What happened to Denying Ignorance?

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posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 01:07 AM
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This year is the great and powerful presidential elections. This is when we finally get to 'voice our opinions' and 'make a difference'.

What we actually have is a rigged system where both sides are in it to win together. They win, we lose. I could go into detail as to why but I think that the reader, with a little insight and the search function, can figure this out for themselves.

I look unto this board and all I see is 'Obama is a racist socialist' or 'McSame is a Bush clone'. These could be true (I frankly do not care if they are or not) but this is completely missing the whole point of this board. The point is, they serve the same master.

I will say something about both candidates.
I respect McCain's service in the military, something I am doing currently. But I have no respect for what he has done since as a politician. He is not on our side. His economic policy is trash, and will not cut government spending.

Obama is inexperienced. I say this as a good thing. He has had less time to be messed up by the system. The problem is, he is easily influenced, and adopted the ways of the system quickly. He is the perfect stool pigeon for us to gawk at. He can speak volumes on a subject while not saying anything substantial, and at the same time, we like it.

The 'Decision 2008' forum is a forum that I see having great promise. I see it as a forum where instead of deciding between Obama and McCain, it is a place where people decide whether or not to be slaves to a Two party system, a system that has created more problems than solutions(both the Dems and the Reps).

I urge the reader, do not vote for one of these candidates. I myself and voting "no confidence" as a write-in. LINK




posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 03:00 AM
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Yeh, it does seem like you guys breed ignorance on here these days, rather than denying it as the motto says.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 03:35 AM
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In USA, regardless of what constitution is claiming, two of the most important requirements (unofficial, of course) for the president were always and still are: HE needs to be white and HE needs to be Christian (openly). This is not some kind of fiction, but a fact. Now, that is what I call ignorance...

How about we deny that one first ?



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:29 AM
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Originally posted by 5thElement
In USA, regardless of what constitution is claiming, two of the most important requirements (unofficial, of course) for the president were always and still are: HE needs to be white and HE needs to be Christian (openly). This is not some kind of fiction, but a fact. Now, that is what I call ignorance...

How about we deny that one first ?


Nice to see racism and religious intolerance is still alive and spewing poison to the masses.

I'm not debating you on your words because everyone except the KKK knows they are complete BS.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:50 AM
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I would like to see the American people standing in Washington and protesting the election. Signs of " NO CONFIDENCE ", letting the government know we want someone else for president.

I know! People are to busy working, watching their TV shows and gas prices are to high to drive to Washington to protest a no confidence election. All the no confidence votes written in will just disappear and not be counted or recognized as a vote. The media and the people need to see it live on TV and in person. That's why the people need to show up in Washington and show the world we want change and confidence in our leaders.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 11:01 AM
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What happened to Denying Ignorance?


It died, along with civility and decorum.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 11:04 AM
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hmm, i think your response is a little too gruff, being as how i believe he was being sarcastic

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In USA, regardless of what constitution is claiming, two of the most important requirements (unofficial, of course) for the president were always and still are: HE needs to be white and HE needs to be Christian (openly). This is not some kind of fiction, but a fact. Now, that is what I call ignorance...

How about we deny that one first ?


Emphasis on "now, thati s what i call ignorance"

and

"how about we deny that one first?"


seems like he's making a mockery of a racist system, not being racist himself......

i fail to see why you responded the way you did

[edit on -05:00America/Chicago1414060706143114 by Andrew E. Wiggin]



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 11:10 AM
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I am still here to deny ignorance!

That said, if I choose to write in no confidence doesn't that just automatically count me out?

Who then is my choice? I have never in all of my adult years been so depressed about who to vote for.

McCain will give us more nuclear facilities than currently exist on the earth, which makes America a huge target regardless of where or to what mega ton the bombs may be that strike us in the future.

And Obama is just scary to me because he refused to place his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance, and when I received a call from his headquarters for donations I asked about it VERY politely, wanting to be coddled and convinced it was a photo op mistake and the supervisor who came over to the telephone solicitor, simply said "Just hang up on her".

I want to deny ignorance, but I am worried and scared and confused for the first time in my life politically.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 11:12 AM
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I am still here to deny ignorance!

That said, if I choose to write in no confidence doesn't that just automatically count me out?

Who then is my choice? I have never in all of my adult years been so depressed about who to vote for.

McCain will give us more nuclear facilities than currently exist on the earth, which makes America a huge target regardless of where or to what mega ton the bombs may be that strike us in the future.

And Obama is just scary to me because he refused to place his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance, and when I received a call from his headquarters for donations I asked about it VERY politely, wanting to be coddled and convinced it was a photo op mistake and the supervisor who came over to the telephone solicitor, simply said "Just hang up on her".

I want to deny ignorance, but I am worried and scared and confused for the first time in my life politically.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 11:27 AM
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Well, there is the truth and there is the Truth. Most people seem to find what they believe is a Truth and then spend their whole time propping up that belief and protecting it from interference by any other Truth. When in reality, all they are protecting is their own ignorance. To many, denying ignorance is belittling any truth that opposes the truth that they enshrine. Anything that is an inconvenient truth to the contrary is discarded or ignored or shouted down. Many are confusing the Truth as it is with the truth as they know it. The facts don’t really matter and if you should dare to exhibit an unpleasant fact, you just get derided as a heretic (or worse).

This election is bringing all of this into the light and magnifying it, to all it’s terrible effect.
We’ve got two buck-toothed, cross-eyed, pimple-faced, whores vying for Beauty Queen. Their supporters are in the audience, throwing punches, trying to defend the honor of these Venuses, while never bothering to actually look at them in anything more than a dim light. Well, wait until the house-lights come on and then maybe both sides will get a real eyeful of what they voted for.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by antar
I am still here to deny ignorance!

That said, if I choose to write in no confidence doesn't that just automatically count me out?

Who then is my choice? I have never in all of my adult years been so depressed about who to vote for.

McCain will give us more nuclear facilities than currently exist on the earth, which makes America a huge target regardless of where or to what mega ton the bombs may be that strike us in the future.

And Obama is just scary to me because he refused to place his hand over his heart during the pledge of allegiance, and when I received a call from his headquarters for donations I asked about it VERY politely, wanting to be coddled and convinced it was a photo op mistake and the supervisor who came over to the telephone solicitor, simply said "Just hang up on her".

I want to deny ignorance, but I am worried and scared and confused for the first time in my life politically.




You were saying?

If you were referring to this picture:



It was actually the National Anthem that was being sung, for which you are supposed to stand, facing the flag! By that count everyone is guilty!

Sorry for de-railing this thread, but I have to react and deny ignorance when it comes up.

Here's a more comprehensive study on the matter:
thinkonthesethings.wordpress.com...

If you believe Obama is not a "patriot" and he refuses to pledge to American - You've been lied to, plain and simple. Deny ignorance!



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 12:02 PM
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Because I failed to see his post as a sarcastic reply. I took it at face value. If it wasn't such then I will apologize to him.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 12:17 PM
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even at face value:


"now that is what i call ignorance"

it still seems of sarcastic value to me


i believe you owe the man an apology.



I believe this very argument sort of answers the question labeled in the OP

what happened to denying ignorance?

It seems to have 1/2 read a post, lashed out by hitting the 'reply to' button before reading the entire thing, and made himself look silly in the process.

:shk:
just a thought



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 12:25 PM
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Well stop talking and start doing!!!!



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 12:29 PM
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Sorry, but I don't see it the way you do and I guess neither do the three people that starred my reply. And you could very well be right in this case, but I would like to hear it from the poster.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 12:30 PM
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Welcome to the NWO. You're right, it doesn't matter which puppet we elect, the plan is already in place. I've been saying this for a long time now. Both parties are the same side of the coin. We have the right to election, too bad we don't get a choice in the selection.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 06:51 PM
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This election is bringing all of this into the light and magnifying it, to all it’s terrible effect.
We’ve got two buck-toothed, cross-eyed, pimple-faced, whores vying for Beauty Queen. Their supporters are in the audience, throwing punches, trying to defend the honor of these Venuses, while never bothering to actually look at them in anything more than a dim light. Well, wait until the house-lights come on and then maybe both sides will get a real eyeful of what they voted for.


Well put.



It died, along with civility and decorum.


Wait... we had these? What?!



Well stop talking and start doing!!!!


hmmm..... talking is doing my friend. The more people know about this garbage two party system, the more likely we are to defend ourselves from its true motives. I am not sure if you are mocking the whole idea of talking about such issues or if you are seriously sick of people talking about it and actually have a plan of action in mind. In the latter case, stop whining and start talking.





I would like to see the American people standing in Washington and protesting the election. Signs of " NO CONFIDENCE ", letting the government know we want someone else for president.


I am doing on the streets of Columbus. It's me and a few of my friends who have come to the dark side. I want something big, but it has to start somewhere. I have a few active friends in the Libertarian Party here and I hope to get their support as well, also the Greens and any other voiceless 3rd Party. I am optimistic this election season. We have ticked off Conservatives who don't like either candidate (they are more likely to listen), and a few adamant Hillary supporters who detest Obama.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:57 PM
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No offense Dinstaar but I have to take issue with your hypothesis; that those who don't agree with you and believe that the American election system is rigged are ignorant or embracing ignorance.

Every now and then, here on ATS, I see posts like yours which claim that their world view on a particular subject is the absolute truth, and question how anyone could believe otherwise.

But what you and the other authors of similar threads seem to forget is that many, if not all, of the major subjects presented on ATS are subjective and short of absolute, definitive proof that one side or the other is correct, different views of those subjects can be equally valid.

I will however second the calls for a little more civility, decorum, and open, honest debate and a little less of finger pointing and calls of "Your Ignorant!!"

Just my 2 cents,

-Cypher



posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 01:21 AM
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Great thread and a very good point. This election is the worst one yet. I was expecting a bloodbath and all we get is cooperation between the candidates.

I guess the issue is that the sheep would rather stay in the pen where they know when they eat and who is in charge rather than break free and have the world open to them.

It's hopeless though, I don't think anyone realizes how much effort some of us have put into being informed and no longer a tool of the matrix. For some of us it was a gradual process that took years of dedication and study. We are only free of the illusion because we have greatly desired to be so. I'm afraid that desire does not exist in the majority.



posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 05:48 AM
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What we can hope for is... Obama winning while seemingly being taken deeper into the dark side... then when the elite are confident that they're new pawn is in place, he goes against the system with Ron Paul secretly by his side, and changes America back to what it's supposed to be.

Sigh...






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