We know they are here, we know who they are. The counterintelligence ATS committee is already hard at work triangulating their positions and getting background information for use against them.

Now in all seriousness, its more than obvious that certain members are in fact working directly with the government in order to read, and misguide members in a variety of ways. We have those that spew the government line about nearly every single conspiracy that goes down the board.

As far as observation, no account is needed in order to view any topic on ATS except for RATS.

And of course there are law enforcement officers here on ATS, one of them is a good friend of mine on here. He makes the most killer avatars too.

(dang you for making me edit my post twice!!)

Is it right to say the things you say within the bounds of ATS?

Absolutely...

Are you practicing Freedom of Speech?

I'm not, not practicing freedom of speech

Or are you in fact practicing Treasonous Actions, which you can be tried for War Crimes over?

I guarantee that will be the funniest treason trial in world history!


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An interesting thought there.

Is it right to say the things you say within the bounds of ATS?

Yes, I believe in the concept and execution of Freedom of speech. Of course within certain limitations such as Yelling Fire in a crowded theater not being a protected example of free speech.

Are you practicing Freedom of Speech?

Whenever possible. I however endeavor to exercise my own form of judgement. (Politeness factors, whether the reply is on topic and of course control of emotional statements.)

Or are you in fact practicing Treasonous Actions, which you can be tried for War Crimes over?

"I stand by my statements that I post in this forum"

(Edited to correct misunderstanding of the gist of this thread) My oops.


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I'm sorry, but I am still confused as to why this is in the new forum. It doesn't really fit the forum purpose at the top of the page. I think the ethics question is a stetch. I think this belongs in the Board Questions or Skunk works Forum. No offense.

[edit on 30/6/2008 by kosmicjack]

Originally posted by kosmicjack
I'm sorry, but I am still confused as to why this is in the new forum. It doesn't really fit the forum purpose at the top of the page. I think the ethics question is a stetch. I think this belongs in the Board Questions or Skunk works Forum. No offense.

[edit on 30/6/2008 by kosmicjack]

While I respect your opinion, I have to wholeheartedly disagree with you.

This new AboveTopSecret.com forum is for the discussion of a wide range of non-religous topics: Consciousness, Mind, Epistemology, Psychology, Philosophy, Metaphysics, Self-Empowerment, Knowledge and also fringe subjects such as Mind-Control and Psychotronic Manipulation. All in all this will be an \"intellectual & philosophical cafe\" with a focus on everything from mental relaxing and non-religious personal balance, to conspiracies and speculation related to influencing the mind.

It is a philosophical look into whether what we on ATS are doing is the right thing, or the wrong thing, in whether we are in fact practicing Freedom of Speech, or Treason.

Knowledge and speculation is what ATS is all about, another forum description, being Knowledge, as well as Self-Empowerment makes this the perfect forum area to post this in.


[edit on 30-6-2008 by SpartanKingLeonidas]

I just kind of thought that discussions in this Forum were meant to be a bit more elevated than: "ATS postings and chat - Right? Wrong? Discuss."

In answer to your query, IMO, it's free speech - not treason - so by all means enjoy your discussion.

Originally posted by kosmicjack
I just kind of thought that discussions in this Forum were meant to be a bit more elevated than: "ATS postings and chat - Right? Wrong? Discuss."

In answer to your query, IMO, it's free speech - not treason - so by all means enjoy your discussion.

Thanks for the replies. I edited the title to better fit the nature of this Forum Area.

I can see your point as well as the one I was making too.

I'm not quite getting you here. Why would dissenting against a government which was founded on the right to dissent be treasonous?

I mean... I get it, that doesn't matter anymore... but is it treasonous to you? Is that what you are saying? Because if you are saying that we should just lay down and shut up because we could be tried for war crimes for speaking out against oppression of the human spirit and the destruction of Earth by corporate parasites.... I say bring the dirty rotten piece of crap pansy ass government tools on! Let's start this thing here and now, you government drones!

I mean... that's just me personally. I've got nothing to lose. Neither do you, in the end.

As clearly these days the Constitution is under assault, interpretation depends on who's reading what I'm typing.

By one definition I am a patriot, a freedom fighter, dissident or - by the other - I am an insurgent, enemy combatant, traiter...fill in the blank.

I guess it all depends on how the CorpGov spins it in my military tribunal.

Oh okay.

Well, then yes they could toss you in the gulag or put a bullet in your head for treasonous acts.

Should we be concerned here on ATS? We should be aware, but if we are to be intimidated by these goons, and it becomes more than just posting on a board, and these goons come a knockin', we should lock and load and get ready to defend our families from a treasonous government.

I'm not advocating violence... but this may require more than hippie love.

We can make peace after these miscreants are dealt with. This isn't their reality.

Well, so far a lot of interesting replies.

Do I think the Government is interested what I have to say here on ATS?

No clue.

Do I care?

Not one bit.

Why?

I stopped caring when the Government got out of control of the people it is supposed to protect, even from the Government itself.

Hmmmm. I was rather distraught to see a suggestion that any spook who might be here would be "doing his job," as if that is mundane and not a very high likelihood of efforts to spread disinfo, assassinate character, confuse perspectives and otherwise performing a negative function.

But frankly... The likelihood is that their role is to do just those negative things, pooh-poohing truth if it is preferred that it be hidden, making veiled ad hom and otherwise denigrating a truth poster in the event that the truth is something they want hidden, and so on.

The idea that they are honestly tracking an actual threat to the people (and not their Elite evil plans) would be laughable if the whole dam' thing wasn't so serious.

So I say as long as we speak from human heart, and bring all truth as we might have access, we are doing the right thing. And to the nether reaches of a skunk's bowels for any who prowl here with a different agenda.

[edit on 6/30/2008 by Amaterasu]

Is it right to say the things you say within the bounds of ATS?


~As long as the ATS staffers are fine w/ what I say, I am fine as well~


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Are you practicing Freedom of Speech?


~Anytime I open my mouth to say something or write something down, I am exercising Freedom of Speech~



Or are you in fact practicing Treasonous Actions, which you can be tried for War Crimes over?


~No, but if someone were, would they say so? And if they did, I wouldn't think that person very smart for saying so... just saying, I would think the answers to this question will either be the same or avoided altogether~

It is good that they are here and watching, because it says that we are on to something and trains us to dissect posts and thoughts to reveal the truth and the core. They are watching but, currently, cannot stop us from sharing our ideas/information.

We will constantly be tested in the future, assuringly to a higher, more persistent degree than even now, so I am glad for the practice to dance around these undercover folks. Welcome to ATS ya'll!

Here we have a very interesting aspect of topic discussion and where it can lead.In the view of our civilization and where it goes and who is leading it and what is the conduct of a criminal.I would say yes in many ways what we are doing here would be considered in many persons views to be treasonous.

We have to look at it from the viewpoint of what we are doing here and what is our agenda.

One would have to first look at the variables of a treasonous act,and weigh th possibilities of whether ones thoughts are of such. When it comes down to it basically treason is discerned from the act of going against ones government for personal gain or under personal agenda.

When ones views do not coincide within the boundaries of that persons governments.One could be considered treasonous.Alot of this i guess depends on that persons actions or how would you say their level of visual or audible protests against the governing party.

Now going back and flipping this coin,if we have the thought or ideal that a government is starting to become more destructive to their country then constructive,there should be a manner of which the people can stand up and rectify the problem.

So when it comes to many points of discussion about the american and worldly politics on this forum yes one could say there are treasonous acts at hand,but one must also ask on what side of the line are people in question?


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