Also society works in a series of cause and effects. Let me point out three things,

1) there are places in America where many races co exist. There are also a large number of areas where bigotry flourishes.

2) It's taken a new form that's 'innocent' and 'unaware' of itself.

3) The ignorance comes from all sides, and creates a climate of chaos. The only way to bring peace is to leave the gun behind.


Anyways, I no nobody's listening, but I'm warning you, this board has the complete potential to be a sesspool of the most dangerous and disgusting racists.

Now for the compliments.

A) It's ok to carry the Confederate Flag as long as it's not a superiority or hatred completed. I understand some people want to honor their ancestors and history (Some confederate generals in the civil war were among the most civilized and honorable men).

B) This is America and you have the right to your words. But along with that right is the maturity to use it.

C) Nobody's perfect.

D) And no. Black people are not all the same. Some come from America, others from Hati, a few from Uganda a couple from Nigeria, and even some from Europe. And believe it or not, quite a few didn't get there by force.


(I will back everything I mentioned with sources if requested)

Where are these Untied States of America of which you speak?






You may want to master your own language before you start commenting on someone else's ignorance.

This serves to once again underscore the pervasive racism that continues to plague this country.

I first became aware of the black national anthem and the black pledge of allegiance during my high school senior year - 1972. At that time I chose to accept a 3 day suspension rather than stand these were being presented during a black awareness week at my school. I instead voiced my disagreement with the further polarization of race by walking out of a general assembly that included also many parents and local dignitaries.

My convictions have not changed in the ensuing 36 years.

It seems this subject rears it's ugly head every time something brings a national or regional awareness of the persistent racism that is a part of Homo sapiens nature. In this case it is the race issue of a national election.

My efforts will continue to be for unity.

One nation.
One constitution.
One world.
A plethora of cultures and ethnicities that strive for one ideal.

Though I do not not think I will see an end to racism, bigotry, greed, famine, or war in my lifetime; I refuse to sit idly by and accept a loss of progress without at least voicing my disagreement.

So, what you're saying is: It's absolutely impossible that this woman's actions could have been motivated by some misguided attempt at supporting of Barack Obama?

Because I don't see it that way. It's apparent from her own comments that her substitution was intentional.

One must logically question her motivation for doing so. Was the intentional substitution racially motivated? Was it a misguided attempt at supporting Barack Obama? Was she just trying to get publicity for herself? The possibilities are endless.. So, is making an Obama connection really that far of a stretch for the average person?



I believe your question was:

"Well Ted Bundy was white. Using the same logic what does that tell me about white Americans?" Which I answered factually as follows:

"That a small percentage of it's constituents fall into the sociopathic category of mental illness?" Obviously this wasn't the answer you were hoping for.

Nobody in this thread, to my knowledge, has said Obama personally endorsed her actions. You're simply making assumptions.

I'm not sure what murky line you think it crossed.. Maybe you could elaborate a little for us?

Bottom line.. She was asked to sing the Star Spangled Banner, yet sung the Black National Anthem instead. She should have been escorted of the stage. There's a time and place for everything, this wasn't it.

I totally agree with you. But the liberals would have gone absofreakin-ape$heet over such a thing and Al Sharpton would have been having a stroke screaming "RACIAL INTOLERANCE! RACIAL INTOLERANCE!"

*Sarcasm* God forbid, GOD FORBID ANYONE criticize a black man or woman while Obama makes his HISTORIC run for office! *Sarcasm off*

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It's a song ! Get over it !
Patriots... You know, when you're a 20 year old GI (probably black...), dying 3000 miles from home, you don't really hear the national anthem ringing in your ears... Thats just in the movies. And bad ones at that.
You don't care about your country, or the patriotic racist prats who live there, you just care about the fact that you're dying, with your guts hanging out, because some "patriotic president" sent you there.
Get a grip on reality.

The United States are only united symbolically and because there are 48 divisions of one chunk of land. This country has become a bevy of micro nations all jockeying for position over one another.

Every country, nation and religion is represented via immigrants, both legal and illegal.

Now, every religion and every micro nation is trying to lay claim to this one country. It is so subtly obvious and all too often that which makes the greatest splash is just the front cover for the insidious truth of what is going on. The media explodes the small things and covers up the big picture to keep the masses outraged and distracted.

Its times like these where expressing opinion is all that need be done, but keep your head clear and keep your eyes open for what follows. Its like witness protection...they are hiding the truth in plain sight.

But it was the wrong song unfortunately, and very badly sung at that. What everyone wants to know is "what was the motivation behind her substitution of the Star Spangle Banner with the Black National anthem?

I'd imagine the same could be said for any soldier fighting an unpopular war, not just the black ones. Don't you?

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i agree that it was kind of disgracing the national anthem and i agreed with you until you decided to toss obama's name into it, how does this have anything to do with him?
at first i did not understand why you would make a thread on something thats in the very mainstream news until you threw obama in the mix out of nowhere....then it became clear.

when i read 'Black National Anthem' i should have known someone would throw around Barack Obama's name in there....but thats my fault.

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i disagree 100%. most of the soilders i know would die gladly for this country in any war popular or not. it dosent change a thing for a person who joined the service for selfless reasons and not just a free ride to college.

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Well, when you're dying is when you realize how stupid you were for being a patriot. Because when you're dying, you could'nt care less about your country. Trust me on this.
No classical music, no slow motion. No rough patriotic last sentences like "oh well, at least I served my country like a real soldier, tell my wife that I love her, and GOD BLESS AMERICA. Just screaming, blood, and the smell of fear and piss.

I guess we all have our issues. Some people get hot about the national anthem and black people. Mine is with flag waving racist patriots, who think it's heroic to get sent far away from home to kill and die for some rich guys pocket.

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It's not just a song, it's our national anthem, something every country has, a song that represents a countries as much as its people. It's pretty important and not just a song. Besides that doesn't take away from the way in which the ***** went about her mockery, if she "meant no disrespect" and all that bull**** then why did she feel the need to keep it a secret only her and her husband knew about, that is an admission of guilt allready.

It was not some "artistic expression", I meen if your a simple fool believes everything your told, then take her word for it, but to us that arn't stupid it is clear as day that this was a bold rebellious political statement. She sang the BLACK national anthem to a bunch of white people, she can pretend to be kind and passive in her comments, but she is a dark hearted racist women. This is in your face racism!

As for the BO connection, this was a democratic funtion so anything coming from it is subject to being tied to the party. Allthough not a direct link with BO himself, the link is there through the way he and the black community has carried themselves, their constant chest puffing with racial pride is getting out of hand and it's this kind of stuff that puts a sore on the democratic party and his bid for President. It's like that saying pride comes before the fall.

Oh, that Ted Bundy analogy is pathetic. The OP was linking a Black liberal in the political spotlight, with a Black Liberal in the political spotlight.

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A song is a song. There are no great countries, just great people. I don't care for my national anthem. Because I don't relate to the crap my country has done to the rest of the world. And it would mean that I have something in common with some of the people who have posted here.
I have no country, I just have brothers.

i cant see what the problem is with some of you americans. its just a song, im english and i couldnt give a monkeys about englands national anthem, im not anti royalty but its just a song. the usa is the same as the uk in that youve made lots of money out of slavery yet treat black people as second class people. that anthem is theirs just as much as yours so they have the right to add bits to it if they want. if any white american wants to argue the toss about whos anthem it is, 1 question-whos country is it? cos in reality it cartainly aint yours! there was a certain group of people that lived there before you...

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Well thats all fine and dandy for you. But I happen to respect the country and I don't much appreciate those that disrespect it. I'm not sure where you going with your logic anyway. You seem highly offensive to me actually, what is your ethnicity? How long have you been a US citizen? Are your parents Natural born US citizens? I meen bias goes a long way in the mind of a prideful person.

All irrelevant.

The point is that she sang a song that was different than the song she said she'd sing. Past that it's personal taste as to whether you like the song or not. If you didn't like the song, then that's on you.

It's not an insult to any country, or any person.

Watch out. You're falling into the trap that she (or whoever gave her the idea to this) set up. Basically, they want to trick people into saying something that could be interpreted as somehow "racist" toward blacks and, even better, link this event with Obama. Then the Democrats can point at your statements as evidence of the evil racist Republicans who only oppose their candidate because of his skin color.

They're pulling out all the stops here.

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Wasn't that the Black National Anthem she sang in place of the regular National Anthem in front of a political stage full of white people. How is that not offensive to people and a country. I really don't understand you, you have no logic, you are just saying it, throwing it out there like a leaf in the wind...."it's not racist", wow, thank you for the insight, but I have said why I feel it is.