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Bush is preparing forward lunar base to meet alien threat

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posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
UFOs in ancient times haven't changed much at all over the past several thousand years. What gives? Perhaps they are not nearly as mentally adept as we credit them, or they rule out certain methods... that we may not be aware of, much less understand.


That’s a really good point and one I hadn’t considered before. You’re right - they haven’t seemed to advanced much (based upon what we know of them). I’ll have to take that one into consideration for a while. Thanks for the new view there.



Originally posted by Aim64C
It's been our superiority in industry, population, and technology - combined - that has given us the advantage.


Our industry and population were results of our technology, not independent factors that combined with technology. To wit, technology gave us the industries that allowed us to produce and sustain more population. That’s why technologically advanced societies can produce and sustain populations unfeasible with lesser technologies.


Originally posted by Aim64C
And history has shown that technological societies never succeed in exterminating another society. And never has it been shown that technological societies are immune to "inferior" societies.


I would submit a technologically advanced society has never really tried to completely exterminate any inferior society. Therefore, it was never accomplished, but not because it could not have been done. There have been near runs, but never really a sustained, comprehensive effort to extinguish the last of a given “inferior” society.
As to “inferior” societies gaining the upper hand over a more advanced one; there are none that I can think of. If you could give an example of such, I would consider your argument on this point.


Originally posted by Aim64C
Furthermore, going on what we know, our aircraft have shot down UFOs in the past. Now, there has been no evidence to suggest that these are combat-worthy vessels, but there has been no evidence to suggest otherwise, either.


Another good point in your favor. It is an assumption on my part , based on human traits, that they would even have the concept of war or conflict and therefore combat capabilities. However, either the powers that be are making this same tenuous assumption or they know something we don’t about the aliens.


Originally posted by Aim64C
The reality is that it is entirely possible for a species to develop space flight and sub-space travel mechanisms without even knowing what it is they are doing …They may be absolutely puzzled as to why we aren't zipping around through the cosmos with them


This one will have to take a pass. It may be true but then again it doesn’t seem really logical. But then, I’m using Human based logic so it may not apply. So this one could go round and round. All I can say, at this point of intoxication and tiredness, is that it just doesn’t sit right with me

[edit on 3-7-2008 by passenger]




posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 11:10 PM
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Perhaps we've been looking at Bush wrongly - he actually intends to secure further time in office by faking an alien invasion.

I wouldn't put it past the nutter.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 12:00 AM
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*sigh* is there no end to the anti-Bush crowd?

Seriously - it wears on my nerves. A bunch of people decreeing, in a wondrous display of mental integrity, another person an idiot and how he is going to stage an alien invasion to secure time in office.

I mean... it never ceases to amaze me how this guy is, according to some people - an idiot, retarded, etc - but that he is the mastermind of some elaborate plan (of any variety - it knows no limits - from alien invasion to nuclear war, to planes crashing into buildings) to secure more time in office. Perhaps that's why his master plan is not really going according to ... well - plan... because he's just stupid and his plan will never work.

There's this one quote, by this one guy, but it goes something like this: "It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out." Keep that in mind....

Anyway....


Originally posted by passenger
Our industry and population were results of our technology, not independent factors that combined with technology. To wit, technology gave us the industries that allowed us to produce and sustain more population. That’s why technologically advanced societies can produce and sustain populations unfeasible with lesser technologies.


Not necessarily. It's society that has allowed us to evolve technology that drives industry. And many technologies require industry to be useful, and industry requires population. It's sort of a weird cycle of events that brings about various advances (at least in human history).


I would submit a technologically advanced society has never really tried to completely exterminate any inferior society. Therefore, it was never accomplished, but not because it could not have been done. There have been near runs, but never really a sustained, comprehensive effort to extinguish the last of a given “inferior” society.


It's just not realistic to try - and hence why it has never been accomplished. Humans are experts at analyzing a threat and developing ways to evade and finding its weaknesses and exploiting them. We may not always gain the upper hand - but we survive and resist.

The only way to kill off humans would be something that we would not have the chance to fight back against - something like the Death Star vaporizing our planet before we had a chance to figure out what was going on.


As to “inferior” societies gaining the upper hand over a more advanced one; there are none that I can think of. If you could give an example of such, I would consider your argument on this point.


The Huns vs Rome is one. The Chinese versus the Mongols is another. Russia versus Germany is yet another (and more modern) example.


This one will have to take a pass. It may be true but then again it doesn’t seem really logical. But then, I’m using Human based logic so it may not apply. So this one could go round and round. All I can say, at this point of intoxication and tiredness, is that it just doesn’t sit right with me


Well, a bird flies simply because it can, and builds a nest out of instinct. Does it realize all of the intricacies of its own acts? When the Japanese were hammering away on bars of steel to create their swords, did they realize that they were forging an all together different alloy of steel? They knew how to achieve an effect, and didn't necessarily understand the science behind it. We assume that another species is just as curious as our own, or places as much importance on isolating cause and effect as we do. However, they may simply put things together because they know it will do something. It doesn't matter how complex the process is - they can develop it without actually knowing the science behind it.

I'm not saying that "The Greys" are this way (though they might be, somewhat, since they are allegedly a parasitic hivemind that garnishes technology off of host species) - or any aliens we are familiar with - but that it is entirely possible for any degree of the above to be possible. We may be rather unique in our obsession to understand how/why something happens, as opposed to just being satisfied that it happens. Other species may not be nearly as interested, which would stunt their development quite a bit (theoretically).



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 12:06 AM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by Anti-Tyrant
 


*sigh* is there no end to the anti-Bush crowd?



No.

Remember, he's the one in power, so there's no point talking to us about it.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant

No.

Remember, he's the one in power, so there's no point talking to us about it.


Oy... child, educate yourself about how the American Political System works before you start running with whatever conspiracy theories you can find that slander those you don't like.

The President has zero political power. His only real power comes in the form of being a foreign diplomat. He has the power to veto bills - but Congress can over-ride that, and they also hold the purse-strings to the Military and the President can only deploy a few dozen companies before he needs to start asking Congress for more stuff to send out onto the battlefield.

He can nominate Supreme Court justices - but those must be approved by Congress (more specifically, the Senate, if I remember correctly).

No where in there is the capacity to engineer some power-grab. However, Congress can give themselves raises (and many stay in for a very long time, so the "doesn't take effect until a full congressional election cycle" doesn't really have any meaning), though. Congress also makes all of our laws and approves various funding requests - to include socialized programs (which are forbidden by the Constitution - that is to be a power reserved to the states and not imposed upon by the National government), etc. While all the attention is on the President, Congress and the Supreme Court have been shredding the Constitution to the point where it doesn't really have any relevance anymore.

But go ahead - blame the President. Everyone else does. And that's exactly what they want you to do.

Though this has gotten completely off topic.... but perhaps it is marginally related in all of the "it's Bush's doing" - it's not. Likely any program such as this is a project of a certain command and funds are laundered in through various methods. The Joint Chiefs are likely only marginally aware of such a project if it exists - knowing only the goals of the project and vaguely some of its fruits (developments).

Congress and the President are likely very much in the dark about it. The President being slightly more likely to know about it than the security leak that is Congress.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 12:25 AM
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Originally posted by Aim64C

Oy... child, educate yourself about how the American Political System works before you start running with whatever conspiracy theories you can find that slander those you don't like.

The President has zero political power.


Firstly, don't call me a "Child".

Did it occur to you that perhaps i was looking at this from a perspective which would make my comments valid?

"The president has zero political power".

In essence, yes, you are correct, however - he provides others with power.

I want him out, not because i think he's responsible for the 9/11 attacks, or anything like that, but because it would seem his peers are a bunch of oil barons who are making a killing off the current oil prices, and they stand to make even more of a killing once we get the several trillion dollars worth of oil out of the Iraqi Autonomous zones.

He, and his cronies, are the ones who have made this possible by going to war with Iraq.

They stand to make the biggest financial killing of the past 50 years (or ever, possibly) and i seriously doubt the American taxpayer is going to see any of that money.

So, before you call me "Child", think before you speak.



[edit on 4-7-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 12:56 AM
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Behold. The prelude to the fake UFO invasion.

In other news...


Originally posted by Aim64C
reply to post by Anti-Tyrant
 


*sigh* is there no end to the anti-Bush crowd?

Seriously - it wears on my nerves. A bunch of people decreeing, in a wondrous display of mental integrity, another person an idiot and how he is going to stage an alien invasion to secure time in office.

I mean... it never ceases to amaze me how this guy is, according to some people - an idiot, retarded, etc - but that he is the mastermind of some elaborate plan (of any variety - it knows no limits - from alien invasion to nuclear war, to planes crashing into buildings) to secure more time in office. Perhaps that's why his master plan is not really going according to ... well - plan... because he's just stupid and his plan will never work.

There's this one quote, by this one guy, but it goes something like this: "It's good to have an open mind, but not so open that your brain falls out." Keep that in mind....


Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Redneck Gandhi!




posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 01:54 AM
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Yes, I will call you "child" - because I deem you worthy of the title in this discussion as you have yet much to learn.

Bush, unlike many other political candidates, is and was mostly self-funded and took far fewer "donations" from 'supporters' (read as: "investors") than many other candidates of any other election, from State to National.

Iraq is not over oil. There's no additional oil coming from Iraq - and, furthermore, the "bottleneck" isn't the oil producers, it's the oil refineries (which, if I remember correctly, a new one hasn't been built in the U.S. since the 70s... not that I blame us - I wouldn't want one sitting in my back yard, either).

Even taking other markets into account - the "oil profit" off of Iraq is ridiculously low by comparison to other countries which could have easily been accused and taken.

Iraq was a focal point of tension in the Middle East. Saddam was known to be, quite literally, insane. He shelled his own people with nerve gas, for crying out loud. With Iran on a quest for nuclear weapons, Russia losing nuclear weapons - they just up and walked off, and a number of reported chemical and biological weapon projects in Iran, Syria, and Iraq - it was only a matter of time before nukes, microbes, and God-Knows what kinds of gasses were flying around like snowballs on a snow-day via all kinds of methods.

Furthermore, Iraq is two birds with one stone. Iraq had some rather well developed infrastructure that could support pretty much all of our ships, aircraft, and vehicles, should we need to operate out of the Middle East in the future. Having the Iraqi people as an ally would certainly give us a force-multiplier in the future and give us a very strategically advantageous staging point.

The reason people connect Iraq and Oil is because in the Gulf war Iraq invaded Kuwait, and everyone remembers the oil fields that the the Iraqis set fire to prior to retreating from Kuwait. While Iraq does have some of its own oil - it's nothing compared to other sources that had/have far less military resistance.

We're making a bigger killing in Iraq with the expansion of Mickey D's than we are with any expansions of oil companies. Better yet, people will still be hungry 75 years later... there may not be oil. Yet no one rambles on about McDonald's plotting to stage an alien invasion, or attempting to garnish political power, or the plot of some Congressman who received funding from Mickey D's.

Trust me - I think these things through plenty-well before I say them. I've "been there, and done that" - more importantly - I've "Heard this, and Heard that." I listen twice as much as I speak (or more). Which, you've seen the sizes of my posts - that means I do a HELL of a lot of listening (or reading).

I speak when I have something to say, and someone to teach.

Now, once again, this has strayed somewhat off topic.

I see no reason to connect Bush with white-knuckled theories of alien invasion and lunar combat facilities simply because you don't like the war in Iraq. Much less assume the President is out to secure more time in office. He doesn't appoint anyone with any real power, aside from Supreme Court justices (who, again, have to clear Congress). All of the President's staff is merely part of a Bureaucracy that operates on so many principles that have been set down by Congress or previous iterations of the Bureaucracy that they don't really set any new policies.

I'm really at a loss for why anyone would want to be President. You have crappy hours, can't get a damned hamburger without turning it into a ridiculously complex security operation, the media blames you for everything, the people are never happy with you, you are expected to be a flawless robot and be able to wave a magic wand and make everyone's problems go away. Oh, and you get to bicker with the pack of raving monkeys (congress), then veto their bill to give all of the children lollipops for getting As on their tests because it obviously violates the Constitution and/or has a congressional budget raise and a ban on firearms tacked onto the end of it (but the bill is to enhance education) - then get persecuted for being against education.

Sorry - I'd rather live as a recruit at Boot Camp than live like that. I did just fine at Boot - even had fun with a lot of it. That up there would just be a living hell.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 01:57 AM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
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Yes, I will call you "child" - because I deem you worthy of the title in this discussion as you have yet much to learn.



Nothing you have said makes this valid.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 01:59 AM
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In fact in one way, you are the child here because you cannot seem to cope with the fact that someone can have a differing viewpoint with you.

Of course, that would be a simple perspective, at least.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 02:17 AM
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It's not what I say that makes it valid, it's how you are thinking that makes it valid.

I speak when I have something to say, and an opportunity to teach.

Though I've never seen a case where you can teach someone the elements of introspection and split-mentality analysis in a few posts on the net. However, the idea is that you spawn a separate thought process similar to one of another person who is reading what you are saying.

Likewise, you do this with many other aspects of life. You develop different thought process (you could also think of them as sub-personalities) to run in parallel with your own thought process and use them to critique your own ideas in real-time.

Though to gain this, you must be very familiar with yourself, and be able to "talk to yourself" - Practice by having conversations with yourself about common, every day things - what the weather is like, etc. Then evolve into more elaborate discussions where you begin to assume the roles of other personality types.

Furthermore, I decided to try and educate you a tad on how our government works - because I find that many people have little real clue how our government works, and how the bureaucracies play in. And being in the Military - I have plenty of experience with the Government and various agencies. They are much like your bank - a group of people working to accomplish certain goals - and often making fruit mistakes and losing paperwork. Our government isn't organized enough for most of the conspiracies out there to really be carried out, even if they do exist. What does exist, though, is self-imposed hierarchies and castes within our societies that then become reflected in laws. People want more social programs - someone else to foot the bill, and don't wish to take personal responsibility for themselves. Those in power are more than happy to accept, as it gives them more power and more control. Whether their intentions be good - or bad - it gives them more means through which to bring about their view of a better world.

And people buy right into it for some reason - possibly some residual instinct to develop castes and hierarchies for the sake of simplicity - as well as the dissolution of the individual into a larger group.

Now, I think this has gone more than far enough off topic - or off on a tangent that is only barely related to the original topic at hand. If you have evidence that Bush is behind this - or some other conspiracy - by all means, present it. But don't start spouting off white-knuckled theories and not expect someone to come along and contest your assertions.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 04:45 AM
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He shelled his own people with nerve gas, for crying out loud

Yeah sure..
And the US goverment shelled its own people with depleted uranium. Not to mention previous war for profit in Vietnam, nuclear tests on human soldiers, and the recent antrax letters all originated from US bioplants.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 06:00 AM
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Originally posted by Aim64C
Our government isn't organized enough for most of the conspiracies out there to really be carried out, even if they do exist.


I'm attacking Bush, not the government in general.

As for your part on introspection and inner dialogue, i would usually hesitate to tell you that such things are the norm for me, and have been for quite a long time.

In the beginning, my split was always my adversary.

[edit on 4-7-2008 by Anti-Tyrant]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 07:02 AM
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So why take attacking Bush to such ridiculous levels?

I absolutely despise Hillary Clinton (and Bill probably even more, if that's possible) - yet I'm not going to start off on some spiel about how she's responsible for cow mutilations because she's trying to goad farmers into supporting various acts or bills or something. Unless I have more evidence than "she knows these people who own a dog that eats meat." (a LOT more).

Regardless - Bush has to work within the Government for all of these conspiracies to work. And I'm telling you that it wouldn't work because the democrats would seize any opportunity to jump out and say "Hey, look, he's getting ready to sell you down the river, and make you all mindless zombies!" to get public support to lean in their way (so they could turn us into mindless zombies through some course of events). Not to mention 'investigative' [read as "creative" and "intrusive"] journalism would simply not let it die once they got a whiff of it.

Be it aliens or oil - it would be all over the place (and not just on the net). Oil is a little bit more popular, but it has never held up under logical analysis, and it's steered clear of in the more professional news organizations simply because it becomes a "well I think" versus "so where is all of this extra oil?"



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 08:56 AM
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Your mistake was calling someone a child (which is a childish act)
I believe your in the wrong buddy.

[edit on 4-7-2008 by CommanderSinclair]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:17 AM
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The ONLY reason for the US to have a base on the moon is not for 'a growing threat of alien attack'. That in itself is confessing to the people of Earth that there are such things as ALIENS. Therefore what other reason is there for a base, let me guess , so the US can develop more covert technology and have relations with alien species away from our (the theorists) eyes .


The moon is out of our reach and even if they wanted to (if they haven't already) put a base on the moon it would be on the darkside or on the twilight lip so we can't really observe what was going on ( " it's placed there out of the threat of radiation")....

The base against alien threat makes as much sense for practicality against inevitabilty. An 'alien' comes millions of miles / light years/ parsecs (delete as applicable) to attack Earth , a puny base on the moon is like trying to stop the boxing day tsunami with a cricket bat. They would have superior technology, hundreds if not thousands of years ahead of our own, what chance would we have?? NONE.....
The only reason I can see is for covert operations out of our view. or if it's true, covert relations with the 'aliens' that will attack us.

Why not build a base to communicate with the incoming conquering force to make that those who want to make sure they're lives are as unaffected as possible are the ones to build the base in the first place. If thats not clear , let me spell it out for you.
The NWO say to us, via the US or other Government " we want to buld a base against alien attack" .
the world goes " oooh so you admit aleins exist?"
The NWO / US says " erm yes." therefore we build a base to 'protect ourselves"
People go " ok , do that for the people then"
NWO says " ok (to the people of earth) "
NWO says to the 'aliens " let us help you control the people of Earth but gives us X"
Aliens says to NWO " ok you can have control in our name"
NWO says to aliens "ok MASTERS"
People of Earth to NWO/ US" ok what' happening up there?"
NWO / US " nothing yet, will keep you informed if anything happens", people relax.
NWO/ US/ UFO take over happens with collapse of economies and other 'natural disasters'
NWO has last laugh .
People go "what happened? first we were free , then we're in chains?"
People blame Governments, Governments say "you had your chance , you did nothing"

There ya go, My opinion....
No Flaming..
If you 'sheeple' dont open your eyes and start protesting, its all a downward spiral to a new era of enslavement....
There will be no black / white/ red / or yellow slaves. No Muslim / christian/ buddist slaves.
Just Mankind - the slaves...
Either accept it or do something about it.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:27 AM
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IMO, Bush is a puppet or clone. This is not to excuse his actions, but to say that an agenda is going on and no matter who got to be president, there would have been problems just the same.
People are looking to Obama as being some sort of savior and I can't see this because something is going on that far exceeds the ability of any president to fix.
Big-Time change is in the air and I just hope it doesn't take a whole lot more suffering for people.



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 10:35 AM
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Why are some people even considering bush in this? are we going to have a new moon base to protect us by febuary 2009?

Even the next president wont be in power by the time moon base is built.

The Moon would be useless as a way of protecting the earth with weapons built on it, unless they know the date and direction the invasion will come from, best the moon can do is be an early warning system of their arrival.

Also perhaps this is one of the reasons why it has been covered up so long like it has, and with all the disinfo, perhaps the cover up was designed to keep from revealing just what kind of weapons we have reverse engineered, then the aliens dont find out if we have a secret weapon.

Im not in any way defending the cover up, but imagine if what we do on here has a direct effect on the outcome of any invasion? we start sifting through information and happen on a snippet of truth? perhaps that is where the camps come in? lock us up so we cant discover nothing and reveal it?

Perhaps everything is all connected after all?

Camps, NWO, underground bases, UFOs, what if all of this and more has been building towards stopping an invasion? roswell, maybe was a scout ship, and they discovered in the craft plans for a full scale invasion of earth, and the time it took for the scout ship to arrive here is how long we where given before an invasion fleet could arrive?

Perhaps some of the huge explosions that have been seen in the skys over the past decade, have been other scout ships? or a mother ship that brought the fleets of smaller UFOs we have been seeing? maybe they are trapped here now until their fleet arrives? maybe what the UFOs we are seeing more and more of are marking danger zones, or landing sites.

I know it all sounds a little far fetched, but all of the above is possible, if it is i expect we maybe some of the first people into the camps to shut us up.

I just hope we can have some debunkers thrown in with us?



[edit on 4/7/2008 by azzllin]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 11:11 AM
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well i posetd this in a different thread already, but it perfectly fits in here.
many of you will know this passage, but come on, nobody mentioned it. so here it is:

go to 1:10 if you do not have the time to see all, but again here it is stated that there are many things that should concern us.
but here is the video:

and for those who do not want to look:
wernher von braun said "the last card ... is the alien threat"
well, here it comes!!

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secondly, i read about this on whatdoesitmean.com because som of you mentioned all those antrax and the influenza virus:


Indonesian Health Minister Siti Fadillah Supari has joined an ever growing list of government officials calling for the ‘immediate’ closure of the United States Naval Medical Research Unit 2 (NAMRU-2) located in their Nation, and has stated:

“This laboratory has been in Indonesia without a permit for over 40 years for research of diseases. Various types of viruses from Sri Lanka, Vietnam and Indonesia had been studied in this laboratory," she said.


anyway, flagged and stared


on the end of your linked video, he starts to talk about stephen greer. hm...

[edit on 4/7/2008 by rxnnxs]



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 11:48 AM
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I can see one benefit in building a defence base on the moon, though. That is the fact that there is no atmosphere to reflect, dissipate, dissolve (and whatever) advanced ray weapons. Be it laser or some another frequence that gets absorbed by atmosphere.

Still, that could be done with satellites that are actually steerable.







 
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