Originally posted by justpassingthrough
reply to post by sir_chancealot
So, you don't believe that Titor is a hoax and you don't believe that he was the truth. So, what exactly do you believe? I mean, why would you
defend his words when you are ambiguous about what you think of him? With his predictions, I do believe they are probably about half right, half
wrong to say it easily. You could say like 1/3 are wrong, 1/3 are too open to interpretation and 1/3 right if you wanted to start to get specific I
What I believe is that some people on here are being disingenuous (fancy word for liar) when they say that he got NO predictions right.
The Chinese in space was a big one. NO ONE IN THE MAINSTREAM PREDICTED IT. It was a shock when it happened. That's just one example.
The second thing I believe is that people do not quote him correctly. A prime example of this is the debunkers like to say that he said a woman would
be president after G.W. Bush. That is blatently not true (i.e., a lie). It's hard to have a discussion if 1/2 of the conversation make stuff up
that wasn't said.
People like to use two, TWO examples to say Titor was wrong. That of the Civil War, and the Olympics. I have asked 3 times, and still no debunker
will answer the following question, which is EXTREMELY PERTINENT to his Olympics quote. That question is as follows:
Are the 2008 Olympics the start of a new Olympics, or the remainder of the last Olympics?
I can find no information on that, and not being a
sports nut, I do not recall. Why do debunkers ignore this question?
Second is the issue of the Civil War. Taken in context, and without reading any biases into it, he says that the civil war starts in 2004 with "Waco
type events" that are about 1 a month. Does that sound like hostilities have broken out everywhere? You can infer that in 2008, outright fighting
is set to begin. He says two things specifically about 2008. One is that the civil war "is at everyone's doorstep". The second is that by 2008,
everyone knew that the life they thought they were living was over.
"At the doorstep" means it is right here, but hasn't actually started. It means the very last "step" hasn't been taken. If I said something
like "I am at the very last doorstep to entering college", would you assume that I was IN college, or that there was only one thing left for me to
do before I entered college?
He predicted that people would be held without due process. This is happening right now as we speak.
Do any of you deny it? He asked the
question "How many rights will you give up for security?" (paraphrased). Isn't that the big question in our society right now? We in the fringe
has been discussing this very thing for years and years and years. Only in the last couple of years have these two very subjects went mainstream.
You debunkers please show me anyone not a "conspiracy theorist" that predicted in 2000 or 2001 that we'd have people arrested and detained
without due process!
We now have AVERAGE PEOPLE living in tent cities, and out of their cars. This has not been seen in this country since the Great Depression. Do you
think that they would agree with the statement that "the life they thought they were living was over"? MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF HOMES ARE SET FOR
FORECLOSURE THIS YEAR. Do you think that they might agree with that phrase? Do you think any of THEM would have thought that just one year ago? How
about the new news that GM may have to declare bankruptcy? Or the fact that two different European banks have stated that they expect the U.S. to
undergo financial meltdown this year?
Again, my point is not to say he was or wasn't a time traveler. My point is that he did, indeed, get his predictions right, despite what some on
here want to claim.
So, you have said 1/3 of his predictions are wrong. Show it. Show me the 1/3 of his predictions that are wrong. The same two keep cropping up. The
Olympics and the Civil War. That's it. About 20 or 30 (at a guess, maybe even more) of his statements could be thought of as "predictions".
Hell, he even talked about mad cow disease before anyone in the U.S. even had a CLUE that it was here.
Here is the thing that none of the debunkers want to recognize. What constitutes the beginning of a civil war is up for debate. This is further
compounded by the fact that he doesn't define what he means by civil war. "At your doorstep", taken in normal and everyday use, means that it is
almost ready to begin. We know the actual date that Germany invaded Poland, yet historians still disagree with when WWII actually started. They can,
rightfully so with hindsight, point out that it started much earlier, with some even going back to the treaty of Versailles. In fact, most history
books will even make reference to this, and have some statement like "Actually hostilities began when...". Examined another way, there can be
differing thoughts on when it started, but NO ONE can say it was later than September 1, 1939. The first (time-line wise) definitive statement Titor
made was that by 2010, it had consumed everyone. Think of 2010 as equating Sept 1, 1939 in WWII.
Anyone can say that he was not a time traveler and it doesn't bother me. But don't say he didn't get anything right, some things right, or even
most things right. There are only 2 things (so far) that are up for argument. And that is the Civil War, and the Olympics. The man even predicted
CERN would soon discover how to make micro-singularities! Did anyone ELSE predict in 2000 or early 2001 that CERN would make those? Anyone?
Anyway, if people want to "debunk" him, fine. Just do so honestly. Someone even said "Oh, uh it was easy to predict the Chinese would send
someone into space soon (meaning back in 2000 or 2001). Ok, fine. SHOW ME THE LINKS.
Don't talk about how "anyone" could have done it.
Show me the links from 2000 or 2001 mainstream (or even not-so-mainstream) sources that predicted the Chinese would have their first man in space. Is
that so hard?
SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people are talking about CERN making micro-singularities.
SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where anyone ELSE talked about 100,000 people losing their lives in a single day.
SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people were talking about suspects being held without due process.
SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where "non-lethal" weapons were talked about as being quite lethal.
SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where the Chinese were predicted to send their first man in space.
SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people were asking what were the political motivations of rewriting the Constitution.
SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people were saying that our government's claim of Iraq having nuclear weapons was just BS to justify the Iraqi
SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people were talking about how much liberty to give up for safety.
SHOW ME THE LINKS from 2000/2001 where people said the mad-cow disease was cause for concern here in the United States.
Now, that's just 9 things I picked at random at the start of this thread. There are many more that haven't even been covered here.
Don't offer your opinion, SHOW ME THE LINKS.
[edit on 3-7-2008 by sir_chancealot]