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Originally posted by Evisscerator
reply to post by Animal
The problem with your arguement is that the founding fathers already had some history with the Crown of England in that they were never allowed to own weapons or protect their property and families. The 2nd Amendment is a RIGHT given by GOD and PROTECTED by MAN's SELF GOVERNANCE.
For those of YOU who don't agree in defending one's self and property, DON'T bother calling 911 when your home is broken in to, your wife or kids are raped or killed and you're sniveling like a 2 yr old under the stairs.
Those of us who would protect ourselves and our families and our property have the RIGHT to do so. Suggest you do the same and BE A MAN !!!
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
America has a morbid fascination with guns and violence and has yet again sunk to a new low. Back shot killing is flippantly applauded as an appropriate sentence simply for stealing. I wonder if you should now shoot current thieves sitting in your over crowded prisons, there for similar offenses . What is the current value of live in America? a TV and broken window. In America life has become cheap reminded me of a third world country with vigilantes justices
America tells the rest of the world how to be democratic and to trust in honest justice, yet killing people with a shot in the back is concidered fair punishment for minor property theft, even if you do not own the property in peril.
Who said? "Let the punishment fit the crime."
Shame on America!
I think that immigrant used in ugly reference was suggested more than once and wonder if America feels that these are not humans so have no feelings or families who love them
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
Fact, he was ordered by police not to go out.
Fact, he was ordered not to shoot living people.
The truth is he should have done what he was told...
Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
reply to post by Blitzkreigen
Mr. or Ms Blitzkreigen;
THATS SIR TO YOU Smart Ass ▒ ! Dont Play Freakin Stupid. Its Not winning you any favor.
I think your frustration with crime has colored your acceptance for what constitutes proper justice.
Frustrated with crime....... hummmm... let me think about that........ WHY would I be FRUSTRATED with CRIME?
It's Harmless right.. its Just My property, My home, My neighborhood, My Family potentially coming home in the progress of the burgularly.... all those things are really unimportant to me.....
Yeah right..... Lets bake cookies and show 'em where the safe is, and Pray to God For their souls, and forgive them. Why not write em a check while your at it.
Proper Justice? Thats in the eye of the one that gets robbed.
Proper Justice failed us years ago. It no longer works. Its simply a threat to keep the "not so bad" ones from turning "all bad".
There is NO FEAR anymore of the Justice System, and NOW in my City you get 4 for 1. Meaning If you get 4 years, you will be out in 1 MAX, but probably 4 months with good behavior and Probation ( 90 % of the time ). Then they do it again, till they get caught again, or SHOT.
I personally know guys who look at it as "three hots and a cot", and they know where they are going, how long they will be there and 'what' they can bring in. How comissary works, and where to have your 'partners' go to add money to you account. THEY EAT BETTER IN JAIL than they do DAILY.
They also get a shower, and thats MORE than what a lot of them HAVE every day. Jail is a PAID VACATION to them. Dont get me started with Crooked Lawyers either, OR JUDGES.
Most prefer to SIT IT OUT, and not pay any FINES. Time served adds up real quick, especially if the Jail is overcrowded and the Judge has to let a bunch out EARLY. Hapens EVERY WEEK here. Usually about 2:00 AM. If they LIKE you, you get a Solitary Cell, Phone Calls and Showers when you want them, not to mention getting to chat it up all day with the FEMALE GUARDS! Yes thats PUNISHMENT !
I have in no way suggest criminals should be spoon fed or allowed to escape justice but because I do not agree with shooting someone in the back at the home of a friend is no reason to suggest I do not agree with punishment.
I'd rather keep em for a while and show they the error of their ways in a Biblical Way. Unfortunately, I'LL GET SUED and be arrested for KIDNAPPING. If the perp hurts himself IN MY HOUSE, he can SUE ME for everything I Own and WILL OWN for the next 30 YEARS!
IS THAT WHAT YOU CALL JUSTICE?
I'm not hesitating ONE SPLIT SECOND to take a SHOT. Tough Sheit for the Perp, and he is STILL lucky he is not getting Bayonetted. I dont Give a Good God Damn% where I hit him.
Should shop owners shoot kids stealing candy, should we alow other shoppers to do for them if they do not see it? I envision an America where 12 years old get shot in the back for home invasions or stealing toys from WalMart by the guy next door or employees and this is considered fair justice.
I'm not asking for ID if someone tries a HOME INVASION. You go right ahead.
Maybe their parents should be held accountable for NOT RAISING THEM RIGHT! Not MY Problem. I have no mandate to FIX them, and No Power to do so. I WAS RAISED RIGHT. WHY WERENT THEY?
If its MY CANDY..... Hell YES. That Means it was in MY Control, and it just as easily could have been the BOX OF CASH that I keep in a CANDY BOX.
I also keep my valuables in the COOKIE JAR.
How about cutting off of some limbs like in the Middle East, how does that sound to you?.
Sounds like it WORKED. Kinda Hard to Steal With No Hands, after Getting caught TWICE. I wonder what the Theft rate is in the Middle East where this is going on? Two strikes and your OUT? Whats the problem?
Sorry your attitude is tainted to the point that you could live with the shame and guilt of shooting another human being for minor property theft.
NO THEFT IS MINOR TO ME, especially MY STUFF or My NEIGHBORS STUFF.
I SHOULD HAVE SHAME? AND GUILT? FOR DFEFENDING MY PROPERTY?
You need Bitch Slapped.
I am not religious but “Thou Shalt not kill” ring a bell or even “Eye for an Eye” but death for a broken window and consumer goods is outrageously lopsided.
If everyone lived by the Words of the Bible, we would not be having this conversation now would we?
I never Missed a SUNDAY for 16 YEARS straight. SO WHAT? I dont force my beliefs on others, and if they choose another path, then thats THEIR choice, along with their concequences. I cant control THIER beliefs and Actions, BUT when THEY INTENTIONALLY CROSS MINE... there are consequences to be PAID that just go without saying. AM I NOT ENTITLED TO MY BELIEFS NOW TOO?
Letting that man off with killing was shocking an based on emotional perceptions with crime an frustration with the elected authorities who cant keep them safe or the boarder secure, it had little to do with the law. Reminded me of OJ some how it turned around that OJ was not on trial but racism was.
Well If OJ tried that in my Neighborhood, there would "not have been" a trial.
They didnt LET THE MAN OFF... HE BROKE NO LAWS TO BE CHARGED WITH. What Part of that do you not want to admit to? HE BROKE NO LAWS BUCKO!
Crime should fit the punishment if not what does that suggest for the future of a country that values replaceable property over a human life or the legal system.
Yes, you are EXACTLY right CRIME SHOULD FIT THE PUNISHMENT.
I'm ready to END CRIME. I've asked Nicely and they are not listening to me. Ohh Well I tried. Now its time to say it a bit louder.
I Value MY SECURITY and MY FAMILY and MY NEIGHBORHOOD WAY MORE THAN PROPERTY. Thats really whats being DEFENDED, the Propery was just a "Path" for them to Rationalize the risk and evil of their deeds.
They ALWAYS COME BACK after a BURGLARY, to the same NEIGHBORHOOD.
I stop them across the street, they wont be back to my yard either when My Daughter gets home from school alone, or even while walking home.
YOUR NEXT, you know. Better Stand Up while you can.
[edit on 5-7-2008 by Blitzkreigen]