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posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 09:41 AM
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Originally posted by furiousracer313


You do know their Bible is different right?



They use the King James bible.

You are so totally blinded by your own narrow minded prejudice.




posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by furiousracer313
You do know their Bible is different right?


Yes I do. And like any other man that heard and saw Jesus Christ walk the earth, there are those I am sure that penned their memory of him should they have had the parchment to do so.

I am sure that many who saw him spoke of his teachings, without scripture. The Word of God spread like wildfire through the hills with people telling of this man who is the Son of God.

In the beginning there was the Word. And that Word has come to mankind in a multitude of ways, from a voice, the manifestation of a man named Jesus, to a vision and a dream.

Think that you have seen all of the Prophets? Even the book of Revelation speaks of the two witnessess who have the power to shut off the heavens from rain during their travels.



Originally posted by furiousracer313
What about their satanic rituals? Look I dont hate Mormons, but they don't know what their getting into.. Joseph Smith even used violent acts to get people to accept his religion. Jesus never used violent acts.


I understand your concern, for non of us wish to be lead astray or to lead another astray. There is a story where another man is healing in the name of God and the apostles wanted to stop him, but Jesus let him be.

Jesus also says in another area, that there are sheep not of this flock that will be in heaven.

As far as their rituals, I am not familiar. For the sake of putting the argument to rest, perhaps you could list some of them in a factual manner. And just as I do not judge the message of Jesus by the acts of the Crusades, what I have seen in history is the abuse of power in the name of God by men of misunderstanding.

Just as their are Mormon that bring forth good fruit, so are there Christians and men of other faith. Unify and come together, and practice Christs command of Love one another. In doing so, we all become fishers of men and the net becomes full of a bountiful harvest.

Peace

[edit on 5-7-2008 by HIFIGUY]



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:28 PM
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There are over 1500 Christian faith groups in North America.

With one common denominator - - they believe Jesus Christ is their one and only Savior.

Mormons - full name: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints - - believe Jesus is their one and only Savior.

All of these faith groups have varying belief's and rituals.

www.religioustolerance.org...



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 01:34 PM
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Annee....thanks for your kind remarks the other day, and Happy 4th!!


But, can you expand on the LDS a little, pretty please? Perhaps you have a chance to dispel some notions.

I DO know that the LDS Church is centered on Jesus. But, isn't the basic tenet of their faith teaching that Jesus lived here in North America, (in the 1800s) and was infact Caucasion??? OR, is it the supposition that Jesus APPEARED in the 1800s?



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 03:37 PM
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Wow what a nightmare this is, eh?

OK, I was baptized just about a year ago by the Mormon Church. But I didn't get baptized for them, or to become a Mormon. Does that freak you out? I will give the original post a 70% truth factor. I don't like the fact that the Mormon Church doesn't tell you the whole truth, and a lot of things I didn't find out till after I was baptized. Which is probably why I am only going to church now about once every six weeks.

There are things they don't tell you like the undergarment stuff. Oh and you forgot to mention that everyone that isn't married in the Mormon Church isn't really married in they eyes of God, which makes most of us illegitimate in the eyes of God. But hey I don't have to agree with everything they teach, even if they think I should.

But I am not posting to take the Mormon church apart. I'd like to address some of the things posted by Furiousracer.

The following are quotes from his posts:

"Well there are many types of Christians. I an a nondenominational Chrsitian. Which means i go by the Bible, and do not do traditions that were man made. Think about, many other religions have man made traditions that Jesus never performed. Jesus only came and spread his word. So thats what I live by. "

You go by the bible? You forgot to mention which bible, and are you sure its the 'right one'? Is it the right one cause you say it is?

"Lets see here, Christianity is not the same as Mormonism. Mormons may seem like Christians but their beliefs are not the correct ones, because Jesus or his disiples never taught them. "

Mormons are Christians, but they are in a different classification. They do believe in Jesus, and they do teach what he taught.


"Mormonism is NOT the same as Christianity. You see how corrupt many religions are? You see how Satan has deceived many? I am a Christian but i go by what the Bible says. If there is a man made tradition that is not in the Bible, I wont celebrate it. "

Oh, so you don't celebrate Christmas? It wasn't in the bible. I don't remember Jesus having a Christmas did he? That's one for the JW"S! You go by what the bible says? Again, which bible? KJV? NIV? Catholic? Gnostic?? etc... are you getting the point here dude? Satan has deceived many and you are deluded.


"I put that link up on the first page, incase u didnt notice. And the Christina religion (At least my church) doesnt do any satanic traditions or use satanic symbols like mormons church. "

Your church doesn't do and satanic traditions??? Wow how cool is that? Don't believe you for a minute. You are probably one of the Christians that believe Jesus was God don't ya? Yet God says not to worship idols. And you idolize Jesus don't ya. But Jesus himself says he is the son of God, so ya wanna explain that? Oh, and you know anyone that works on the sabbath, cause they aren't suppose to... should I go on.

What is a satanic tradition in your eyes anyway?


"No I dont hate Mormons. I just trying to save their to, so when they die they dont go to Hell. "

Dictionary.com says that the word 'hate' means intense dislike. I think you are hating, whatever you decide to call it. And you can't save anyone, only Jesus and God can. Get off the I am better than you stool already.


"Let me clarify this statement. Jesus prohibited us to do pagan worship. Many religions have books, but they did not originate until AFTER Jesus went to heaven and the Bible was created. And yes they Holy Spirit guided man to write the Bible, so technically it was written by God. The devil has tied to poison it with false texts, and doctrines, but has failed. And all the predictions stated are 100% accurate. The only ones left are the ones that are starting to happen, and the ones that will later on happen as we are in the "Last Days". "

So you believe that the bible is the only inspired word of God? That there is no one else, anymore, that God influences. Wow, then God has to have been pretty bored the last couple of thousands of years.

Did you know that your, yes YOUR very own religion changed the bible. That they protested against the Catholic Church in the 1500's and removed, yes removed, books from the bible? And that every translation including the KJV has changed wording. Boy nothing like hypocrisy to make a statement with.

Oh and the Mormons use the King James Bible.

"You see how the devil has deceived the world? Jesus did NOT come to earth to create a religion, but to let you know how to get to heaven, and how to live your life. But the devil has deceived everyone by creating false religions.. The only thing i can say is follow the Bible (KJV) and accept Jesus as your Lord an Savior. "

The Mormons believe Jesus Christ is their savior. Oh and as far as Jesus not creating a religion, I think your right. Jesus wasn't a Christian. And if he saw how they acted he wouldn't want to be one.


"Creating change and helping other is good. But if they don't accept Jesus as their savior, they won't go to heaven, no matter who and how many they have helped. "

Again, Mormons do accept Jesus as their savior.


"You do know their Bible is different right? "

No they have the same bible. They have the three other books they study with the KJV. Do your homework better.


"What about their satanic rituals? Look I dont hate Mormons, but they don't know what their getting into.. Joseph Smith even used violent acts to get people to accept his religion. Jesus never used violent acts. "

The Christian religion is full of violent acts. In the old testament alone God kills over 10 million people. Pretty hypocritical for a God that is telling us not to kill people. Explain that. I do believe you are hateful, very hateful, and self righteous.

I will pray for you.... ha ha No one religion is right not the Mormons or any other, and to think so makes all of us look stupid, including me. Instead of preaching Jesus we should be preaching God, and God my friend is about love.

There is no such thing as unconditional love, because love is unconditional. If there are conditions then it is a game and love ceases to exist.

Dang do your homework better before you speak, k?

This is the longest post I have made to date...

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posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 03:52 PM
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Zaimless, very interesting take on the subject, thank you for contributing.

We, who are not schooled in the Morman church welcome a very un-biased perspective.

Before you give me a star or anything, know this: I actually do not partake of any religion, because I find them all to be a travesty.

Having said that, I'll now say: It is a personal choice, to wish to comply with a religion. Sometimes it is forced upon you, by parents or society, but eventually it still becomes a personal choice, and there is nothing wrong with YOUR choice, it's what the LEADERS of any religion wish to do with the power they are given, by innocent people, that bothers me.

This is the basis of my belief....



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 03:57 PM
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Thank you weedwacker... oh and I did star you... I am basically not a religous person at all. I was baptized for my own purposes, and it had nothing to do with the religion its self.

I am very spiritually natured by choice. Religions get to caught up in Dogmas and crap like that. Religion is about rituals as far as I am concerned, and not enough about freedom of the spirit (I really don't know what else to call it.

Thank you again...



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 03:59 PM
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Very happy to have said something that may make people think, but I still bow to you, because you said it best.

Cheers.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 04:23 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by furiousracer313


You do know their Bible is different right?



They use the King James bible.

You are so totally blinded by your own narrow minded prejudice.



No they use the Book of Mormon..



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 04:46 PM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA... *Clap* *Clap* *Clap*, I like the questions u bring up, and i see i wasn't very clear earlier. Let me clarify:

Here is what u said in quotes:

"You go by the bible? You forgot to mention which bible, and are you sure its the 'right one'? Is it the right one cause you say it is?"

The KJV is my Bible. And i know the history of it, to give u the info go right here:
The Attack

"Oh, so you don't celebrate Christmas? It wasn't in the bible. I don't remember Jesus having a Christmas did he? That's one for the JW"S! You go by what the bible says? Again, which bible? KJV? NIV? Catholic? Gnostic?? etc... are you getting the point here dude? Satan has deceived many and you are deluded."

Actually I do, but i found out the truth recently. Jesus wasnt born in December, he was born in around September. If u read the descriptoins in the verse about the sheperad being in the field with the sheep, and other stuff like that, u will realize that it wasnt cold. The weather has been studied, and it couldnt have been Christmas.

"Your church doesn't do and satanic traditions??? Wow how cool is that? Don't believe you for a minute. You are probably one of the Christians that believe Jesus was God don't ya? Yet God says not to worship idols. And you idolize Jesus don't ya. But Jesus himself says he is the son of God, so ya wanna explain that? Oh, and you know anyone that works on the sabbath, cause they aren't suppose to... should I go on."

Jesus is God. He made himself man to save the human race. Jesus himself says, if u know me then u know the father. And sabbath is actually Saturday, not Sunday, the calendar was changed.

"So you believe that the bible is the only inspired word of God? That there is no one else, anymore, that God influences. Wow, then God has to have been pretty bored the last couple of thousands of years."

To God a day is a thousand years and a thousand years is a day to him.Its in the bible, i'll put the verse in later, im kinda in a hurry.

"Did you know that your, yes YOUR very own religion changed the bible. That they protested against the Catholic Church in the 1500's and removed, yes removed, books from the bible? And that every translation including the KJV has changed wording. Boy nothing like hypocrisy to make a statement with."

Read the link i put up earlier, it will explain all of this, along with the Books being taken out.

"The Christian religion is full of violent acts. In the old testament alone God kills over 10 million people. Pretty hypocritical for a God that is telling us not to kill people. Explain that. I do believe you are hateful, very hateful, and self righteous."

These people went against God, do your homework better. And the new testament is where Jesus died on the Cross for our sins, so we can have a chance to go to heaven.

"I will pray for you.... ha ha No one religion is right not the Mormons or any other, and to think so makes all of us look stupid, including me. Instead of preaching Jesus we should be preaching God, and God my friend is about love."

Jesus is God. So basically u called God a liar. Go read the KJV of the bible, and then come back and talk to me. any other smart mouthed questions u got to ask me??



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 07:03 PM
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How sad the OP's life must be. I'm a full on LDS, and i gotta say, EVERYTHING (yes everything) was no where close to what it actually is. If your gonna lie, at least do it well sheesh. If you have a question about the LDS church (anyone) ask me. I'm not "one of those Mormons" that'll try to convert you and get you converted. Just informed to the point were you won't look like an idiot like this guy who went to the JW's for answers about a different church, seems odd. When i have questions about a church i usually go to that church to get it answered. Yes, there are things we keep shyed away from the public, why? Because we see them as sacred and holy practises that aren't meant for casual conversation. Not because they are so different from the way we wish to be portrayed or whatever.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by furiousracer313

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by furiousracer313


You do know their Bible is different right?



They use the King James bible.

You are so totally blinded by your own narrow minded prejudice.



No they use the Book of Mormon..


That response right there shows how wrong and misinformed you are.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 10:09 PM
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The Mormons believe that, the Bible is incomplete. So they added like 2 more texts, which are false. Did u know Joseph Smith was apart of the Illuminati?? I bet u didnt.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 11:45 PM
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No. YOU BELIEVE that Mormons believe that the Bible is incomplete, and YOU BELIEVE that Mormons believe all those other things that we have already told you are false. There is a difference. Your belief does not reflect the reality of what Mormons believe. I'm not interested in converting people, you or anyone else here, but I am interested in making sure that lies are not spread.

You can believe whatever you want, no matter how ridiculous, but you are passing off opinions and lies as fact, and that is why you have had a rough time in this thread from pretty much everyone, both Mormons like myself and others who are not of my faith, but have actually educated themselves about the Mormon faith, even if they have another faith or no religion at all.

It's the same phenomenon as when people laugh at the 'free energy motor' people in the sci/tech forum, or the ones who say that 15000 years ago we had atomic warfare in the history forum. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to do your homework and actually learn about what you are talking about, instead of plagiarizing Media Ministries, who are inventing 'facts' and stretching truths in order to sell you some books and videos.

Now, that is probably the nastiest post I've ever made on ATS, and I just went back and cut out some parts that probably would have earned me a warning from the mods. I'm just trying to tell you that you've got the facts wrong, hopefully without pissing you off too badly. I hardly expect you to jump into a baptismal font, but I do expect you to live up to the Christian values you claimed earlier, and to remember Exodus 20:16 (yes, from the Bible) which states "Thou shalt not bear false witness". That's also a condition, expressed in more modern language, in the ATS T&C, which I also refer you to.



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by furiousracer313

Originally posted by jitombe
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So what if everything you say about the mormon religion is true, they are not better or worse than any other mainstream religion out there.

I don't get the whole fixation with sex that some religions seem to have. It takes a special person to firmly believe that they will somehow keep having sex after they die. I just don't get the whole concept of sex in the afterlife, don't see it happening personally, bunch of simpletons in this world.



Mormonism is NOT the same as Christianity. You see how corrupt many religions are? You see how Satan has deceived many? I am a Christian but i go by what the Bible says. If there is a man made tradition that is not in the Bible, I wont celebrate it.


Posting on the internet is not in the bible. Why are you celebrating it? Latter Day Saints are christian. Look at the title of the church, it's obvious. By any chance are you a new convert?



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 12:51 PM
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Originally posted by eye open doors

Originally posted by furiousracer313

Originally posted by jitombe
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So what if everything you say about the mormon religion is true, they are not better or worse than any other mainstream religion out there.

I don't get the whole fixation with sex that some religions seem to have. It takes a special person to firmly believe that they will somehow keep having sex after they die. I just don't get the whole concept of sex in the afterlife, don't see it happening personally, bunch of simpletons in this world.



Mormonism is NOT the same as Christianity. You see how corrupt many religions are? You see how Satan has deceived many? I am a Christian but i go by what the Bible says. If there is a man made tradition that is not in the Bible, I wont celebrate it.


Posting on the internet is not in the bible. Why are you celebrating it? Latter Day Saints are christian. Look at the title of the church, it's obvious. By any chance are you a new convert?



Dont be a smart a$$..



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 04:09 PM
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I am just following through with the tone of your post. Treating you as you wish to be treated. You are the initiator. If you want genuine replies, then make genuine posts. The stuff you posted in the OP was utter garbage.

The very much Christian Latter Day Saints may be a little twisted like the rest, but you will not catch them pointing to the other side of the street while standing at the pulpit. Some of the members may, but it's frowned upon.

Why do you think these others churches preach against them? I have few suggestions, but I'd like to see what you have to say first.






posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 06:09 PM
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Maybe this can prove my point... Mormon people are not evil, but they are just confused, and don't know what they're getting themselves into...

Mormon Freemason video

Mormon Satan Worship

Mormon Baal Worship



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 07:48 PM
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Originally posted by furiousracer313

Maybe this can prove my point... Mormon people are not evil, but they are just confused, and don't know what they're getting themselves into...


Well that certainly proves one thing.

If you want to find someone who agrees with you - the Internet provides.

Of course - I am sure you didn't look up all those with opposing views and accurate information.



posted on Jul, 6 2008 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by furiousracer313

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by furiousracer313


You do know their Bible is different right?



They use the King James bible.

You are so totally blinded by your own narrow minded prejudice.



No they use the Book of Mormon..


Ok, wake up and smell the roses. Did you read my post? I was baptized by the Morman Church, they consider me a member, and I real the King James Version. Geeze... get a life...




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