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The Cure For Hospital Madness

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posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 04:14 AM
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0ne of the main problems we see today in hospitals is the number of people who seek treatment without a way to pay for their treatment. A great majority of the people will show up without health insurance, and expect top notch treatment.

Another main problem is that people of today's world are brainwashed to think that medicines, or magical pills, and doctors, are the only way to survive. This mentality is also amplified with fear, which is amplified even more with lack of knowledge. It is also amplified with addicting medications, and the ability to obtain these medications through prescriptions by visiting the doctor.

It is obvious to me that some parents whose child came down with a flu will panic, and rush to the hospital thinking their child is about to die. Then upon arriving at the hospital, and waiting in line with the rest of the paranoid parents and their children, they finally see a doctor which looks at the child for a few seconds and gives them flu medication that you could probably buy over the counter at a drug store. This entire waste of time and energy could have been avoided if the parents and or child were more educated in the medical field, and less fearful and paranoid. Someone should teach them about immune systems.

I am no doctor, but I know for a fact that probably 50% or more of the patients in the hospital really don't need to be there. They rely on doctors and medications way to much. I believe that this could be avoided if people would research their symptoms first, before seeing a doctor. It would save lots of money and lots of time if people would surf the internet and research their problems before they go see a doctor.

It would be great if hospitals had computers with internet access, or computer programs that help pin-point your problems by narrowing down the symptoms, this would make doctor visits less likely. There are many medical website today that do just that. They have you select a section of a human figure where the problem is, and they narrow down the symptoms with multiple choice questions. I myself have avoided many trips to the hospital by simply researching my problems myself, and curing them either naturally or with home remedies. This could be dangerous with more serious issues, but if something is serious then that is when you need to see a doctor. Some might think this would take money away from doctors, but it won't. It will give doctors more time to relax and concentrate on more serious issues, instead of dealing with non-issues.

When you are bleeding constantly, or you broke a bone, that is when you need to go see a doctor. When you have a cold, a flu, a rash, or a headache, or something very common, avoid the doctor. I believe most of the problems at hospital's these days are people who are drug addicts. Yes, I said it, people who think pills are going to solve all their problems are the reason hospitals and health insurance are huge issues today.

I think educating parents and children with a few medical notes would reduce the demand at hospitals, which would decrease the cost of health insurance.

Personally, I've only been to the hospital 5 or 6 times. My first time was because I got bitten by a dog on the eyelid, and I was bleeding and needed stitches on my eyelid. I was like 4 or 5 years old. Other times is when I broke my finger in football. Another time I got hit by a baseball in the eye and needed a CAT scan. Another when I injured my knee in extreme sports (bmx/mx). And another time I broke out in hives for the first time in my life, and I thought I got bit by a spider. Then another time was because I thought I fractured my rib, and I needed x-rays. All of my visits had a real reason behind it. Every time I have ever waited in a waiting room with a real injury, I see people that are waiting next to me only because they have a flu, or don't feel good! Crap if I went to the doctor every time I didn't feel good, I would be there every other day!

Medications and doctors for depression?!!?!?! This is a new low, nobody should ever take medications or see a doctor for depression! Just find something to make you happy!

I believe a lot of problems in today's world could be solved by simply educating people. What do you think?








[edit on 2-7-2008 by ALLis0NE]




posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 04:18 AM
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Here is a song to lighten up the moment.



Here's your new drug
Shoot it in the left eye
Feel it on the right side
No it's not love
Though it sets up shop behind your ribcage
Building blood clots and black holes
Like using an axe to pull
A sliver from your skin

And they say this is medicine
An overdose of oxygen
A severed head as sedative
To be at peace would be a sin
And surely un-american
I'm breaking

Here's your new blood
Transfusion took us all night
Tell us that you're all right
No it's not love
Though feels like fire inside of your veins
Burning right beneath the wrist
Begging for a razor's kiss
To free it from your skin

And they say this is medicine
An overdose of oxygen
A severed head as sedative
To be at peace would be a sin
And surely unamerican
I'm breaking down

Lift the veil, it's not medicine
And my heart fails, time and time again



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 06:29 AM
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I 100% agree with you. Doctors are fine for emergency medical treatment only.
For long term illness or prevention of such..they suck.
General practitioners are basically drug pushers.
Definition of Antibiotic-
Medical dictionary-



Definition of Antibiotic

Antibiotic: A drug used to treat infections caused by bacteria and other microorganisms.


Regular dictionary-

an·ti·bi·ot·ic (nt-b-tk, nt-)
n.
A substance, such as penicillin or streptomycin, produced by or derived from certain fungi, bacteria, and other organisms, that can destroy or inhibit the growth of other microorganisms. Antibiotics are widely used in the prevention and treatment of infectious diseases.
adj.
1. Of or relating to antibiotics.
2. Of or relating to antibiosis.
3. Destroying life or preventing the inception or continuance of life.

Note the third definition????? A great cure...NOT!
I believe the term you were looking for is "HYPOCHONDRIAC". One who rushes to the doctor for the slightest pain or sniffle. My mother was one..I was at the doctors office every other week for something. Given penicillin at least once a month for stupid stuff. I had allergies..and was treated like I had a chronic sinus infection. I have hypoglycemia, and the doctor told my mother that low blood sugar meant I needed to eat more sugar!!!! STUPID!

Since I was 16, I refused all medications and went all natural remedies. I educated myself. To this day I still do..21 years later. I use natural remedies for my children.We all rarely get sick with colds or flu, with the exception of the Norwalk virus that comes around every year, and I have yet to foil it..but I will.
I have a quote somewhere..darned if I can remember who penned it..but it rings true..
"Modern medicine-The art of amusing the patient while nature cures the disease"

Definition of disease..
From a medical dictionary..



Definition of Disease

Disease: Illness or sickness often characterized by typical patient problems (symptoms) and physical findings (signs).


From a regular Dictionary..

dis·ease (d-zz)
n.
1. A pathological condition of a part, organ, or system of an organism resulting from various causes, such as infection, genetic defect, or environmental stress, and characterized by an identifiable group of signs or symptoms.
2. A condition or tendency, as of society, regarded as abnormal and harmful.
3. Obsolete Lack of ease; trouble.



Paints quite a different picture, doesn't it?
Doctors look at disease, and think.."How can I get rid of this?" Instead of..
"Gee..I wonder what caused it?"
A good story I read once..
" A doctor is walking along a river bank, when he hears screams of HELP! coming from the water. He looks and he sees a man with arms flailing drowning in the river.He rushes into the water, pulls the man to safety, gets him breathing again..and he hears another scream river! This time a woman.
He rushes in and pulls her to safety as well. Then he hears three more screams coming from the water..he rushes in to save them as well. Then more screams, and more screams..
The Doctor is so busy saving people from the river, he can't run up the riverbank to see who the heck keeps throwing them into the water."
Get the point???
Doctors , unfortunately, have put themselves into a place of high position over society, somewhat like police and clergy. Like we are ignorant, and must blindly follow. Most do. They quickly dismiss all natural remedies as snake oil. I'd rather be burned at the stake for being a witch than having any modern doctor touch me.
I'm all for educating people..but that would be a tough road. Too many blindly believe that doctors are gods. And where would you begin the education? In schools? Parents would argue, I'm sure. But the younger the better, I say...for the next generation to be passed along.
I teach my children what I know..it's all I can do. I educate those whose ask, but carefully.
Great thread..Flagged.
AD

Edit to add..
If you go to the hospital to get better..you don't need this...
en.wikipedia.org...

en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 07:45 AM
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Very great post! Yes, Hypochondriac was exactly the world I was looking for.



Hypochondriasis (or hypochondria, sometimes referred to as health phobia) refers to an excessive preoccupation or worry about having a serious illness.


It seems to me that doctors should learn how to cure hypochondria.


Also, I agree with you that most doctors probably rely on the placebo effect just until the body naturally heals itself.

I think the only way to educate the people would be to do it right there in the hospital waiting room, or to do public service announcements during the Superbowl or American Idol commercials, or some other TV show... sadly.


I strongly believe that this hypochondria problem is effecting the hospitals, and greatly effecting health care.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 07:54 AM
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Well the reason many rush to the emergency room is because they aren't going to pay a dime for it anyway, and they feel they are OWED it.

Your comments regarding depression, just find something to make you happy? Haha...yeah hard core depression means the "something to make you happy" often involves a rope or a bullet. Apparently you have never seen what long term depression does to a person; don't tempt the universe to enlighten you on the topic.

Edit -- to better explain about "making yourself happy". Ever had a bad case of the flu? Not eaten for a couple of days because you are too sick? Imagine being in that situation and forcing yourself to "just find food that tastes really good". There is NO food that is appealing or tastes good when you are really sick from the flu.You don't want to eat, you want to sleep, you just want relief from the misery. When one is extremely depressed there are no activities that appeal, or satisfy, or make one happy.


[edit on 2-7-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 08:13 AM
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No doctor is going to educate the masses on self health care and the prevention of disease. It would take away his livelihood, and weekends on the golf course.
As for using the media, the American Medical association, and all the drug companies that plug their wares on National television..would cry foul.
People , unfortunately have a lack of awareness about their own bodies and how they really work. Doctors know this and it is their greatest advantage.
It is just another way of keeping the herd of sheep in line.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:10 AM
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This thread grabbed my attention.

I work as a radiologist and no matter what is posted about natural cures, spirituality, big-pharma, cutters, voodoo snake-oil spiritualists, Mom's home remedies and golf it remains central that the matter of access to the correct diagnosis, treatment and follow-up is beyond the scope of the uneducated in any given situation. Access to the correct choices is often the missing link in wellness.

The unique nature of each individual requires a unique response to disease challenge. I'm of the opinion there is no answer beyond the responsibility one takes for what one can access "if" a positive outcome is the the goal for self, family or other. Hypos are just a drain and a disease unto themselves and prevent others from access to the services they really do require. Murder by place-holder.

Nice post Firestar/Access Denied. I've got rads to deliver to a tweeny - it's never fair, never will be.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:36 AM
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You get a star from me on that post.

I was diagnosed with major depression in 1995. Started taking Prozac then and have switched to several different meds. only to find that Prozac was the best one for me.

You are absolutely correct in that if a person has never had a genuine case of depression they cannot know how it feels. It is a living hell. There is no topical fix. No thinking yourself happy.

I stopped taking Prozac last year for 5 months. The first 3 months I did just fine. I felt very good. The next 2 months I began to spiral downwards back into that hellish state of depression. I began to feel that death would be better than the way I was feeling.

I finally had enough sense to start taking Prozac again. Every day is better than the one before. No more crying for no known reason. No more holding my 38 S&W and contemplating taking my life. No more stinking thinking.

Some of us really do have a chemical imbalance and need a little help from modern medicine.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE
When you are bleeding constantly, or you broke a bone, that is when you need to go see a doctor. When you have a cold, a flu, a rash, or a headache, or something very common, avoid the doctor.
[edit on 2-7-2008 by ALLis0NE]


If I had followed this advice, I would've been dead long ago, as would my brother.

I was showing very common symptoms. Stomach cramps, vomiting, slight fever, insomnia. Why don't you go ahead and diagnose what I had, since you think anyone with a net connection can look up their symptoms and figure it out.

While you're at it, look up my brothers. His only symptom was vomiting up everything he ate. I'll put money down that you won't be able to figure out what it was that was killing him either.

Face it, doctors are needed. Yea, there's people out that who abuse the system, but ignoring what your body is telling you, or trying to self medicate, isn't the answer.

[edit on 7/2/2008 by tebyen]



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 01:05 PM
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Originally posted by tebyen
Stomach cramps, vomiting, slight fever, insomnia.


Sounds like food poisoning. Whenever you are vomiting, that is your body telling to you to get rid of whatever is in your digestive system. Stomach cramps are the same deal, its your body telling you you ate something wrong.

A flu starts off with a cold.

And about depression... I know what it is like, although, I am much stronger. You don't "think yourself happy". You go out, and you enjoy life, you make friends, and do things that will put a smile on your face. You don't sit around the house and dwell on it. And taking medications only makes it worse. Prozac is killing you, and you don't even realize it.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by tebyen
Stomach cramps, vomiting, slight fever, insomnia.


Can others guess? Did the pain subside when ya pushed on your abdomen? First guess is bad appendix.

Edit -- Second guess...if your brother was vomiting around the same time it could be spinal meningitis, which is pretty rare but does pop occasionally. I would question whether many gp's these days would catch it right off.


[edit on 2-7-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NEAnd about depression... I know what it is like, although, I am much stronger.


Haha...you know what its like huh? Had a couple of bad days have ya? Wow...you are incredibly arrogant.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 01:22 PM
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Sonya, I don't want to compare depression ok? I don't give a crap who is more depressed then who. Let's just say I lost a good majority of my closest friends to death, some suicides, some in Iraq, some accidents, and 1 of them was my girlfriend.

I was smart enough to understand that there is a certain part of the human body that makes chemicals. You don't need medications for a chemical imbalance such as "depression". Actually, taking medications for depression is the "easy way out". When you learn to battle depression naturally, then come talk to me about depression.

There is no medication on this Earth that can replace the feeling you get when you save someones life. Or when you feed a group of homeless people. Or when you put smiles on children's faces. Or when you enjoy a day/night with a loved one. That is how you battle depression. Don't be a sucker and poison yourself with depression medications, they are TRAPS.

They are designed to do exactly what the last poster said. They help, they wear out, they get you to quit, then they get you to come back. It's the simplest trick in the book for a constant stream of income. Just ask the cigarette companies.

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posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 01:53 PM
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If you put some limits on medical malpractive lawsuits, you would see alot more MD's be willing to keep kids at home with flu symptoms et al. However, the docs live in fear that some family will be looking to make a buck off of them if ANYTHING goes wrong. In that scenario, kids will be brought into the hospital.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 02:37 PM
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FredT I hear what you are saying about malpractice, but I really have mixed feelings about that. I avoid doctors and hospitals whenever possible, but twice in the last 3 years I had to enter a hospital in a couple of crisis situations.

I found that overall they were incredibly incompetent. The second time I had to deal with quite a few nurses and such (major surgery) and I soon realized I could not believe one WORD that came out of their mouths, whether it was something simple like how to clean a drain, or what meds were prescribed on my chart, to something important like a terminal cancer diagnosis. The surgery typically requires a 5 day hospital stay, I checked out AMA in 24 hours.

It was as if I had entered another world where people just make things up, say whatever they want, and somehow everyone just believes them. This was a private hospital, one of the best ones in this area, the surgeon was a specialist. It was not some gov funded flop house.

The only one I had any trust in was the surgeon because I knew he could not afford to f!@# up out of plain stupidity. Not because he is a nice guy (he isn't), not because he acts like he cares, but because he had a strong financial incentive to avoid stupid mistakes when he cuts people open.

[edit on 2-7-2008 by Sonya610]



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 03:03 PM
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Have you ever actually tried to use WebMD? YOu put in a symptom, like severe nausea, for instance and it spits out 100 diseases and conditions that all have a symptom of nausea and then tells you to go see a doctor. Web resources need to get a lot better if they are going to be good for anything.

I think people should go see a doctor if they think they should. Don't go to the emergency room. But make a doctor's appointment and go see them. If it is not serious you can always find a way to pay. Better safe than sorry.

People who are young and healthy and only go for broken bones and such, think they can tell other people about how to keep themselves healthy. What a luxury!!! Obviously you do not understand what it is like to be plagued with chronic health conditions or serious illness.

Cancer, for instance, needs to be detected early and may at first give few symptoms. If people took your advice they would not know they have it until the tumor is visible, at which point you're dead.

Why don't you let a doctor decide who belongs in the hospital?



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
This thread grabbed my attention.

I work as a radiologist and no matter what is posted about natural cures, spirituality, big-pharma, cutters, voodoo snake-oil spiritualists, Mom's home remedies and golf it remains central that the matter of access to the correct diagnosis, treatment and follow-up is beyond the scope of the uneducated in any given situation. Access to the correct choices is often the missing link in wellness.

The unique nature of each individual requires a unique response to disease challenge. I'm of the opinion there is no answer beyond the responsibility one takes for what one can access "if" a positive outcome is the the goal for self, family or other. Hypos are just a drain and a disease unto themselves and prevent others from access to the services they really do require. Murder by place-holder.

Nice post Firestar/Access Denied. I've got rads to deliver to a tweeny - it's never fair, never will be.


I have to agree with you. It's not just about educating about the body, but yes..about the correct diagnosis and treatment. As was pointed out, one symptom can be many things. The body only has so many ways of letting you know something is wrong. What just really burns my ass is that THERE IS a drain on the health care system, pretty much no matter where you live. Of course there are many factors behind that from our poor lifestyle choices, to doctor shortages. Why not let Naturopathics work side by side? Why not let patients be informed that they can choose another form of treatment?You are correct that each person is unique, and some may respond to treatments and others may not. There is not a such thing as a "Cure All".
Does cancer treatment just kill the cancer? I believe in many instances, it is the cause of killing the patient as well. I won't go into medical malpractice issues, or cases of accidental deaths in hospitals..for every few bad doctors I'm sure there is one really good one out there. In my experience I have yet to encounter that.
Obviously a doctor with a regular patient should realize if they are a hypochondriac, and in my opinion perhaps those patients should be dealt with differently. How that could be approached is unclear.

In response to CallMeMaury-
Here in Ontario we have a toll free number to call called Telehealth. It is staffed by registered nurses 24/7, and if you have a question and are unsure if you need an emergency room visit or a doctor's appointment, they can assist you with making that choice. It is a great service, that I have used once before when my son was very little.



posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by AccessDenied
Here in Ontario we have a toll free number to call called Telehealth. It is staffed by registered nurses 24/7, and if you have a question and are unsure if you need an emergency room visit or a doctor's appointment, they can assist you with making that choice. It is a great service, that I have used once before when my son was very little.


This is a great idea as well. Maybe more hospitals should have nurses or doctors on phone services. Maybe it can be a charged phone number too, that you pay a fee for every hour/minute. This would certainly save a lot of visits to the doctor, and clear up the hospitals for those that really need it like that woman that died on the floor in a waiting room the other day.



posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by ALLis0NE

Originally posted by AccessDenied
Here in Ontario we have a toll free number to call called Telehealth. It is staffed by registered nurses 24/7, and if you have a question and are unsure if you need an emergency room visit or a doctor's appointment, they can assist you with making that choice. It is a great service, that I have used once before when my son was very little.


This is a great idea as well. Maybe more hospitals should have nurses or doctors on phone services. Maybe it can be a charged phone number too, that you pay a fee for every hour/minute. This would certainly save a lot of visits to the doctor, and clear up the hospitals for those that really need it like that woman that died on the floor in a waiting room the other day.



The great thing about it, is that they DON"T charge for it. It frees up emergency rooms for those who really need it, (to a certain degree). If they were to start charging a fee, then people would just go to the ER where services are free. (Here, anyways.)



posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 01:12 PM
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Originally posted by Sonya610

Originally posted by tebyen
Stomach cramps, vomiting, slight fever, insomnia.


Can others guess? Did the pain subside when ya pushed on your abdomen? First guess is bad appendix.

Edit -- Second guess...if your brother was vomiting around the same time it could be spinal meningitis, which is pretty rare but does pop occasionally. I would question whether many gp's these days would catch it right off.


[edit on 2-7-2008 by Sonya610]


You're half right on mine. Acute appendicitis and severe peritonitis. I was in ICU for 4 days.

My brother's case was unique, and one I hadn't heard of before or sense. His stomach muscles grew together in such a way that it blocked anything from entering after it entered the esophagus. Food and liquids would go down, hit this wall, and come back up.




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