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posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by furiousracer313
 


Originally posted by furiousracer313
Ok ,get this through ur head. Have u seen a statue of Allah? He has the Crescent Moon on his chest. Which is his symbol of being the moon God.

There is no statue of God. That would be idolatry. And it would be impossible. There is no such thing as a moon god. That is imaginary.


Psalms 22 is a song. Or a prayer for someone in sorrow or despair. Attributed to David. How is Jesus quoting from this a detailed prophesy of Jesus's crucifixion? To go along further in the same psalm:
* "In you our fathers put their trust" (did Jesus have any fathers?)
* "From my mother's womb you have been my God" (I thought Jesus existed before that? And how can God be God's God?)
* And where are these bulls of Bashan(?), and dogs and lions in the Jesus story?



Originally posted by furiousracer313
At the point Jesus spoke these words he bore the sins of the whole world in his body.God cannot have personal contact with sin so he had to turn away from Jesus while he paid the penalty for our sins. Jesus was both undiminished deity and perfect humanity. But it was the physical body which was the sacrifice for sin.

So then Jesus was not God at this point? Who was the body that was saying all these things? And more importantly, where in the Bible is this explanation that you give me? Or was that man's addition to God's word?


Are you an idiot? Statue is right here. See the crescent moon??

I said he was "quoting" from psalm 22:1, not sayin the whole thing.

I said Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit is ONE. They appear as 3, but are ONE.

It also says in the Bible that Jesus died for our sins. Since ur such a smart a$$, i thought you'd know that by now.




posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 02:47 PM
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Originally posted by Animal
I don't know too much about the bible and am not in the mood for searching for quotes that show a similar light to these from Islam so I am going to use a list from a response to Dr. Laura that caught my attention a few years back.



1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord -- Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus
21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness -- Lev.15: 19-24. The problem is how do I
tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female,
provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine
claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?
Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2. The
passage clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to
kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I
don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there "degrees" of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a
defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my
vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around
their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.19:27. How
should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments madeof two
different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse
and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of
getting the whole town together to stone them? -- Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we
just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people
who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)


LINK

So although a bit off topic the point remains, the critique of Islam, to a point, is one that can be leveled at many if not all Religions.

Women in the USA were not all allowed to vote until 1920. I am sure there are plenty of people who would be willing to debate how equal women are to men today in the USA.

Yes Islam has some scary people in their mists, but I know a few and they have all been good people, who did NOT try to smite me for being a Pagan, treated my wife with respect, and basically dismissed all the crap you seem to thing is part of every Muslim in the world.



Describe yourself using one of the two following phrases:

1. a small round metal object piloted by extraterrestrial beings on a mission to the next galaxy.

2. a homicidal rapist.

Which one closest describes you?

This is your argument.

We do no longer operate by 7th century laws. They do.

[edit on 6-7-2008 by C.C.Benjamin]



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 08:22 PM
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You are not supposed to link to that image directly. It is forbidden like that. But I went to the site and saw it anyway. So just because they decided to name a statue 'Allah', I believe them? Sorry, no. Especially not from a site that also thinks that the earth doesn't rotate or move.

And okay, how does quoting that one sentence from the Psalms fulfil any prophesy? If I'm being chased by a group of bulls, and I say "Many bulls surround me!", am I also fulfilling some prophesy in Psams 22?

And sure, it says that in the Bible that Christ died to wash away the sins of mankind, but it has nothing about "And this second he was God in man, and in this second God ran away and he was man only, and this second he died".

Oh yeah....please refrain from the personal attacks. I'm sure you're mature enough for that.

[edit on 7-7-2008 by babloyi]



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 09:00 PM
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Originally posted by babloyi
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You are not supposed to link to that image directly. It is forbidden like that. But I went to the site and saw it anyway. So just because they decided to name a statute 'Allah', I believe them? Sorry, no. Especially not from a site that also thinks that the earth doesn't rotate or move.

And okay, how does quoting that one sentence from the Psalms fulfil any prophesy? If I'm being chased by a group of bulls, and I say "Many bulls surround me!", am I also fulfilling some prophesy in Psams 22?

And sure, it says that in the Bible that Christ died to wash away the sins of mankind, but it has nothing about "And this second he was God in man, and in this second God ran away and he was man only, and this second he died".

Oh yeah....please refrain from the personal attacks. I'm sure you're mature enough for that.


Sorry, i just googled it, and a whole lot of pictures came up. I just chose one of them.

So im guessing you dont believe that Jesus resurrected?? Are you sayin 500 people were wrong??

No you wont be fulfilling a Bible prophesy because nowhere does it say that u will be crucified or anything like that.. ALL the prophesies in the Old Testiment about Jesus was 100% true.



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 11:51 PM
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I don't believe Jesus ever died, so yeah...I don't think he was resurrected. That people may have seen him alive and well after his alleged death, that I have no problem with. That he will come back near the end of the world and save humanity, that I have no problem with either. We shall just wait and see.

Sure, all prophecies about Jesus in the Old Testament may be true, but does that mean we should be looking for prophecies that are not there?

Some nonsense prophecies:

Joel 3:18 is obviously a reference to Jesus the mountain, who gave new wine. Then the hills are a lesser (fake) Jesus, which gives milk (obviously a reference to Rome, the whore of Babylon).

Genesis 25:34 has Esau selling his birthright to have some bread and drink. This is obviously a counterpoint to Jesus who did the opposite: shared his bread and drink, and fulfilled his birthright.

2 Kings 6:17 is obviously a reference to Gandalf riding down the hill to save the city of Gondor by blinding everybody with his magic staff.

Ezekiel 22:20 is obviously a reference to how the US had to destroy Hiroshima....the gold and silver represents false pride and courage that had to be 'melted'.

Or do you saying that prophecies are only valid if you get crucified? So then Nehemiah 9:16-17 is obviously a reference to the death of Spartacus, who was crucified because he didn't obey his masters.

See? I can make up prophecies also. But again, I ask in all honesty, show me where in the Bible it explains this whole rigmarole about Jesus being God, then just before being crucified, not being God, and then again becoming God when he died. Send it in PM if you don't think it's part of this topic. Or post it in any of the relevant topics in ATS or BTS.

[edit on 6-7-2008 by babloyi]



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 11:35 AM
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So then ur saying he wasnt crucified? Because many scientists have said that being crucified in the spots he was (Hands, feet) is the most painful, for and human being to survive. So with that said, he did die, and resurrect. There are also non biblical people that said he lived and was who he said he was.

It also says in the Bible:

2Cor.4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

They are separate, but again they are one. Jesus is made in Gods image, being all powerful and Holy. After Jesus resurrected he said he is the ruler of the heavens and the earth. Does that make sense to you??

Also check this out:

Jesus is God



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 05:15 PM
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If you believe that Jesus is God as was obvious with the link that you posted, then I declare you an idolater, ascribing partner with God is the only sin that God will never forgive on the Day of Judgment. Jesus has called you to the straight path, the worship of ONE GOD, and the passages you quoted are either misunderstood or outright lies and another proof of how Satan has contaminated Jesus' original Gospel.

The True Gospel of Jesus taught clearly that he cannot create even a single fly, yet in one verse that you quoted, Jesus created the earth and the universe! What blasphemy. From son of God, now he becomes God!

That was NOT the true teachings of Jesus, but the teachings of Satan, and I hope that people will wake up to this fact. Any teaching that serves to turn away the people from worshiping the ONLY TRUE GOD, the God of our forefather Abraham is the teaching of Satan.

The Holy Quran has this to say about your claims.

5:17 They indeed have disbelieved who say: Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. Say : Who then can do aught against Allah, if He had willed to destroy the Messiah son of Mary, and his mother and everyone on earth? Allah's is the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them. He createth what He will. And Allah is Able to do all things.

3:79 It is not (possible) for any human being unto whom Allah had given the Scripture and wisdom and the Prophethood that he should afterwards have said unto mankind: Be slaves of me instead of Allah; but (what he said was): Be ye faithful servants of the Lord by virtue of your constant teaching of the Scripture and of your constant study thereof.

4:172 The Messiah will never scorn to be a slave unto Allah, nor will the favored angels. Whoso scorneth His service and is proud, all such will He assemble unto Him.

According to the Holy Quran this is what Jesus preached to the Children of Israel:

5:72 They surely disbelieve who say : Lo! Allah is the Messiah, son of Mary. The Messiah (himself) said : O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord. Lo! whoso ascribeth partners unto Allah, for him Allah hath forbidden Paradise. His abode is the Fire. For evildoers there will be no helpers.

This is attested to also by the Gospel of Jesus written by his disciple Barnabas which you reject as false and forgery. Fear God and His Judgment on this Day as Jesus said ;

The judgment day of God will be so dreadful that, truly I say to you, the reprobates would sooner choose ten hells than go to hear God speak in wrath against them against whom all things created will witness. Truly I say to you, that not alone shall the reprobates fear, but the saints and the elect of God, so that Abraham shall not trust in his righteousness, and Job shall have no confidence in his innocence. And what say I? Even the Messenger of God shall fear, for that God, to make known his majesty, shall deprive his Messenger of memory, so that he shall have no remembrance how that God has given him all things. Truly I say to you that, speaking from the heart, I tremble because by the world I shall be called God, and for this I shall have to render an account.

As God lives, in whose presence my soul stands, I am a mortal man as other men are, for although God has placed me as prophet over the House of Israel for the health of the feeble and the correction of sinners, I am the servant of God, and of this you are witness, how I speak against those wicked men who after my departure from the world shall annul the truth of my gospel by the operation of Satan. But I shall return towards the end, and with me shall come Enoch and Elijah, and we will testify against the wicked, whose end shall be accursed."

This again vouched for by the Holy Quran:

22:52 Never sent We a messenger or a Prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;

22:73 O mankind! A similitude is coined, so pay ye heed to it: Lo! those on whom ye call beside Allah will never create a fly though they combine together for the purpose. And if the fly took something from them, they could not rescue it from him. So weak are (both) the seeker and the sought!

13:14 Unto Him is the real prayer. Those unto whom they pray beside Allah respond to them not at all, save as (if the response to) one who stretcheth forth his hands toward water (asking) that it may come unto his mouth, and it will never reach it. The prayer of disbelievers goeth (far) astray.

17:97 And he whom Allah guideth, he is led aright; while, as for him whom He sendeth astray, for them thou wilt find no protecting friends beside Him, and We shall assemble them on the Day of Resurrection on their faces, blind, dumb and deaf; their habitation will be hell; whenever it abateth, We increase the flame for them.

18:57 And who doth greater wrong than he who hath been reminded of the revelations of his Lord, yet turneth away from them and forgetteth what his hands send forward (to the Judgment)? Lo! on their hearts We have placed coverings so that they understand not, and in their ears a deafness. And though thou call them to the guidance, in that case they can never be led aright.

Furiousracer, if you truly love Jesus, try to find his real teachings. Search for the truth and the truth will set you free.



posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 09:31 PM
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I believe i posted a link earlier that shows the Bible has almost been contaminated by Satan, but failed. The Holy Koran promotes violence to those who oppose it, and oppose the Moon god "Allah". Maybe you should watch this:


Part 1

Part 2


Maybe you will find the truth. I also want to point this out, you see how cleverly the devil has tried to kill Gods believers?? He has created religions around the world, and has people fighting for their beliefs.. I have to say, i know 100% that the Bible is true. And i've seen it proven. Jesus never taught violence, and lived a PERFECT life.. Unlike the Prophet Mohammad.. Just watch the videos....



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 07:04 AM
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Maybe you should drop it already? Look at the facts and proofs from the above posts for god's sake! you are very ignorant. There's only ONE god: Allah, and all the prophets are humans. It angers me how you call yourselves Christians when clearly you follow the teachings of manipulated books and texts
? When Jesus comes back you will regret that you have said these filthy stuff about Jesus, Islam and Allah, but will it be of any use?



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 11:52 AM
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and, if you look into the history of it, yahweh seems to be a mountain god...

so i guess they didn't just start in a vacuum



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by furiousracer313
I said Jesus, God, and the Holy Spirit is ONE. They appear as 3, but are ONE.

They are THREE distinct personages but ONE in purpose. you could actually meet all three at one time and have a conversation with different individuals.

sorry, that is the truth.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 02:01 PM
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Furiousracer,

ALLAH is not the moon god. Muslims does NOT worship the moon, the sun or any other celestial objects, we only worship GOD, the God of Adam, Noah, Abraham and the 12 tribes, Moses, Jesus and all the prophets. Satan has truly deceived you if you believe that we, Muslims are worshiping the moon god. It seem pointless to keep explaining the truth to you, God has these to say to people like you.

2:6 As for the disbelievers, whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.

2:161 Lo! those who disbelieve, and die while they are disbelievers; on them is the curse of Allah and of angels and of men combined.

2:16 These are they who purchase error at the price of guidance, so their commerce doth not prosper, neither are they guided.

6:25 Of them are some who listen unto thee, but We have placed upon their hearts veils, lest they should understand, and in their ears a deafness. If they saw every token they would not believe therein; to the point that, when they come unto thee to argue with thee, the disbelievers say: This is naught else than fables of the men of old.

2:89 And when there cometh unto them a Scripture from Allah, confirming that in their possession though before that they were asking for a signal triumph over those who disbelieved and when there cometh unto them that which they know (to be the Truth) they disbelieve therein. The curse of Allah is on disbelievers.

2:90 Evil is that for which they sell their souls: that they should disbelieve in that which Allah hath revealed, grudging that Allah should reveal of His bounty unto whom He will of His bondmen. They have incurred anger upon anger. For disbelievers is a shameful doom.

2:109 Many of the People of the Scripture long to make you disbelievers after your belief, through envy on their own account, after the truth hath become manifest unto them. Forgive and be indulgent (toward them) until Allah give command. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.

4:18 The forgiveness is not for those who do ill deeds until, when death attendeth upon one of them, he saith: Lo! I repent now; nor yet for those who die while they are disbelievers. For such We have prepared a painful doom.

5:44 Lo! We did reveal the Torah, wherein is guidance and a light, by which the Prophets who surrendered (unto Allah) judged the Jews, and the rabbis and the priests (judged) by such of Allah's Scripture as they were bidden to observe, and thereunto were they witnesses. So fear not mankind, but fear Me. And barter not My revelations for a little gain. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed: such are disbelievers.

You cannot make true Muslims turn back from the faith after the clear proof that God has manifested for them. A book (The Holy Quran) which is a guidance and a light and a healing and mercy for whoever believes in God and the Last Day.

2:2 This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil).

2:120 And the Jews will not be pleased with thee, nor will the Christians, till thou follow their creed. Say: Lo! the guidance of Allah (Himself) is guidance. And if thou shouldst follow their desires after the knowledge which hath come unto thee, then wouldst thou have from Allah no protecting friend nor helper.

5:54 O ye who believe! Whoso of you becometh a renegade from his religion, (know that in his stead) Allah will bring a people whom He loveth and who love Him, humble toward believers, stern toward disbelievers, striving in the way of Allah and fearing not the blame of any blamer. Such is the grace of Allah which He giveth unto whom He will. Allah is All Embracing, All Knowing.

The MOON is mentioned 27 times in the Holy Quran, but never once was there a warrant that said to worship the MOON. Quite opposite in fact, here we are told that the moon, with everything else in the heavens and the earth pay adoration to God, its Creator.

22:18 Hast thou not seen that unto Allah payeth adoration whosoever is in the heavens and whosoever is in the earth, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars, and the hills, and the trees, and the beasts, and many of mankind, while there are many unto whom the doom is justly due. He whom Allah scorneth, there is none to give him honor. Lo! Allah doeth what He will.

41:37 And of His portents are the night and the day and the sun and the moon. Adore not the sun nor the moon; but adore Allah Who created them, if it is in truth Him whom ye worship.

29:61 And if thou wert to ask them: Who created the heavens and the earth, and constrained the sun and the moon (to their appointed work)? they would say: Allah. How then are they turned away?

As for your little Video:

3:90 Lo! those who disbelieve after their (profession of) belief, and afterward grow violent in disbelief: their repentance will not be accepted. And such are those who are astray.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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Ok, a few things to point out.....

1. The Holy Koran was written AFTER the Bible was created. And so were many other religious books. The Koran is a copy of the Bible, except it is changed to be more violent.

2. What does the Koran say about the last days?? You know, everything in the Book of Revelations that is in the Bible, is happening... What does the Koran say about the Last Days??

The Bible speaks of an Anti Christ that will rule the world, and have everyone receive a Mark on their right hand or forehead... It says that great famine, wars and diseases like never before will come.. It says 1/3 of the trees will be wiped out, and other stuff like that.. All of it is happening... What does the Koran say about the Last Days??



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 09:43 PM
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1. The Holy Koran was written AFTER the Bible was created. And so were many other religious books. The Koran is a copy of the Bible, except it is changed to be more violent.


Actually you Moron, the Quran was revealed to prophet Mohammed (pbuh) in a cave outside Mekkah. prophet Mohammed didn't know how to read and write so he would go to his companions and recite what was brought to him by Gabriel and his companions wrote it down.

Considering that the Quran, Torah and Bible were all revealed by GOD, they would have the same basic principles Right?
so why would it be More Violent??? Islam means peace so why would God Make it more Violent



2. What does the Koran say about the last days?? You know, everything in the Book of Revelations that is in the Bible, is happening... What does the Koran say about the Last Days??

The Bible speaks of an Anti Christ that will rule the world, and have everyone receive a Mark on their right hand or forehead... It says that great famine, wars and diseases like never before will come.. It says 1/3 of the trees will be wiped out, and other stuff like that.. All of it is happening... What does the Koran say about the Last Days??


Actually the Quran does speak about the end days but that is too much info to post here.

So why don't you go and actually for a change research instead of talking out of your ass.



posted on Jul, 8 2008 @ 10:59 PM
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Originally posted by SauberBMW


1. The Holy Koran was written AFTER the Bible was created. And so were many other religious books. The Koran is a copy of the Bible, except it is changed to be more violent.


Actually you Moron, the Quran was revealed to prophet Mohammed (pbuh) in a cave outside Mekkah. prophet Mohammed didn't know how to read and write so he would go to his companions and recite what was brought to him by Gabriel and his companions wrote it down.

Considering that the Quran, Torah and Bible were all revealed by GOD, they would have the same basic principles Right?
so why would it be More Violent??? Islam means peace so why would God Make it more Violent



2. What does the Koran say about the last days?? You know, everything in the Book of Revelations that is in the Bible, is happening... What does the Koran say about the Last Days??

The Bible speaks of an Anti Christ that will rule the world, and have everyone receive a Mark on their right hand or forehead... It says that great famine, wars and diseases like never before will come.. It says 1/3 of the trees will be wiped out, and other stuff like that.. All of it is happening... What does the Koran say about the Last Days??


Actually the Quran does speak about the end days but that is too much info to post here.

So why don't you go and actually for a change research instead of talking out of your ass.



Give me some basic things it says in the Koran about the Last Days?? I read it said something about a Prophet coming to tell everyone about the last days.

The Koran says the same as the Bible in the Second Coming of Jesus, and the Anti-Christ, but not in much detail of the end of the world. The Bible goes into great detail. Much of which is happening now. More proof that the Koran was written AFTER the Bible, is the Koran mentions the Torah, which is the Bible. The Bible does not mention the Koran, or the Prophet Mohammad. The Bible is 100% in accuracy, in its previous predictions. The Bible, is the Torah.

Let me show you some verses from Koran and the Bible:

the Bible:

Matthew 5:44
But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Matthew 5:39
Resist not evil, but the one who strikes you on the right cheek,turn to him the other also.

The Koran

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.

Sura (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Sura (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners,"

You see the BIG difference??

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posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 09:32 AM
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Furiousracer,

Believing in the LAST DAY is enjoined on all Muslims.

004.136 O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His messenger and the Scripture which He hath revealed unto His messenger, and the Scripture which He revealed aforetime. Whoso disbelieveth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers and the Last day, he verily hath wandered far astray.

As for your contention that The Holy Quran is more violent, I don't agree, since The Torah, Gospel and the Holy Quran have one and the same source, a God who is unchanging and constant, and His Laws are the same yesterday, today and tomorrow. If you notice, the violence here is only for people who are rebellious to God, the disbelievers. Slaying and being slain in the Name of God was a promise binding with God in all His Scriptures.

9:111 Lo! Allah hath bought from the believers their lives and their wealth because the Garden will be theirs: they shall fight in the way of Allah and shall slay and be slain. It is a promise which is binding on Him in the Torah and the Gospel and the Quran. Who fulfilleth His covenant better than Allah? Rejoice then in your bargain that ye have made, for that is the supreme triumph.

058.022 Thou wilt not find folk who believe in Allah and the Last day loving those who oppose Allah and His messenger, even though they be their fathers or their sons or their brethren or their clan. As for such, He hath written faith upon their hearts and hath strengthened them with a Spirit from Him, and He will bring them into Gardens underneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide. Allah is well pleased with them, and they are well pleased with Him. They are Allah's party. Lo! is it not Allah's party who are the successful ?

Don't you know that Moses ordered the Children of Israel who worshiped the golden calf in his absence to fight each other with their sword wherein 120,000 died in just one day? Idolatry is an unforgivable crime in the sight of God, and God's punishment for idolaters hasn't changed. People who ascribe partners to God are idolaters, whether it be their wealth, family, their priest, and most of all Jesus, are idolaters and a painful doom is promised to them on the LAST DAY.

I will list down what God has said in the Holy Quran about the Last Day, and it is more graphic and more plain than any revelation in the Bible that you quoted.

080.033 But when the Shout cometh

080.034 On the day when a man fleeth from his brother

080.035 And his mother and his father

080.036 And his wife and his children,

080.037 Every man that day will have concern enough to make him heedless (of others).

080.038 On that day faces will be bright as dawn,

080.039 Laughing, rejoicing at good news;

080.040 And other faces, on that day, with dust upon them,

080.041 Veiled in darkness,

080.042 Those are the disbelievers, the wicked.
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081.001 When the sun is overthrown,

081.002 And when the stars fall,

081.003 And when the hills are moved,

081.004 And when the camels big with young are abandoned,

081.005 And when the wild beasts are herded together,

081.006 And when the seas rise,

081.007 And when souls are reunited,

081.008 And when the girl-child that was buried alive is asked

081.009 For what sin she was slain,

081.010 And when the pages are laid open,

081.011 And when the sky is torn away,

081.012 And when hell is lighted,

081.013 And when the Garden is brought nigh,

081.014 (Then) every soul will know what it hath made ready.

081.015 Oh, but I call to witness the planets,

081.016 The stars which rise and set,

081.017 And the close of night,

081.018 And the breath of morning

081.019 That this is in truth the word of an honoured messenger,

081.020 Mighty, established in the presence of the Lord of the Throne,

081.021 (One) to be obeyed, and trustworthy;

081.022 And your comrade is not mad.

081.023 Surely he beheld Him on the clear horizon.

081.024 And he is not avid of the Unseen.

081.025 Nor is this the utterance of a devil worthy to be stoned.

081.026 Whither then go ye ?

081.027 This is naught else than a reminder unto creation,

081.028 Unto whomsoever of you willeth to walk straight.

081.029 And ye will not, unless (it be) that Allah willeth, the Lord of Creation.

***
082.001 When the heaven is cleft asunder,

082.002 When the planets are dispersed,

082.003 When the seas are poured forth,

082.004 And the sepulchres are overturned,

082.005 A soul will know what it hath sent before (it) and what left behind.

082.006 O man! What hath made thee careless concerning thy Lord, the Bountiful,

082.007 Who created thee, then fashioned, then proportioned thee ?

082.008 Into whatsoever form He will, He casteth thee.

082.009 Nay, but ye deny the Judgment.

082.010 Lo! there are above you guardians,

082.011 Generous and recording,

082.012 Who know (all) that ye do.

082.013 Lo! the righteous verily will be in delight.

082.014 And lo! the wicked verily will be in hell;

082.015 They will burn therein on the Day of Judgment,

082.016 And will not be absent thence.

082.017 Ah, what will convey unto thee what the Day of Judgment is!

082.018 Again, what will convey unto thee what the Day of Judgment is!

082.019 A day on which no soul hath power at all for any (other) soul. The (absolute) command on that day is Allah's.

***
084.001 When the heaven is split asunder

084.002 And attentive to her Lord in fear,

084.003 And when the earth is spread out

084.004 And hath cast out all that was in her, and is empty

084.005 And attentive to her Lord in fear!

084.006 Thou, verily, O man, art working toward thy Lord a work which thou wilt meet (in His presence).

084.007 Then whoso is given his account in his right hand

084.008 He truly will receive an easy reckoning

084.009 And will return unto his folk in joy.

084.010 But whoso is given his account behind his back,

084.011 He surely will invoke destruction,

084.012 And be thrown to scorching fire.

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posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 10:45 AM
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I believe that the Koran was a hodgepodge of several different texts that several different people tried to explain to him...and that he obviously had little or no understanding of.

The "new information" in the koran? Talking ants, people being turned into apes, sun setting in a pool of muddy water, sun waiting under a chair for permission to rise again, sperm coming from the backbone and ribs, gross math errors in rules dealing with inheritance, and 1 out of every 55 verses dealing with hatred, violence and waging war on Jews and Christians? I'd say that these were all uniquely Mohammed's.

PLEASE don't attempt the "there's only one version of the koran and it hasn't changed in 1400 years not even to a dot" propaganda. It only takes a minute or two with google to show that there are MANY different VERSIONS of the koran in Arabic. Now you could say the same on the Bible, unless its the King James version. That is the most accurate version of the Bible, that hasnt been changed. It has been attempted by the devil to add the "Apocrypha" in between the Old & New Testament. But failed. Like I said, the Bible is the ONLY word of God.



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 01:39 PM
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Surely anyone can take a quote out of context and use it to their own advantage. For instance:

Whoever does not abide in me is thrown away like a branch and withers; such branches are gathered, thrown into the fire, and burned.

If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off.

For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does.

But as for these enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and slaughter them in my presence

All from the New Testament. There are of course many others that could be cited. The point is that verses from the Koran are being quoted in just the same manner, but how many readers take the time to find out what the actual context was?
Perhaps the poem by Leigh Hunt (actually based upon a Sufi mystic) might be of some little use to cut through dogma?



posted on Jul, 9 2008 @ 01:55 PM
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The only difference between Muslims and other countries views on women is that in Islam it is written down.

Most countries treat women as inferior, including our neighbors in Mexico.

So you can't single out Islam for something everyone seems to do.

My friend from Nigeria always says that women here have no idea how good we have it. In Nigeria, they are not allowed to sit with their legs crossed in front of a man. Brides still have to be bought.



posted on Jul, 10 2008 @ 12:49 AM
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I believe that the Koran was a hodgepodge of several different texts that several different people tried to explain to him...and that he obviously had little or no understanding of.

The "new information" in the koran? Talking ants, people being turned into apes, sun setting in a pool of muddy water, sun waiting under a chair for permission to rise again, sperm coming from the backbone and ribs, gross math errors in rules dealing with inheritance, and 1 out of every 55 verses dealing with hatred, violence and waging war on Jews and Christians? I'd say that these were all uniquely Mohammed's.

PLEASE don't attempt the "there's only one version of the koran and it hasn't changed in 1400 years not even to a dot" propaganda. It only takes a minute or two with google to show that there are MANY different VERSIONS of the koran in Arabic. Now you could say the same on the Bible, unless its the King James version. That is the most accurate version of the Bible, that hasnt been changed. It has been attempted by the devil to add the "Apocrypha" in between the Old & New Testament. But failed. Like I said, the Bible is the ONLY word of God.


Actually for your information. Not a single line or punctuation has been touched in the Qoran. It has been the only book that hasn't been altered.
if you ask how i know this, i am muslim.
If you don't believe me, go and buy 5 types of Qoran and look at them page by page. they will be the exact same text.

don't talk about other religions if you don't know anything about them.



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