the IDF is to busy.

Course, that would be assuming you knew something about that region, other then the crap you glean from bigoted sources like the one in your OP.

[edit on 7/4/2008 by Rockpuck]



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