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Topic started on 8-3-2004 @ 04:13 AM by King Ronald
Okay, so basically the big fear is that America and then the world will be turned into one big Fascist police state, due to evil cabbals of rich businessmen and politicians and military types etc.

The evidence for this is:

- Frenzied websites wailing about cover-ups,

- Anomlaous military installations which seem to be effectively Nazi concentration camps (due to that Reagen thing....I forget what it was called, but it's about getting all the social minorities rounded up and shipped off to be detained/executed).

- Black helicopters whizzing around US airspace

- Murky goings-on in underground bases (eg. Dulce)

- Various illegal political actions (for example: Bush winning the election due to his brother messing around with the voting tabs)

- Rumours of terrible things like Child Slave sex rings operating in high-level circles of power (quite possible considering that paedophillia is a widespread phenomenon)

- Blatantly obvious signs for secret power groups cropping up here and there (eg. Illuminati triangle on the US Dollar bill, Masonic logo helpfully carved into that Denver Airport plinth thing)

And of course the *more* extreme end describes (amongst other things) the US Military holding a Stargate warp door to let multi-dimensional Egyptian god-aliens to swarm over the Earth (Stargate Conspiracy), Evolved dinosaur lizard-men called Reptiloids hiding in cavern systems across the US, Gray aliens conducting hidieous genetic tests on humans in exchange for advanced technology and so on.

Have I missed anything out? Very likely considering this stuff consists of sites crammed full of info leading to a million other sites crammed full of info and so on. I'm only one guy, though, and I'm just getting the ball rolling.

The point is, does everyone reckon this threat is real, if so to what extent, when is it going to come to power and go 1984 on our asses and can it possibly be fought?

Friendly discussion - please don't give me a load of posts saying "i'm not going to talk about THEM on an internet forum" - if THEY do exist there's not much point being worried about this: If they're there they already have a bomb implanted in my head from birth or whatever so I'm kinda limited in my options.

Discuss.


reply posted on 8-3-2004 @ 06:51 PM by slugfast
I dont agree with all the Lizard and Reptile stuff, but with the Patriot Act stuff and Police State stuff I really agree.

We gave up civil rights/liberties pretty easy after 9-11 to Ashcroft and Bush with the passing of hte Patriot Act, and has it caught any terrorists? maybe one or 2, but it sure has caught money launderers in Las Vegas, operating by depositing under $10G every deposit, it has caught people who have been protesting Anti-War events, but not many terrorists. I can post a link that is more detailed later.

The Police state issue is very real, as the Police and Millitary are gaining more power. There have been reports in Texas where the Army had been training with foreign troops in violation of Possee Commitatus. There have also been reports of new activity at old Internment camps, for whatever reason or another.

We are increasingly moving toward a more cashless society as well with Smart Cards (easily trackable), biometric identification (also easily trackable), etc.


I could go on and on, as I do feel that this Police State threat is very real, just not in effect yet, and if there is another Terror Attack, Patriot Act 2 could go into effect with disables the Patriot Act 1's sunset clauses, and gives the government even more power.


Granted you will probably say it wouldn't happen to me, couldn't happen to me, etc, but that was the same mindset that the German Population had in WWII, and you know what, before too long there was noone left to protect the last of the ones to be taken. They all just had the mindset well its not affecting me, I won't worry about it, and as group by group got taken, soon it was their turn.


reply posted on 10-3-2004 @ 10:59 PM by The Fifth Column
Good Post slugfast,

Things they bank on:
1. That people willl give up liberty for impossible to provide safety (note people giving up the right to own firearms when US law has PROVEN the police have by law NO responsiblity to protect the public)

"I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it."
-- Thomas Jefferson to A. Stuart, 1791

2.Thoughtless Patriotism:
Seen that Republican senator from Texas, Ron Paul voted No against the patriot act (man i want that guy as prime minister of the UK, Conservative and freedom loving )

“…the greater part of the population is not very intelligent, dreads responsibility, and desires nothing better than to be told what to do. Provided the rulers do not interfere with its material comforts and its cherished beliefs, it is perfectly happy to let itself be ruled.”
Aldous Huxley – Proper Studies.

And there in above lies the problem. What was pointedley articulated to me by a conservative American writer was the difference in totaltitarian theory between these great novels (both highly recommended); George Orwellls"1984" and Aldous Huxleys later piece "Brave New World". In an article for a site like townhall.com or something similar i cant remember, he postulated that it was far easier and more effective to enslave the populace by "luxurys and amusement" (brave new world) than fear (1984), as people have always rebeled against the latter.
This goes right back to the romans and their "bread and circuses" as long as they could eat and watch a christian being fed to the lions or whatever they were happy, regardless of the empire falling apart through corruptness and nihlism!
Chances of western society waking up = 0.05 at most.
The facts are out their, particually economic which leaves a trace but people dont care.

And i'll reiterate what most who have studied this will know, democrats or republicans = both the same.

Need to check out Kerrys published equivalent of PNAC for further proof. Thats on my to do list.


reply posted on 18-3-2004 @ 10:12 AM by mrmulder
I would like to add one thing for those who don't believe in the NWO and think the Patriot Act is good. What the government is about to do is monitor every American in our country in every way possible. Even to the point of putting tracking devices in our skins. Go to www.infowars.com... to see tons of numerous articles on this. My point is the government isn't doing this to keep an eye on terrorist. The way I see it, when the government does this, they are basically saying everyone including me is a terrorist. I am not a terrorist. I've never been in jail or commited a crime. Why does everyone in the country have to be monitored? I guess we're all terrorist in the eyes of the government.

I think the government has far enough advanced technology to keep an eye on the real terrorist without having to put a tracking device in every single person. I certainly believe we could've prevented 9/11. That is if Al Quada actuall was actually behind but I don't believe that. So the point is the real threat comes from our own government. They're the cause of 9/11 whether it was directly or indirectly. They wanted a war.

[Edited on 18-3-2004 by mrmulder]



reply posted on 22-3-2004 @ 10:37 PM by The Fifth Column
Originally posted by King Ronald
I guess the big problem facing man politically in these years is about where you draw the line between control and freedom.

It's a double edged sword - do you allow people to live as they want and then kill other people in atrocities, or do you control your population so nothing ever happens like that, but lose any sense of individuality.



No you ignore the Hegelian Dialectic:
nord.twu.net...

"development through the stages of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis in accordance with the laws of dialectical materialism " - websters

"Freedom is slavery" - 1984 George Orwell

For a free market global economy what could be better to achieve this than; Fractional Reserve Banking; Privately owned Central Banks monopilising control of (Booming/Busting & profiteering) Fiat Money; The Bank of International Settlements (Rothschilds owned as with the Fed & Bank of England); The World Bank; The IMF; SEC; European Central Bank; NAFTA; European Economic Comunity (now EU).

Third way = Merger of State and power.
Or Fascism/corporatism according to Mussolini. Social democracy according to Enlightened Europeans Neo liberal
chicagoite economics according to Americans.

Ooooh GLOBALISM THIRD WAY GLOBALISM YAY!
I think tommorow we'll call this International social democracy but its not socialism really its democratic you voted for it so it must be! YAY! Social medicne/education/welfare is not Communist dont be a silly billy its socialist not international socialist.

Education to help our children learn and achieve their potential the UN Third way/social democracy.... etc etc
Diversity, achievment and choice via centralised rigid curriculum, enforced to home schoolers, evil people who prevent their kids from achieving the standards of the State provided schools and thier internationally recognised methods and base of study and achievment. WHY how this has improved poverty so! Tres magnifigue! Our poor now independantly philosophise about our independant political and economic doctrines. They even think up new names for them!

Freedom what is freedom? Well as we have seen the classical sciences are all subjective and thus is freedom.
Sooo we will compromise, we will only be free when the state (thats a social democratic state btw not communist thats dead social democracy and state militarys saw to that) decides that it is not a threat to the state or our freedoms. For example we will be free to work but not free to not pay taxes, we will be free to educate our youth but not free to do it a non state approved way, we will be free of suicide bombers if we have freedom cameras on every street etc etc.

In conlusion, everthing is fine we have lots of choices independant of one another and thanks to this we will find the right choice and live in a utopian wonderland Hegel said so! Well 1 in 10 of us anyhow the CFR & UN (two completley unrelated organisations working for our benefit YAY!) said so.
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