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posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 02:14 PM
One has to ask who has paid for this professionally put together and very sophisticated yet transparently propagandising website. Only dedicated neoconservatives with a political agenda of trying to prevent the truth of the events of 9/11 being exposed would go to such great lengths as producing such an obvious propaganda website. One can only assume that those seeking the truth must be on to something for the neocons to put this much effort into trying to prevent the truth from being revealed.

debunking9/ is a very sophisticated, extensive and professionally put together website that clearly has had a lot of expensive expertise poured into it. It goes to extraordinary lengths to attempt to debunk the evidence that has presented itself on the internet over the last seven years as an alternative to the US government’s version of the events of 9/11, but – and this is where the site gives itself away – it doesn’t attempt to debunk just some aspects of the new evidence that has been presented, but it tries to debunk every bit of it. It is that characteristic that defines it as a propaganda site rather than a site that is scientifically objective with its arguments.

I have to wonder, if the TRUE, Truth movement is that close to solveing 911.

That We are that close to the truth.

I went to the web site, I couldnt believe the poison the out right lies.

Alot of people are being mislead about 911.
And alot of people believe this garbage.

I was always wondering, even on ATS, where these angy Government suporters of 911 were getting there information from, Now I know!

I also have to wonder, if they are paid good money to come on ATS to railroad our threads.

I even had a few run-ins with some.

My questions is what, how do we deal with these people that want to make the truth movement look insan or crazy or even liers?

[Mod Edit - removed all caps from tittle] Please Review: The use of All Caps

[edit on 30/6/2008 by Sauron]

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 03:57 PM
You will learn with some ivestigation that the same people who brought you debunk911 and the popular mechanics hit piece was based on the pseudo-skeptic work from the same people who brought you missile pods , fuel tankers, holograms, tv fakery, loose change.

Months before the Popular Mechanics debunking 911, 'certain sites who push the missile pod disinfo also worked hard to develope 4 threads that were easily debunked. Missile pods, windowless Fuel tankers, Targeting lasers, and Flight 93 shot down. Truthers easily debunked the threads only to have their threads erased and accounts closed.

It was evident through inside sources and basic researching that popular mechanincs and the fake truther site worked together. In the popular mechanics article they refrenced as the truthers flagship while exploiting stupid theories that the truth movment NEVER embraced.

Basic disinformation traits. Straw man tactics.

Please read Pod People hijack the 9/11 truth movement
[edit on 30-6-2008 by IvanZana]

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[edit on 30-6-2008 by IvanZana]

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 04:17 PM
I saw all this as someone who has grown up in the post-JFK era, and would actually the claims of the 'truth movement' to be true. I was at first very taken by the 'official story,' but my mind was eventually opened to the possibility that a darker scenario had been played out. Now I find myself much more sympathetic to the 'official story' than ever before, although I don't find it hard to believe that Bush officials knew a lot more than they at first revealed, and that there are parts of that day that we don't know enough about.

I say all this because I think the 'debunking 9/11' site is excellent. The only reason it goes into such intense detail is precisely because 9/11 Truthers have seen it fit to incorporate every single little inconsequential, marginally-related detail of the day (or its temporal context) to support the idea that it was planned by factions of the U.S Government.

The burden of evidence is something one can not get around, and evidence is hard fact, not conjecturally *inferring* things, or getting "expert opinions," or witnesses whoe "heard explosions," yadda yadda, yadda, which is so often what I see 'the 9/11 truth movement' doing. The 'official story' requires, to me, far less connecting of disparate dots, and is much more logically consistent, than the non-story the truth movement presents. All I can get from their multi-dimensional angle is that a bunch of phenemona add up to something "weird" going on, although it's never actually articulated what actual weirdness is going on. Are the Loose Change guys suggesting that a missile hit the Pentagon? Why make all the arguments about how Hani Hanjour did something "almost impossible" if they don't even believe a plane crashed there in the first place? I have heard it suggested that professional pilots said what he did was almost impossible, but I imagine that's only true if he was a pilot concerned at all about staying in the air or landing safely. He wasn't. He didn't have to take off or land the plane, and all he had to do was literally look out his window to find the target once he approached the DC area. I imagine he already had a GPS reading of his potential targets (if he existed, and it wasn't a hologram hiding a missile). The Loose Change guys make a big deal out of the fact that the plane (or not) crashed into a side of the building that just happened to have been the first section of the Pentagon to be reinforced for security reasons, but that just seems to me to be an example of what I described above, where they literally find EVERY single little minor detail that could possibly bolster THEIR foregone conclusion, and then go "see? see? SEE?"

The other facets of the 'Truth' story still strike me as reasonably outlandish. The collapse of the towers - yes, all three - look feasible given the damage and fires they all sustained, and the various engineering analyses I've read (though I'm no expert!) support the official story much better than the 'they demolished it' stories do (again, to me). One thing occured to me the other day. Why would They demolish the towers? Why would that have been necessary? I mean, I think 9/11 was big enough without their collapse to have warranted the response it did, and its subsequent use as an ideological tool in the 'War on Terror.' So I'm saying: wouldn't an *intentional* collapse of the towers been overkill?

I've heard mention made of the towers pancaking, yet I've seen many pictures/videos that show that's clearly not the case.

I maintain that a conspiracy of this magnitude, touching on SO many levels of government, here and abroad, would, upon analysis, implicate at least a few thousand people in one way or another. One fellow analyzed the first and final versions of 'Loose Change,' and estimates that the number of people those movies actually implicate is, respectively 578212 and 8157.

Good book title: Debunking Debunkers of 9/11 Debunking Debunkers.

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 04:31 PM
Yes you are right!

I knew Popular Mechanics debunking 911 was a joke when I saw it on TV.
It made me so angy I felt helpless.
I use to read thier magazin, Not anymore.

These people, who put fake Debunking sites up like Debunking911, are terrorists them selfs, they are American traitors!

They are part of the Cover-up.
We have to fight harder on the internet to expose these people.

this is plain evil, if I have ever seen it!

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 05:20 PM
reply to post by cashlink

These people, who put fake Debunking sites up like Debunking911, are terrorists them selfs, they are American traitors!

Oh man... be very careful with what you say to IvanZana. He advocates the death of those that he believes is part of the conspiracy.

Do you have any proof that the owner of debunking 9/ is a neocon? (What ever a neocon is)

Don't forget and, they may be owned by ''neocons'' who are traitors also.

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 06:11 PM
BOONE870 is one of them.

See how pathetic his last post was?

Boone and others have been schooled in the 911 threads and they are now realising how foolish and futile their attempts were to obsefucate the truth. They have wasted their lives and watched their relationships dwindle.

Thats what keeps me posting. To keep debunkers infront of their computers, getting fat, as their wives and girlfriends leave them for fighting a losing, shameful battle.

Can you imagine how deplorable their lives must really be?

Boone, Weewhacker, you need not try to debunk 911 anymore. You have failed and will continue to fail to spread your brand of logic and disinfo and with no knew evidence to support the official story, your finished!

This thread is about people just like you.

Oh ya, Flight 93 did not crash in Shanksville on 911. read more here

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 06:15 PM
Now back on topic.

here is some info I compiled

Are some conspiracy sites run by the government as a straw man tactic to discredit the truth movement?

You decide.

Most Hezbollah sites hosted in U.S.
Companies provide domains, space for Lebanese terror group

.......Most Hezbollah websites are also hosted by American companies. Hosting companies provide space on webservers for the actual site content. Alabanza, Inc. in Baltimore hosts three Hezbollah sites, including the Hezbollah news site iPowerWeb, Inc. of Santa Monica, California, hosts,,

I would like to focus on IPOWERWEB.

Domain ID
Domain Name:LETSROLL911.ORG
Created On:23-Feb-2004 18:30:50 UTC
Last Updated On:21-Feb-2005 19:20:55 UTC
Expiration Date:23-Feb-2006 18:30:50 UTC
Sponsoring Registrar:Tucows Inc. (R11-LROR)
Registrant ID:tung3O0qWwl2H3Cp
Registrant Name
hil Jayhan
Phil-Marcus Jayhan-Jump aka Phil_Jayhan, a new collapse specialist, opened a website at It focuses mainly on the second WTC-plane, Flight 175

For those of you not familiar with letsroll911, they are the website that started the whole windowless, missile pod firing, hologram, laser guided flight 175 , No plane at the Pentagon, and the Shoot down of flight 93 my Col. Gibny (sic).

Corey rowe and Jason Bermas had their starts at Letsroll911 and Loose Change first edition was partly funded by Jayhan. THe film contained a large section on the missile pod hoax which has been debunked and removed from later editions.
PLEASE SEE Pod People hijack the 9/11 truth movement

In Late 2004, a large concetrated effort came forth from this site promoting the most insane un corroberated theories in the name of 9/11 truth. Many people proved them false only to find themselves banned.
Even then they were being called disinfo artists.

As you can see the topics pushed in late 2004 on letsroll ends up being the main theories debunked in March 2005 by Popular Mechanics."

What is most interesting is that popular science features letsroll911 as the leading source for 911 truth. Obviously Popular Mechanics debunks all those wild claims such as truthers did before getting banned from the site while making the truth movement look like a bunch of cooks with zero credibility.

As you can see in this next screen grab that Popular Mechanics' Debunking 911 myths is really "Debunking Strawman theories" or debunking Letsroll911.

Step 1: Build the Straw Man
Step 2: Knock down the Straw Man by any means necessary
Step 3: Connect the original position to the Straw Man

So in conclusion it seems that mabey certain conspiracy websites are actually operated by the 911 perps for the use of obsefucating the truth, muddying the waters of truth, misleading people and setting up Straw man theories in the name of 911 truthers so than can easily debunk the wild and baseless theories surrounding 911.

Bush said it best when he said

We must speak the truth about terror. Let us never tolerate outrageous conspiracy theories concerning the attacks of September the 11th, malicious lies that attempt to shift the blame away from the terrorists themselves, away from the guilty."

-- GW Bush speaking before the UN General Assembly 11/10/2001

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 06:49 PM
reply to post by IvanZana

Thats what keeps me posting. To keep debunkers infront of their computers, getting fat, as their wives and girlfriends leave them for fighting a losing, shameful battle.

Can you imagine how deplorable their lives must really be?
Have you ever considered the possibility that I'm getting paid to do this? You could be enabling me to earn large amounts of money.

Boone, Weewhacker, you need not try to debunk 911 anymore. You have failed and will continue to fail to spread your brand of logic and disinfo and with no knew evidence to support the official story, your finished!
Then why are the 9/11 perpetrators still at large? The truth movement is right where it was six years ago; sitting in front of their computers accomplishing nothing!

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 06:51 PM

Question for the OP and Ivana:

What on that website is NOT accurate?

Thank you,


posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 07:04 PM
I am a paid operative for the NWO.
I get a killer lapdance fund for every truther that I disappear to the FEMA camps!
I have toured 23 FEMA camps and we are on target for our Grand Opening.
We WILL NOT be stopped!

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 08:38 PM
reply to post by IvanZana

Oh boy I really open a can of worms here.

Yes I know of a lot of the stuff you are talking about is true.

But I think there alot more to all this debunking than we know.

I know there are key boad ops who are paid by Governments to railroad thread all day long.

There are hundred, or even thousands, on the internet daily, railroading threads that are posting anything about 911, that may be close to be proven true, thats not the Government version.

I know there is a lot of lies, to weed through, just trying to find some truth to all of this mess.

I know the Government wasted no time covern everything that happend on 911 right away, and destroyed all the evidence they could get thier greedy, dirty hand on.

I know our Government did not want an investigation on 911 (the proof)
It took 18 months later to put a Commission together.
That was force on our Government by the Jersey girls.

Thats just for starters.

I havent seen anyone fired from his or her job in our Government, or Military for NOT doing thier jobs that day!

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 08:49 PM

Sounds like a true NeoCon alright.

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 08:53 PM
reply to post by cashlink


May I ask again.

What, if anything on the 911 Debunking page is not accurate?

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 08:53 PM
I thought Popular Mechanics was the definitive source to debunk any 9/11 "Truth" claims. Anything else is kind of redundant.

BTW I just hate when the term "Neocon" is used improperly. Are you saying a group of people who used to be liberals, then decided to become conservative, set up a propaganda site?

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 11:10 PM
Its funny how Popular Mechanics and debunking websites devote there time trying to debunking
conspiracy theories from people they call Nut Cases.

[edit on 30-6-2008 by driveshaft08]

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 11:17 PM
I swear that "Anonymous" post saying that Debunk911 is an excellent site was not there when we all posted.

Gonna have to check my cache.....

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 01:11 AM
reply to post by driveshaft08

You have a good point there!

If what we are saying has no truth, then why do they need to defend thier lieing selfs.

I mean they have call the truth movements people, tin foil hats, nut-jobs
insan, delusional, terrorists.
Even on some radio station said, all the 911 truther need to be shot.
I remember one radio station also said all truthers for 911 need to be lock away forever!

So, the whay I see it, we are a threat to the pseudo-skeptic working to distort and spread disinfo.

Its a war on good and evil the liers and the truthers.

Good always win in the long run, so dose the truth.

Evil "ALWAYS" end up Destroy it self.
Liers most of the time get caught.

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 06:01 AM
reply to post by cashlink


No one here is calling you names. Relax. I have asked you three times. On that website:; What exactly on that website is not accurate?

Thank youj,


posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 11:32 AM

Originally posted by ThroatYogurt
reply to post by cashlink


No one here is calling you names. Relax. I have asked you three times. On that website:; What exactly on that website is not accurate?

Thank youj,


Who cares what is accurate or note. The point of disgust with the 911 debunking site is that they never ever tackled real issues. They only attacked stupid conspiracy theories that were started by people who are in kahoots with popular mechanics. Its called a straw man argument.

Popular mechanics and certain pseudo truther sites made up a whole bunch of stupid ,easliy debunkable conspiracies such as missile pods, holograms, fuel tankers, and flight 93 being shot down and didnt even touch on the fact that wargames were used as cover to let the attacks occur without anyone trying to stop it.

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 11:43 AM
Here is an example of their weak tactics exploiting red herrings and destroying straw man arguments

Eyewitness to second plane is angry at conspiracy theorists.

Most offensive of all, some of these bozos claim that there are no eyewitnesses that actually saw an airplane hit the tower. Here are some facts for you bozos to consider - whenever anyone actually tells you the truth, you omit it from your evidence. Until such time as I see "the Drogin evidence" blogged and linked and debated as much as the reconstructions using videogame technology by these idiots, I suggest that any readers of this consider that the 9/11 "truth" movement is merely another stupid variation on Holocaust denial.

I dont know anyone who is not connected to the lie or has an i.q under 90 that was onboard with those silly conspiracu theories.

/11 Truth is a bald regurgitation of a silly tale we heard ten years ago

The Mindset of 911 Scholars for Truth and Other Conspiracy Kooks Opinions on a Phenomena

Obviously this site was written by children or people of low grade intel. Their tactics irritate everyone and are nothing but hit pieces and name calling. This is why the truth movement out numbers all the scummy liars.

We are smart enough to know when we are being lied to.

Here is some links where you can clearly see they are dreaming in techicolour.

Enough of the 9/11 Conspiracy Theories, Already

9/11 Conspiracy Fantasies

All Plots Move Deathward

9/11 Conspiracy Theories Persist, Thrive

Why The 9/11 Conspiracies Won't Go Away

If you were on the fence about 911. Reading that poorly reaserched page and the way it was writtten you will most likely see that you are being lied to and thus begins your journey into 911 truth.

Debunkers are converting people into truthers every minute.

[edit on 1-7-2008 by IvanZana]

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