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posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 02:54 PM
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Last I heard Pam has moved on to angels... Be what may I do talk to her from time to time and last time I asked her she was still Open minded... but yeah ones life must move on eventually.

Still, You provided a link. So now I shall grab the predictions. and we shall compare his hit rate to miss rate.




posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 04:34 PM
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Originally posted by titorite
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Last I heard Pam has moved on to angels... Be what may I do talk to her from time to time and last time I asked her she was still Open minded... but yeah ones life must move on eventually.

Still, You provided a link. So now I shall grab the predictions. and we shall compare his hit rate to miss rate.






I don't speak for Pam, I can only tell you what she said when I asked a long time ago. I have no clue if her stance has shifted.


As for what you plan to provide while you are at it address what I asked for in my other post: Please go back through this thread and address the many post from people listing Titor's many contradictions, instead of dancing carefully around them, as all of the Titor supports are currently doing.



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 04:49 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire
I'll admit I have been a fan of the Titor story since threads started on ATS years ago.

I don't feel the story has been debunked.

Reason #1 Nobody in the world can say whether or not time travel is impossible, and as a matter of fact more and more scientists are saying it is possible not only possible but likely.

Reason #2 Titors "predictions" where Not predictions, they were his history from His worldline, Not ours. In his worldline Y2K was a bid deal and in our worldline it was not.

John Titor gave us a glimpse into how his world changed in just a few short years, and our world has also change in just the last 8 years.

If it wasn't for JT I would have had no warning about how our world is evolving, but since I read his story years ago, when the government continues to make draconian laws limiting our rights, or when I see a news article about Yet Another taser death, or a natural disaster that claims 100,000 lives, or how gas prices are forcing people to sell their cars for bikes, Lets just say I'm not surprised.


Hey Dragonfire,

I have two things I wanted to reply to. The first one is negative sounding, but not meant mean or anything. I do not agree with your reasons above (reason #1 and reason #2). Reason one said nobody has proven or disproven time travel. If I then claim a spirit of a ghost, or demon or God or Jesus or what/whoever came to me and told me about the future if we don't change things. What makes my not as valid as JT's story? You cannot prove or disprove God or spirits, so now my story is not a hoax either and since I'm sharing this info about the future, if it doesn't come to fruition, then I helped to change the world because otherwise, we would have fallen into whatever bad things I predicted. Reason #2 you said wasn't any type of proof of anything in my opinion. I do believe if he came here to get his computer and decided to warn us about a few things to "help us out" then he would have said the things needed to avoid a catastrophe that he mentions. Why come back in time and predict terrible things with MANY, MANY deaths and then not do anything to prevent it. If he knew that there was going to be a terrible hurricane, tsunami, etc.., why didn't he at least say "there will be a tragic even in x city in x country on x day or month or even year" This would at least give people a chance to move or be away from that part of the world and perhaps save thousands of lives. These two alone make me think he is a liar and a fraud.

Now on to the other thing. I like the rest of your post. Great points about him making you aware of things going on through his story. Even if his story is a hoax, it helped to open YOUR eyes to many things maybe you wouldn't have searched for. I totally agree with all the JT fans on these points, but just because there are some good things coming out of JT's story, doesn't mean all the JT fans should defend his story, twisting every bit of logic they can to make it work. My thoughts are he is a hoax, but makes very good points. I lose respect for him because his story is a hoax, but it's nice to think about some of his theories on the future. As I said in my last post. The 2008 Olympics will happen and everyone will just say, well our timeline varied from his, and so will his legend live on. He was very smart telling his story and leaving outs. If I decided to make a hoax, I would try to be as smart as he was about it. Who knows, maybe he'll make a bunch of money off his story one day, but it looks like all attempts at books and movies have failed so far. I mean, yes there's a book, but I think financially it was a bust. I am glad his story has opened eyes and debates. This IS a good thing!

JPT



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by sir_chancealot
We have, once again, drifted off topic. The topic title is not "Was Titor a hoax?", but "John Titor's predictions are unfolding before our eyes".

That having been said, I listed his predictions in an earlier post (twice actually). If you think that these predictions haven't unfolded "before our eyes", then please explain. I have only seen one response to this (a feeble explanation, in my opinion. But still, it was at least a rebuttal)



[edit on 2-7-2008 by sir_chancealot]


I read your list and didn't include it just to save space, but if it's not too much trouble, could you put exact quotes from Titor on this list. Not to say you are intentionally doing this, but these are interpretations of what he said and therefore could be a bit skewed or biased based based on what YOU want to believe. I could grab the Bible and do this all day and post my interpretations to fit what I want to point. Again, not saying you are being manipulative, but would just like to see the exact quotes from him to compare what really happened. How vague was he? That is a huge one. As I posted earlier, I made five predictions, 4 immediate (within a year) and the last one claiming there would be no civil war by 2015. And I'll even add to the last one saying, no civil war in any conceivable way since someone else brought up the point that he could mean civil war in some other way than we conceive right now. My main point in these last few sentences is that I can make some very good educated guesses about the future based on the past and my imagination and what private info I know and be probably just as close, if not closer than Titor to the truth. If he was the truth and NOT a hoax, I believe his story would be more solid without as many excuses for the future if it doesn't go the way he said. I also think his pictures are amusing because nothing he has looks like it came from the future. His "time machine" was in older cars. I forget if there was an excuse for this or not, but it would have helped if he at least came in a car from the future. If he came in some type of transportation from say 2030, that had advanced technology as well, this would have easily proved to everyone that he wasn't a hoax and at the very least it would make it SUPER difficult to DISprove him. I could go on and on with other different reasons I believe he was a hoax, but it's all been covered before and there are two sides. Those who show logical reasons why he was a fraud and those who defend JT, with JT's excuses, usually not even their own. Can I ask you one thing. What are you going to believe when the 2008 Olympics happen, when we don't have a civil war of any kind by 2015, when there will be no female president for probably 3 more elections, if not more or any of his other predictions don't come true? Are you going to say because of the divergence or whatever of our timeline, or are you going think just maybe he was a hoax? If his predictions do come true, even just the Olympics and Female president, I will give you a HUG, HEARTFELT apology and buy you dinner and get you a giant bottle of your favorite kind of drink? Jack Daniels?

JPT



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 05:40 PM
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Originally posted by justpassingthrough
I read your list and didn't include it just to save space, but if it's not too much trouble, could you put exact quotes from Titor on this list.


I have already posted the list twice in this thread, but what the heck. Third time's a charm, as they say. These are all direct quotes, except where it says (Q) which is the question posed to Titor, with his reply following the (A)


Originally posted by sir_chancealot
1) ... Yes there were biological and chemical weapons used. No mind control weapons but there are new "non-lethal" weapon systems that turn out to be quite lethal. Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. They usually start out with, "In the future, the army and police will fight its enemies with new weapons systems…" When they use the word "enemy", they're talking about YOU! You don't really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you?
2) ... Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.
3) ... I'm glad to see it's so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a "no arrmer" and a "no legger".
4) ... I believe they are pretty close to putting a man in orbit. It shouldn't surprise you if they do that soon. (Note: said about the Chinese in 2001)
5) (Q) Does the civil war start in such a way that those willing will have time to remove themselves to safer locations. (A) Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe.
6) (Q) Will you readily be able to identify the enemy? (A) They will be the ones arresting and holding people without due process.
7) ...They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?
8) ...However, if I had an opportunity to talk to a time traveler, I might ask questions like: How exactly does the singularity sensor measure the expansion of the inner event horizon or why does the reality of multiple worlds support the religious dogma that there are no good or bad people just good and bad desicions or what were the political motivations that changed the U.S. Constitution?



Not to say you are intentionally doing this, but these are interpretations of what he said and therefore could be a bit skewed or biased based based on what YOU want to believe.

Those are his direct quotes.


...he could mean civil war in some other way than we conceive right now.

If, by start of civil war, he meant outright shooting, why does everyone (paraphrasing) "realize the life they thought they were living" is over in 2008? That's one the debunkers have never bothered to answer. Or, why in 2008 it is "at everyone's doorstep". Please note that the phrase "at the doorstep" means being on the very cusp.


...Can I ask you one thing. What are you going to believe when the 2008 Olympics happen,

I see no one has yet answered my very last question of my original post, which is very pertinent to this discussion. And, I don't recall that I ever said he WAS a time traveler, as you seem to imply here.


...when there will be no female president for probably 3 more elections,

I'm sorry, but Titor never said we would definitely have a female President. That is the debunkers reading into it what they want. Here is the exact quote

(Q) Your enemy was in the cities. Was the President in 2005 also on the enemy side? How did you feel personally about the President then?

(A) The President or "leader" in 2005 I believe tried desperately to be the next Lincoln and hold the country together but many of their policies drove a larger wedge into the Bill of Rights. The President in 2009 was interested only in keeping his/her power base.


How you can get "Hillary wins" out of that is beyond me.


... Are you going to say because of the divergence or whatever of our timeline, or are you going think just maybe he was a hoax? If his predictions do come true, even just the Olympics and Female president, I will give you a HUG, HEARTFELT apology and buy you dinner and get you a giant bottle of your favorite kind of drink? Jack Daniels?

JPT

I never said he WAS a hoax, nor did I say he WASN'T a hoax. I have merely pointed out that he did, indeed, get his predictions correct. Again, I will ask....

Since the Olympics were split up into 2 games 2 years apart, are the 2008 Olympics the start of a new Olympics, or the ending of the old Olympics?

And my favorite drink is Captain Morgan Private Stock (as far as anything stronger than Miller Lite.)



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 08:38 PM
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Article in the NY Times. E. Coli Illnesses Prompt Beef Recall

This stuff is getting way out of hand people... Titor or no Titor, Grow your own food...

PLEASE...

I started a new thread for this, so if you want to tick off a few "Master-Debunker's", please by all means, be my guest...



Supermarkets across the country are pulling from their shelves more than 530,000 pounds of beef that may be contaminated with E. coli in the wake of an Agriculture Department warning that the beef supplied by a Nebraska company may be responsible for at least 40 illnesses.

Read More...

www.nytimes.com...



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by sir_chancealot
1) ... Yes there were biological and chemical weapons used. No mind control weapons but there are new "non-lethal" weapon systems that turn out to be quite lethal. Sometimes I watch your television programs that show SWAT teams using new non-lethal weapons. They usually start out with, "In the future, the army and police will fight its enemies with new weapons systems…" When they use the word "enemy", they're talking about YOU! You don't really think the Marines are going to jump out of helicopters overseas with sticky goop, pepper spray and seizure lights, do you?


The first part of this one looks good to me. Those are good points and who was to think that the taser would be lethal back then. Honestly, I'm sure a few people thought so, but the general public and most even skeptical people didn't think it would be lethal. The latter half of #1 I think is a bit too open in my opinion. I don't the second half was a strong enough theory or prediction or whatever it's to be called.


2) ... Real disruptions in world events begin with the destabilization of the West as a result of degrading US foreign policy and consistency. This becomes apparent around 2004 as civil unrest develops near the next presidential election.


To me, this one is open to interpretation. I find nothing around the elections in 2004 in particular. The degrading US policy has been going on for more than just after Titor got here, I think that was easy to say. I do give this one a middle ground. Not proven or disproven


3) ... I'm glad to see it's so easy for to dismiss the Middle East. Yes, I suppose it is a no brainer but pretty soon it will be a "no arrmer" and a "no legger".


I can't say this proves him, but I will give this one to you to be fair because it's a close call.


4) ... I believe they are pretty close to putting a man in orbit. It shouldn't surprise you if they do that soon. (Note: said about the Chinese in 2001)


Not sure how I feel about this one. It all depends on how much one paid attention to China back then. This could be predicted, but again, it took some research.


5) (Q) Does the civil war start in such a way that those willing will have time to remove themselves to safer locations. (A) Yes. You will be forced to ask yourself how many civil rights you will give up to feel safe.

Courts overthrew DC gun ban. I still don't agree that ANY type of civil war or start or even pre-civil war is going on right now. Yes, our rights are being taken away, but No civil war of any type has started, nor even in a pre civil war state. Show me otherwise.

6) (Q) Will you readily be able to identify the enemy? (A) They will be the ones arresting and holding people without due process.

Hmm, as much as I could kind of argue this one, I will give it to you. "Try" would be the key word, so you get this one.


7) ...They were set in motion ten, twenty, even thirty years ago. Are you really surprised to find out that Iraq has nukes now or is that just BS to whip everyone up into accepting the next war?


Maybe something got cut off but this one makes no sense right now..


8) ...However, if I had an opportunity to talk to a time traveler, I might ask questions like: How exactly does the singularity sensor measure the expansion of the inner event horizon or why does the reality of multiple worlds support the religious dogma that there are no good or bad people just good and bad desicions or what were the political motivations that changed the U.S. Constitution?


This one doesn't prove or disprove anything and I don't really see that it helps your argument in any way.

another note, I'm not sure how they would have the technology to have time machines when he makes it sound like in 2036, they are still trying to get their world back together.

JPT



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:05 PM
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So, you don't believe that Titor is a hoax and you don't believe that he was the truth. So, what exactly do you believe? I mean, why would you defend his words when you are ambiguous about what you think of him? With his predictions, I do believe they are probably about half right, half wrong to say it easily. You could say like 1/3 are wrong, 1/3 are too open to interpretation and 1/3 right if you wanted to start to get specific I suppose. MY point in this would be that while this may open up some people's eyes, it has also raised a fear in some people. Living your life or making decisions based on fear is not good. In the 80's and even early 90's there were hoaxes I saw about Russia building troops secretly and hiding missiles in Cuba, etc... This affected a small part of the US in different communities that it spread across. It was all very underground and different people tried to move out to the country and stockpile food and weapons, etc. They sacrificed part of their life for this lie. I actually knew a guy who started living his life by fear. Years later it passed but life is so short and precious that when you lose those years, you CANNOT get them back. I don't want to see alot of people making life decisions based on fear just because some guy wanted lots of attention. That's my only beef with him. There are lots of gullible americans. It's pretty funny because The gullible Americans the people on ATS make fun of for believing the US governments words laugh at the silly gullible ATS members who believe in Titor or that 9/11 was a hologram or whatever other silly theories are out on these forums. Yes, anything is possible, but for some reason skeptics are just as gullible as the "sheeple" they make fun of. It's all a bit silly. The truth, as usual, lies somewhere in the middle.

I hope I answered your other questions to your satisfactions since, like you said, no one else was answering them. I do find that a bit telling that the debunkers couldn't even respond to your questions. I am curious why you defend Titor though. If you can't say you do or don't believe in him, why defend his words?


JPT



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:18 PM
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November 20, 2000 17:16

Question-If telling us about your time machine won't change anything, what would happen if someone built one based on your information?

(31) Titor- What you do on your worldline is your own business. I can't think of any better way to start a war than for someone to figure out how to make a time machine. Go for it.




Apparently Titor said this at some point. If what we did on our own timeline is our own business, how come he couldn't just come out and tell us everything? The family couldn't come up with the video of him leaving, he rarely gave specifics, etc... If it really didn't matter, then his answers would be different. He seems to contradict himself often. I just couldn't pass this quote up, but it seems like every 3rd thing he says doesn't true make logical sense or sense in general.

JPT



posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:59 PM
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Hey, well, what is there to say, there is holes in his story, the same way there is holes in the bible, yet many people still believe it. because it cannot be proved or disproved. if you actually read the things he has written, without any prejudice and without thinking so deeply into it, he maybe did come from the future, given the multiverse theory he put forward. To the guy who said why didn't he just come out and give us all the details, well if you read what he said, what better way to start a war than to create a time machine, if you were John could you honestly give out every single detail, knowing full well it would start a war and kill hundreds of thousands of people? even if they are not on your "timeline" it's still not a very nice thing to have on your conscience i wouldn't think.

Of course the biggest hole is the civil war in 2005 thing, but IF he is just some guy who made the story up, he is very smart because this hole can be explained away by the multiverse theory.

The pictures is also another "wtf? future tech is worse than what we have at the minute??" argument, but he does say that there is a nuclear war, and much is wiped out, so maybe thats the best he could get his hands on.

Now i know u are now thinking, "BEST TECH HE COULD GET HIS HANDS ON?? HES SITTING IN A TIME MACHINE!" Tho if you look at it, the time machine is pretty low tech for that time, like a guy was saying earlier about the processors doubling every 2 years or so, this would mean we could have something like 3000ghz cpu's by 2034 and for him to come back in a car (that doesn't even hover
) with a machine in the back is quite low tech, i mean they could have the knowledge in that time to know HOW to go back in time, just not the resources to make a super cool machine due to the nuclear war. Also as another guy said, they were scanned with 2001 tech and compressed for the internet, so the pictures would have to have been quite small/low quality, as internet speeds where terrible back then, dial up i think, correct me if I'm wrong.

So, i will probably get extremely flamed for what I'm about to say next...

Going back to the bible...with its holes...and John Titors story..with its holes...I'm going to compare his story with a religion (commence flaming) although both have holes, the majority of people who believe in the bible overlook these holes and look at the bigger picture, (don't sin, be a good person and you will go to a better place when you die). Which i think is what we should do with the Titor story, as it does provide (and even the skeptics must admit this) a pretty likely look on the future, so should we not look at the bigger picture and take these words as a warning if nothing else? i mean what is the harm in preparing for a nuclear war, martial law etc? what harm is done if our future doesn't even come close to his story? you will have learnt about how to live life without the internet, without the tv, you will be able to know what medical treatment you can get from nature (plants, shrubs etc) and all the other stuff you need to know to keep yourself alive without relying on the government. Any valuable knowledge like that is very good to have in my opinion, its definitely better having all that knowledge than to have just said "JOHN TITOR HOAXER!!!" and sat and watched tv for 12 hours a day.

So one last thing i'm curious about...

Have any of the original people that spoke to John Titor ever come forward? or are they even known?

Peace

[EDIT] Didn't read page 12 about the people who spoke with John, forget that question. Very interesting stuff.

[edit on 2-7-2008 by Neomax]



posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 06:11 AM
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Let's say you had a time machine, and you were able to back thirty years and tell everyone what happens...wouldn't you be tempted to go back again and try and right wrongs? Perhpas Titor has gone back several times and his actions resulted in changes that altered his original recorded predictions?



posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 06:32 AM
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Nothing that John Titor said has come to pass. The only unfolding I see is the hoax he did in 2000 & 2001.
I believe he is still around posing as aliens and others hoaxed characters in his imaginary world.



posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 06:51 AM
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What causes you to think this? Because, John stopped contributing to the public domain back then, and as far as I know, has not contributed anything since??? Yet you suggest that he has? Could you give up the ghost and share with the rest of us please?



posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by justpassingthrough
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So, you don't believe that Titor is a hoax and you don't believe that he was the truth. So, what exactly do you believe? I mean, why would you defend his words when you are ambiguous about what you think of him? With his predictions, I do believe they are probably about half right, half wrong to say it easily. You could say like 1/3 are wrong, 1/3 are too open to interpretation and 1/3 right if you wanted to start to get specific I suppose. ...


What I believe is that some people on here are being disingenuous (fancy word for liar) when they say that he got NO predictions right.

The Chinese in space was a big one. NO ONE IN THE MAINSTREAM PREDICTED IT. It was a shock when it happened. That's just one example.

The second thing I believe is that people do not quote him correctly. A prime example of this is the debunkers like to say that he said a woman would be president after G.W. Bush. That is blatently not true (i.e., a lie). It's hard to have a discussion if 1/2 of the conversation make stuff up that wasn't said.

People like to use two, TWO examples to say Titor was wrong. That of the Civil War, and the Olympics. I have asked 3 times, and still no debunker will answer the following question, which is EXTREMELY PERTINENT to his Olympics quote. That question is as follows:

Are the 2008 Olympics the start of a new Olympics, or the remainder of the last Olympics? I can find no information on that, and not being a sports nut, I do not recall. Why do debunkers ignore this question?

Second is the issue of the Civil War. Taken in context, and without reading any biases into it, he says that the civil war starts in 2004 with "Waco type events" that are about 1 a month. Does that sound like hostilities have broken out everywhere? You can infer that in 2008, outright fighting is set to begin. He says two things specifically about 2008. One is that the civil war "is at everyone's doorstep". The second is that by 2008, everyone knew that the life they thought they were living was over.

"At the doorstep" means it is right here, but hasn't actually started. It means the very last "step" hasn't been taken. If I said something like "I am at the very last doorstep to entering college", would you assume that I was IN college, or that there was only one thing left for me to do before I entered college?

He predicted that people would be held without due process. This is happening right now as we speak. Do any of you deny it? He asked the question "How many rights will you give up for security?" (paraphrased). Isn't that the big question in our society right now? We in the fringe has been discussing this very thing for years and years and years. Only in the last couple of years have these two very subjects went mainstream.

You debunkers please show me anyone not a "conspiracy theorist" that predicted in 2000 or 2001 that we'd have people arrested and detained without due process!

We now have AVERAGE PEOPLE living in tent cities, and out of their cars. This has not been seen in this country since the Great Depression. Do you think that they would agree with the statement that "the life they thought they were living was over"? MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF HOMES ARE SET FOR FORECLOSURE THIS YEAR. Do you think that they might agree with that phrase? Do you think any of THEM would have thought that just one year ago? How about the new news that GM may have to declare bankruptcy? Or the fact that two different European banks have stated that they expect the U.S. to undergo financial meltdown this year?

Again, my point is not to say he was or wasn't a time traveler. My point is that he did, indeed, get his predictions right, despite what some on here want to claim.

So, you have said 1/3 of his predictions are wrong. Show it. Show me the 1/3 of his predictions that are wrong. The same two keep cropping up. The Olympics and the Civil War. That's it. About 20 or 30 (at a guess, maybe even more) of his statements could be thought of as "predictions".

Hell, he even talked about mad cow disease before anyone in the U.S. even had a CLUE that it was here.

Here is the thing that none of the debunkers want to recognize. What constitutes the beginning of a civil war is up for debate. This is further compounded by the fact that he doesn't define what he means by civil war. "At your doorstep", taken in normal and everyday use, means that it is almost ready to begin. We know the actual date that Germany invaded Poland, yet historians still disagree with when WWII actually started. They can, rightfully so with hindsight, point out that it started much earlier, with some even going back to the treaty of Versailles. In fact, most history books will even make reference to this, and have some statement like "Actually hostilities began when...". Examined another way, there can be differing thoughts on when it started, but NO ONE can say it was later than September 1, 1939. The first (time-line wise) definitive statement Titor made was that by 2010, it had consumed everyone. Think of 2010 as equating Sept 1, 1939 in WWII.

Anyone can say that he was not a time traveler and it doesn't bother me. But don't say he didn't get anything right, some things right, or even most things right. There are only 2 things (so far) that are up for argument. And that is the Civil War, and the Olympics. The man even predicted CERN would soon discover how to make micro-singularities! Did anyone ELSE predict in 2000 or early 2001 that CERN would make those? Anyone? Bueller....?

Anyway, if people want to "debunk" him, fine. Just do so honestly. Someone even said "Oh, uh it was easy to predict the Chinese would send someone into space soon (meaning back in 2000 or 2001). Ok, fine. SHOW ME THE LINKS. Don't talk about how "anyone" could have done it. Show me the links from 2000 or 2001 mainstream (or even not-so-mainstream) sources that predicted the Chinese would have their first man in space. Is that so hard?

SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people are talking about CERN making micro-singularities.

SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where anyone ELSE talked about 100,000 people losing their lives in a single day.

SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people were talking about suspects being held without due process.

SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where "non-lethal" weapons were talked about as being quite lethal.

SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where the Chinese were predicted to send their first man in space.

SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people were asking what were the political motivations of rewriting the Constitution.

SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people were saying that our government's claim of Iraq having nuclear weapons was just BS to justify the Iraqi war.

SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people were talking about how much liberty to give up for safety.

SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people said the mad-cow disease was cause for concern here in the United States.

Now, that's just 9 things I picked at random at the start of this thread. There are many more that haven't even been covered here.

Don't offer your opinion, SHOW ME THE LINKS.


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posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 11:37 AM
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Great post Chancealot. Very well put together.

Let us not forget he also Bent a Frickin' Laser Beam.

And his Remark about Bicycle Tires - well just look at gas prices, look at the economy, the industry left years ago.

He might not have been a time traveller, he could very well have had access to information pertaining to the NWO depopulation Agenda, and the Police State that has grown around us. The constitution is no more.

Waco type events occur dozens of times each day (so i guess he was wrong there:lol
Americans no longer have any rights. Once you are suspected of being a terrorist, all your rights disappear with you.

Maybe not a time traveler, but definitely better informed than Everyone else. Perhaps he was some sort if Bilderberg insider letting us in on the plan for their big win.



posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 08:43 PM
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Originally posted by sir_chancealot

Originally posted by justpassingthrough
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So, you don't believe that Titor is a hoax and you don't believe that he was the truth. So, what exactly do you believe? I mean, why would you defend his words when you are ambiguous about what you think of him? With his predictions, I do believe they are probably about half right, half wrong to say it easily. You could say like 1/3 are wrong, 1/3 are too open to interpretation and 1/3 right if you wanted to start to get specific I suppose.


What I believe is that some people on here are being disingenuous (fancy word for liar) when they say that he got NO predictions right.

The Chinese in space was a big one. NO ONE IN THE MAINSTREAM PREDICTED IT. It was a shock when it happened. That's just one example.


Man, this post was a small novel so I'm taking one thing at a time... I'm starting with your first thing about the Chinese space program. I believe in what 2000 or 2001 Titor says that he thinks China is close to sending a man to the moon right?

You wanted links, not opinioins. Here ya go.

From October 2000...
www.spaceref.com...
The link above talks about China wanting to get a man on the moon by 2005. Sounds like a prediction to me about manned Chinese spacecraft and it was posted in 2000.

From January 2001...
www.spaceref.com...

From Novemeber 2000
www.spaceref.com...

These are a few that show the quick progress, plus some minor help from the US perhaps.
www.spaceref.com...

None of this is perfect proof, but at the same time, you search you find info. Hey, just ask me about something really unknown, or maybe I could just search for some little thing that is barely talked about in the US and I could make a prediction. Just because something isn't in the mainstream media doesn't mean there isn't access to it. Keep in mind, I just found this site as maybe the 2nd hit on google. I'm sure I could find a ton more sites that show dates from 2000 outlining China's space plans and aggressive funding and action to get a man into space. So, let's take this one topic at a time. Does your Titor Chinese "getting man into space" argument still hold water? If you'd like I can try and find some more media stuff.

JPT



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 02:22 PM
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What else would you like it to bend? the air? Please elaborate on why you think this was a hoax... Light does bend to gravity... But what else did you expect to bend in that picture?



posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Mad_Hatter
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John Titor's predictions are unfolding before our eyes...


No they're not. John Titor was debunked already. I'll give you one example that proves his fraudness.

He predicted the US would be in full blown civil war in 2005. Where is our full blown civil war?


SkepticOverlord

posted on 6/19/2005 @ 10:46 single this post "quote"REPLY TO:


Originally posted by paranoia
Where is this conclusive proof and debunking that has taken place?



Proof of fake... this picture:




Titor, "This is a picture taken in the fall of 2035 during my training. It shows my instructor beaming a handheld laser outside the vehicle during operation. The beam is being bent by the gravitational field produced outside the vehicle by the distortion unit. The beam is visible through smoke that is coming from his cigar."

From here: www.abovetopsecret.com...

Simple. He's a fake.

Reason: Why is the "gravitational field" only bending the laser light and nothing else? It just doesn't work that way.


So no, he is a fake and his predictions are not coming to pass.





.... Rememer it does not take much to bend light... You can bend light with refracters prism etc etc... If you have a weak gravitational field it would easily bend the light without affecting the surroundings.. Your post does not prove anything.. Granted I am not saying it is not a fake.. I am merely saying your conclusion is based on bad science.



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 09:20 AM
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I think people are too scared or ignorant to accept that what Titor said might actually happen. As far as I am concerned, we are not heading into a bright future, but into a total mess.

I really don't understand why some people refuse to see that although Titor might not have been 100% right, the general message he delivers is that we are headed for a big change in our society and this I believe is true and can be seen every day.

The US economy is melting, the dollar is dying, oil price is creating poverty and tensions all over the world, Iran and the Middle East in general is a total mess. War is more likely than peace.

And it is not just Titor, there are many who say the same thing in different ways. We are headed into a social collapse (which will shock the west since the rest are already into huge problems) which will be followed by a new paradigm which hopefully will bring a better age on Earth.

Change will happen, we like it or not. We don't need Titor to see that. It is plain obvious all around us. Our way of living (wester societies) has to change to be sustainable. All the world is poor except the west. We are creating genocide by our mindless and ignorant way of living. Each day 25.000 children die because of it (no food/water).



posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by Pericle
I think people are too scared or ignorant to accept that what Titor said might actually happen. As far as I am concerned, we are not heading into a bright future, but into a total mess.

I really don't understand why some people refuse to see that although Titor might not have been 100% right, the general message he delivers is that we are headed for a big change in our society and this I believe is true and can be seen every day.

The US economy is melting, the dollar is dying, oil price is creating poverty and tensions all over the world, Iran and the Middle East in general is a total mess. War is more likely than peace.

And it is not just Titor, there are many who say the same thing in different ways. We are headed into a social collapse (which will shock the west since the rest are already into huge problems) which will be followed by a new paradigm which hopefully will bring a better age on Earth.

Change will happen, we like it or not. We don't need Titor to see that. It is plain obvious all around us. Our way of living (wester societies) has to change to be sustainable. All the world is poor except the west. We are creating genocide by our mindless and ignorant way of living. Each day 25.000 children die because of it (no food/water).


I'm totally with you on this. My only issue with the Titor people are the sheer defending of his best guesses when they might shoot down others or not defend others with just as good of guesses. Titor has yet to show anything real that he was from the future. So, the thing that gets me is the respect given to his words by his followers, when they don't always give respect to others who's words are just as valid if not more valid than someone who has to make up some crazy story to get attention. It's great to be aware of the world situation and how the US affects other countries and how they affect the US and the sheer amount of problems that have arisen in the last 7 1/2 years. Not blaming everything on the Bush Admin, but they are a big part of the problem. Things will be crappy for a while, but you never know. I have hope that things will improve. I don't bank on it, but do hope so. I can't imagine it getting much worse than where it's at now. As long as the US can get rid of most of the junk in and around the white house this next year, things will indeed turn around. Many things like Iraq need to fixed/adjusted, etc.. Every couple of years there is something that people freak out about and yell "the end of the world or NWO is coming"... Good to be aware, to be prepared, but also just as good to have hope and desire for a better world. If nothing happens in the next few years, then people will still cry 2012, then when nothing happens then, there will be something else. I don't mean to sound all negative but have seen it all too often over the years. My theory on what is going to happen is that the US is in a depression and might be for a little while longer. The Superpower it once was will never be the same. China is the next big thing, everyone knows this, but in the meantime, the US will recover and go up and down just like all the former big economies. Look at Japan, look at Europe. They used to be big players, then they went through their hard times, now they are back again. History will repeat itself. There will be no US civil war. There may be a world war again at some point, but that is unlikely for a while. Just my .02 cents. Titor is a hoax and there are much better fortune tellers out there than him. He has opened many eyes, but also made many eyes totally paranoid beyond being able to enjoy life.

JPT





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