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You want to know why?
It's because no one got up on a damn stage and said "Iraq! You are Free!" and started handing out guns.
Originally posted by whaaa
Why aren't you in Afghanistan?
You seem more than willing for American boys and girls to fight and die there. And In other parts of the world.
You also seem to think that Americans should be willing to spend their hard earned taxdollars on foreign intervention.
I think that you are ideologically challenged
and need to put in your military time as I did, and perhaps get a little real life experience.
Instead of this academic BS you profess.
Comfy keyboard warriors....
Perhaps "A time for YOUR choosing" eh.
Originally posted by dunwichwitch
But those times have been coming to a close, and they are ending now.
We are waking up to something more than self and material gain and capitalism and consumerism and national pride... and the old bullcrap isn't cutting it anymore because it was all a lie to begin with.
Memories of blissful ignorance may be pleasant and warm sometimes, but they are just memories.
Our world is at stake here... and we have barely enough time to save it
America is nothing like it once was
I can't believe we're still trying to pretend like all of this sterile pre-packaged pre-determined living is what anybody had originally had in mind when revolting against the crown.
how can we pretend like we're 100 percent certain that our history buffs aren't painting a bit of gloss on a dull and much less romantic view of the motivations behind the formation of the USA?
We don't know much about anything, and not only are we dumbed down to the point of madness
but we're being severely domesticated to the point where people rarely ever go out anymore unless it's to get drunk or laid
and everything our daily monotonous lives are about right now are based on shallow greed and hollow fears...
What if I don't want to buy or see your product?
Do I even have a choice?
What if I don't wanna work my life away?
What if I don't want the state or some snobby eletist school to educate me or my (nonexistent) kids on their narrow yet arrogantly over-confident view of my world?
What if I just want to be LEFT ALONE to do and interact with the world as I see fit?
America is the people, not the government. Love the people, but only tolerate the government as long as you can directly influence the direction it goes.
Our whole country was always and still is based on hypocrisy.
Originally posted by Cool Hand Luke
Surely when America declared its independence, a new kind of democracy emerged that was unique to the world at that time.
Originally posted by gate13
reply to post by Cool Hand Luke
not to be rude to the OP bc i admire his patriotism towards his country.
IRAQ pre war was one of the most stable countrys in the middle east world.
Good education, decent health care system compare to other countrys steady economicly.
democracy has no place in those countrys and it hasnt for 1000's of years it is there culture the way they live and no one should try and change it bc it will not work.
America came in and turnd it into ruble , FOR WAT EXACTLY? Weapons of mass destruction? or OIL?
if america want to do good why not step in and stop the crisis the people of zimbabwe are facing? WHY? bc there is no benefit? NO OIL? nothing to gain?
if the power houses of this world were so good there wouldnt be poverty in alot of countrys. there wouldnt be not one starving kid in african countrys let alone there own.
like i said im not here to bag you or america but i will totaly disagree with such a statement.
Originally posted by Oceanborn
The war in Iraq didn't start for some nuclear weapons who actually weren't there?Then it turned out to be a fight for the freedom of iraqi people...
These days i see topics in ATS that Iran could use some "freedom" too...
I only posted a few words and i allready know that i'm gonna be flamed with a polite,or not,way.
It's the reason why i avoid to post in topics like this,cause the big majority of the US people still believe that are fighting for a right cause etc...
I gotta say a big bravo though to those few people who are trying to stop the killings not just for their troops but also for the innocent ones who die for no reason.It takes balls to admit the errors of your own country and take actions against it. (i'm talking about the protests)
Originally posted by Rasputin13
reply to post by Cool Hand Luke
Your post provided a welcome break from the rampant anti-America, anti-Bush threads that are littered throughout this board.
It seems so many people on here are willing to accept any source and remove any doubt so long as it paints America and our President in a negative light. Al Qaida could put out a press release about American soldiers eating Iraqi babies, and people on here would start a thread about it as if it came from the Associated Press and was actually true.
The motto of this site is to "deny ignorance", but so many here set that motto aside when it comes to justifying their unfounded hatred of our President and the policies of this nation.
The truth is that no country in the history of mankind has given more of its lives, shed more of its blood, and spent more of its riches to free and defend MILLIONS of innocent people around the world. And the world is a better place because of the United States and our brave men and women in uniform.
But you wouldn't know that from surfing the boards here on ATS. You would think that the US government is akin to North Korea's, and that President Bush is Satan in the flesh.
It speaks volumes when someone from another country, someone who is actually fair and objective, can appreciate what's great about this nation.
No one is saying that America is perfect, or that George Bush is George Washington.
We've made our mistakes in the past and we will continue to make mistakes in the future. That's just part of being human beings. But when you weigh the good that this country has done against the bad, we certainly come out way ahead.
Once again, great post. Please keep them coming! God Bless America, and God Bless Canada!!!