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reply posted on 2-7-2008 @ 10:55 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by schrodingers dog


I use food coupons and ride my bicycle everywear. For Entertainment I watch Hell's Kitchen on TV.
Don't Worry Be Happy: lol:


reply posted on 2-7-2008 @ 10:58 AM by devareous
I live in arkansas usa, and ya the same situation is going on here jobs are scarce and ur lucky to find one,Bills are just crazy,i think freedom is not haveing to pay for electricity, or food.But thats not come to the world yet.I belive there are free energy device already used in many goverment instalition,as well as dear i say it food replicators???
But for the common man there is no such thing,blam the oil and energy lobbyist,if we had the things that are realy needed the big wig money people would stop it at all cost,there plan is to hold any free energy or means of food till they have bleed us all dry and theres nothing left to get.hell Tesla was working on free energy almost 100 years ago.And he pretty well had it figured out.So im sure the "elite" have it worked out.How u think they power all those underground places lol
So my advice to anyone is to learn a few realy important thing.
1# learn how to grow food, if your in a city learn how to make contianer gardens,they food u will be eatting will be better then what u buy at a store i promise.
2# Learn what u REALY dont need, i dont have cable,but i do have teh digital converter so i get 5 free channles to wathc the news and mabey House,cuse i like doctor shows lol.
3#I done away with central air and heating,have 3 small window units and only use wichever room im in at a time, never have all them going whats the poing of cooling a room im not in.
4# if u dont HAVE to go anywhere and use gas then dont.And if u do have to drive alot buy a itsy bitsy mazda or some 4 cylinder that gett good gas milage.Haveing some cash in your pocket is way more important then looking cool in a gas guzzling hotrod.
5# learn from the people that where here long ago, indains...
we are here cuse people knew how to survive without any of the stuff we have today.So its tried and true,Live off teh land if u can.Help people if u can.and dont buy into the consumer ideal that so heavly pushed at this age of humans.


reply posted on 2-7-2008 @ 11:26 AM by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by amatrine



Amatrine, I feel your pain.

I am still employed at 40 hours a week thank God, but I work for
the cable tv industry and am just waiting for the days
when cable is considered a luxury that people can do without.

For the hard times, My wife was just involved in a serious
auto accident that totaled the one car we did have.
The other driver had a brand new suv, and got out saying
"I thought that light was green", with a blackberry headset
implanted in her ear like the Borg from Star Trek.
She is ok for the most part except for a 2nd degree chemical burn
across her left leg and her left foot keeps swelling for some
mysterious unknown reason.
Medical claim is taking care of the doctors visits, I'm hopeful
that we will catch a break and there will be some amount left
for us when it is all over.
Insurance settlement was for $2700, and with that we
bought a 91 camry with 150,000 on it.
Great little car so far, but between buying the car for $1500 and
catching bills up, buying a few weeks of food and stocking up
on some prep supplies (she let me buy a taurus pt92 and ammo)
there is nothing left now.
With the amount of miles on the car i am fearful of the day the
transmission drops out and we have to beg rides from family for 2 or 3 months while we save for a new transmission or whatever else happens.
We could not have bought a car that would have had a payment attached to it, with my pay I could not afford it.
She does not work.

We have been trying over the last year to build up some preps but it
is a difficult goal to work towards with daily life getting more expensive than the week before.

The firearms that I do own seem more like they are a tool for pawn instead of defense, they are in pawn at least half of every month when we may be short for picking up medicine or a little short on a bill.

On a positive note I have been learning the best places to buy prep supplies very cheaply, for example we go to local auctions to look, and scored not to long ago 2 igloo 9 gallon worksite coolers and a propane camp stove for $16.
Another good place to go is yard sales.


reply posted on 2-7-2008 @ 12:05 PM by Z.S.P.V.G.
i am a free agent. no kids. no debt. i work from home so i hardly drive. i live in a town where you can ride/walk everywhere. i'm not feeling the heat so much. i must admit that i resent the way the average american family is portrayed in the media. as this portrayal is partially true, the american family deserves the punishment.

thought it is not all your fault. you were convinced by snake-oil men. very, very convincing were they. the best salesmen there have ever been. asymmetrical, multidimensional selling 24/7/365.

---yet even through you are getting what you paid for, and sort of deserve it, i feel for you people with kids and commutes and debt, i can't imagine the pressure..... you who bought into the fraudulent thought meme called 'The American Dream.' but somehow i never bought into it. as i said, a convincing fuking sell. but i've always known about the flim-flam nature of this 'dream.' (for the record, the term 'American Dream' kinda gives it all away up front, don't ya think?)

the truth?

the economic expansion that started in 1946 is ending. hardly any of us know a life without expansion and economic hope.

solution?

tribal living, not just communal. we need to have an 'Archaic Revival'. the Old Gods must rise in us once again to help us destroy the 'fake plastic tree' world. fires must burn. chaos must rule. B/C the Kosmik Jihad has come to earth and Babylon is comin' down......

but----

living through the transition into this new world is gonna be crazy. we should plan a forward escape into the future. just forget about the past and present. full speed ahead!!

remember, it's all a dream.......


reply posted on 2-7-2008 @ 12:38 PM by Tynee
gee, for maybe the first time in my life i dont feel like a weirdo, or an eccentric:

i have pinched pennies since i was a kid. still do.

my 6-month supplies of disposable contact lenses are stretched out to almost two years.

i have a small, american made car (money kept in this country), the quality of which is as good as any (2001 saturn). i live 2 miles from work. gas expenses, even at $4, is a minute concern. i would bike to work a couple of days a week, but my office building has no locker facilities (sucks to come to the office all sweaty).

i use old clothes for workouts or any physical exercise where i will get sweaty. yes, im the guy w/ the ugly Miller Lite '95 shirt on the tennis court.

i still rent-- a priv bathroom and a bedroom in someones townhome. i have a small amount of storage in his garage. there is no need for me to buy a house (and pay for maintenance, property taxes, and repairs), since i can make do with this living arrangement.

i put approximately $900 a month into a savings account (which is close to $19,000). in a few months, i will reduce that and start beefing up my Roth and other investments.

currently, im preparing for an engineering licensing exam that would promise better income.

i will never have children, because i dont think id be a good father, and i feel if there is a "purpose" for everyone and everything, mine is not to have kids.

i will probably be hated here, but im just offering a different perspective. the "crises" are not affecting me. i learned when i was a teenager to live not within my means, but below my means, and in doing so i created a safety buffer of savings. ive never borrowed anything from my parents or friends.

as for home prices-- excellent! when i want to buy a modest, reasonably sized home in a couple of years, prices may be more realistic, and not over-inflated thanks to people's greed. let them continue to fall.


reply posted on 2-7-2008 @ 12:42 PM by nixie_nox
People here have brought up communal living several times.

I have had friends and coworkers from other countries tell me how odd they find our lifestyle, because we insist on isolating ourselves so much.

We insist everyone lives in their own home, and your a failure if you don't.
If your over 25 and living with a parent, your a reject.

They feel we make things 100 X harder on ourselves for this. They live with their families. Everyone works and lives together. All the mothers raise children together.

And I see what they are saying.

I do believe that it has been unhealthy for us. Very unhealthy. now wonder we all spend like crazy and are medicated, we are all very very lonely.

We even take newborn babies, who don't even know for another year and half that they are a seperate being from us, and stick them in a room by themselves for 12 hours.

And these folks don't just do it for economic reasons. One coworker was wealthy. Her husband is a peace diplomat and even got a full time nanny and her children's education for free.

Instead she had her sisters move here and they watch her children. She couldn't see anyone but family raising her kids.

My ILs own a duplex of sorts. My husband and I rent the other apt. My ILs even catch heat for that.Their friends insist we should be in a seperate place. My ILs are like why? We see our children every day. I get to watch my grandchild grow up.

My MIL and my son adore each other. Every morning he has breakfast with her before daycare.They sorely miss each other if they don't do it.

Because he is surrounded by so much family, he is the happiest, most empathtic, social child you have ever met. his speech levels are incredible because he always has several adults interacting with him.

I see so many kids who are lucky if they see more then one caring adult at a time. And they look like lumps to me, even sad.

My job takes me to interact with a lot of people. I just spoke to one mother who left a co-operative. I asked her how it was, and she said it was wonderful. It was effecient, it is like one big family. (they had to leave for job reasons)

I would love to live in a co-operative.

I think the time is coming where we need to change our social structure. Live together as communities again and help each other out. Till recently, my MIL helped take care of my son, and I helped her with her aging and now deceased mother.

Now, if we insisted on being seperate, my son and her mother would have been in daycare, an institutional setting, that we would of had to shell out big bucks for.
Instead they both reap the benefits of having family there. My GMIL got to die with the ones she loved, instead of a hospital bed somewhere.

We have become so isolated we don't even know how to talk to another human being. We don't know how to chat with our neighbor.

My part time job at a local health department receives nuisance complaints. So many people just call on their neighbors over stupid stuff. To get them to think,I always start off the with the same question:

"Have you talked to your neighbor about it?"

I usually get a mumbled no.

But this has given some the initiative to talk to their neighbors about it, and it is usually met with no problems, and the nuisance neighbor is usually like"sorry, will take care of it!"and they do.


My favorite is when someone complains about the 5x5 patch of grass that is overgrown next door. Would it kill you to swing your mower over and cut it.
The best is when they complain about tall grass on the yard of a 90 y.o. widow on social security.

Get your neighbors together,help the old lady out and take turns cutting it. You get exercise, it solves the problem.

Granted there are some whackos, but they are rare, and you can tell who they are.



Now the big question here is:

How do we change American pride, isolationist mentality and get people to become community members again?


reply posted on 2-7-2008 @ 12:54 PM by Dearg
reply to post by Z.S.P.V.G.



I've got to confess to feeling some resentment reading your comments here.

In a certain light, I can see how having kids is my fault.
However, they are a treasure I wouldn't trade for the world; I mean that literally. How on earth does a family deserve to see financial ruin?! You're not feeling the pains the rest of us are, you said it yourself. There's a growing number of people working from home and businesses are investing a lot of money to make that possible for more and more of us. But for a much larger number of us, the daily commute still exists.

Now don't think I defend everything I see people doing. In my personal opinion, the average American citizen is overweight, overfed and under enthused about the good things they've got. We have generations of people who want things handed to them, and now that they've got to take action they're screaming about it. That doesn't mean they deserve to lose the things they worked for, it means they have to wake up and take charge of their lives.

The American Dream is an unattainable ideal, something to shoot for. If you want this, work for it and you can have anything if you're willing enough. I'm not talking two cars in every garage, I mean a kid whose family has never seen a college grad in their history. Should his poverty prevent him from doing what he wants? Absolutely not. This is a place where if you commit yourself you can leave the dangerous neighborhood from yesteryear behind and raise your own family in a safer place. Where you can literally accomplish whatever you want, given you just don't quit.

No one feeling the worst effects of this problem deserves this... those that do are too rich for the effects to truly strike them.


reply posted on 2-7-2008 @ 01:32 PM by kidflash2008
reply to post by nixie_nox



What a wonderful statement! I had a friend in the military who said as soon as her child turned 18, he would have to leave home. I made a comment about children in Europe living with their parents until they got married and she looked at me like I was crazy. I do have family near me, and my mother and I go out shopping and to lunch once a month. I treasure that time and am thankful I still can manage to live on my own. I would of preferred it if I had not gotten sick and was able to work and buy my own house, but it doesn't always work that way. Good luck and God speed to those who need it.


reply posted on 2-7-2008 @ 01:41 PM by ALightinDarkness
I know ATS members absolutely despise anyone who doesn't have a sob story and talk about how horrible they have it - and I realize I'm going to get ripped to shreds for not being a doom and gloomer (as usual) but here goes:

I'm doing just fine. I am a PhD student and I work two part time government consulting jobs as a independent contractor, and go to class in the evening. The money is great, since its part time I don't have benefits but contracting rates are so high I can pay for them out of pocket.

Gas prices went up, and I cut off my cable and went from high speed to dial up internet. Problem solved. Food prices went up, and I started clipping coupons and substituting foods for less expensive ones. Problem solved. Rent prices went up, and I took on my second 20 hour a week job (50 hours a week total working - not that much, but I do got school as well - its about 80 hours a week in the summer). Problem solved. Investments went down, I diversified my portfolio internationally and got out of sectors where I was heavily concentrated. Problem solved. I do not live luxuriously, but I live in a safe, small, and clean apartment that fits all my needs. But then again, I always have - even during times of economic excess.

All around me, people are doing fine and doing what they have always done - adjusted to the economy. If they can't afford a $50,000 car, they buy a $20,000 car, etc. When I do some charity work on the weekends, there has been no unusual surge in people looking for help. The food bank has had to switch from name brands to generic brands, that is about it.

I know, I know, not depressing doom and gloom - which is what ATS wants to hear. Oh well.

[edit on 2-7-2008 by ALightinDarkness]
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