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Obama hits McCain's military credentials via Proxy

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posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 11:06 AM
reply to post by COOL HAND

Was there any McCain 'flowery crap', like confusing Shi'a and Sunni? Good thing his lapdog LIEberman was there.

How about all of McCain's flowery 'flip-flops'....since the campaign of 2000? Plenty of examples, just follow the money.

I'm not a big fan of either of them, but as usual lately, it's the lesser of two evils we have to select from.

I've read or heard somewhere that George Washington warned against the political 'Party' I the only one?

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 01:02 PM
reply to post by COOL HAND

He is in no way obligated to "distance himself" from anything. I am sure that his service record is fair game since McCain is running on the "I will make you safer cause' I was military" ticket.

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 01:11 PM
I love seeing what is being said live on cable news. A McCain spokesman (John Lehman) is asked about McCain changing his stance on issues over the years, and the answer was....'well, he adapts to changing situations'.

But the Reblicants' slime machine called Kerry a 'flip-flopper' for doing the same thing.

AND, of course, still crickets chirping about the campaign manager Black saying that a terrorist attack on US soil would be 'good' for McCain!

Nor, not a peep about Grover Nordquist's outrageous statement, saying that Obaba is just 'a tanned Kerry'. Sometimes the best way to get out of a hole is just to keep digging.

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 01:17 PM

Originally posted by SaviorComplex
So, defending McCain from lies and smears is now dirty politics? What kind of twisted logic is that?

He's a self admitted war criminal, who received just over a medal and a half per hour of combat. "Combat" defined as, in his own words, "bombing women and children".

You're right, there's a lot of conjecture and unsubstantiated claims. But the big issue is that none of it is born of his candidacy for president. It's been around for a while, and wasn't thought up out of thin air. Supposedly the CIA is in possession of documents which prove he aided the VC, divulging classified information to avoid torture. These supposed documents also allege that he was furnished an apartment and two prostitutes in exchange for information, and that the other POWs were told he was being held in solitary confinement. Perhaps we'll see something leaked to substantiate all these claims, perhaps we won't.

That's what gets me about you, and your personal insults towards me. I never claimed any of this was true. I merely brought up the fact, that there are alternate views of his time as a POW, and you attack me. Closing your mind to the mere possibility that a politician has lied about his past really makes me wish you were too young to vote. I merely stated that I wish McCain would address these claims, instead of running from them (or attacking the families of other POW's who question him about his experience as a POW).

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 01:46 PM

Originally posted by Unit541
He's a self admitted war criminal, who received just over a medal and a half per hour of combat. "Combat" defined as, in his own words, "bombing women and children".

A forced confession under duress and torture is hardly an true admission of anything.

Originally posted by Unit541
You're right, there's a lot of conjecture and unsubstantiated claims.

Then why even bother mentioning them, if they are unsubstantiated claims and at worst, outright lies? If you know them to be nothing but the worst sort of rumor, why do you keep repeating them if you do not believe them and are not trying to forward them as fact?

Originally posted by Unit541
But the big issue is that none of it is born of his candidacy for president.

Then what are they born of, if not his candidacy for president or career as Senator?

Originally posted by Unit541
It's been around for a while, and wasn't thought up out of thin air.

Of course not. They are a purposeful twisting and manipulation of known facts. See the link I posted for more on this.

Originally posted by Unit541
Supposedly the CIA is in possession of documents which prove...These supposed documents also allege...

Again, even you yourself say they are "supposed." You admit this is rumor and not fact. You admit you have absolutely nothing to base this on. So, again, I ask you why you are repeating this, unless you are purposefully wanting to malign the man based on rumors and lies.

Originally posted by Unit541
That's what gets me about you, and your personal insults towards me. I never claimed any of this was true. I merely brought up the fact, that there are alternate views of his time as a POW, and you attack me.

Because despite your claims, you keep repeating these lies and rumors.

Originally posted by Unit541
Closing your mind to the mere possibility that a politician has lied about his past really makes me wish you were too young to vote. I merely stated that I wish McCain would address these claims...

Your belief that if you don't like a politician then the most outrageous rumors and lies on the internet must be true makes me wish you would be stripped of your right to vote.

Why don't you think he doesn't feel he has already addressed these in his official biography? Why do you think McCain should address every single stupid rumor and lie that is written about him on the internet? You're every bit as ridiculous as the idiots who think Obama needs to personally hand-deliver them a copy of his birth certificate.

[edit on 1-7-2008 by SaviorComplex]

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 11:58 PM
reply to post by COOL HAND

Do you agree with this
"“I think getting in a fighter plane and getting shot down is a qualification to become president.” "

You do!!! then how many unqualified presidents have there been?
Well there's Bush and Bush jr for starters

I listened to the Whole interview and where is the couldn't find 1 single slight against McCain's Miltary credentials.
there is a point where clark says "he wasn't the one who ordered the bombs to be dropped". Which is true isn't it.

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 10:44 AM

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 02:44 PM
background of mccain which his biography fails to show,note the comments of vets imprisoned with him
By Roland C. Eyears
Roland C. Eyears


It is now clear that what is left of the Republicon Party, after being fatally poisoned by the Bush administration, intents to commit suicide by nominating Senator John McCain (R-Hanoi) for the presidency. Where do I start?


McCain spent his boyhood in exclusive boarding schools where staffers were paid to put up with his tirades. We all did some immature things before we matured. But with McCain, the tirades continue today.

Had he not been the son and grandson of admirals, there is scant chance he would have been admitted to the U.S. Naval Academy. Given his behavior patterns and academics, had he not been the son and grandson of admirals, there is little doubt he would have been thrown out. Instead, in 1958 he managed to graduate 894 out of 899. Had he not been the son and grandson of admirals, he is no chance he would have been accepted into the prestigious naval flight training program over far better qualified officers. On his way to becoming a North Vietnamese ace, the aviator lost 3 expensive aircraft on routine, non-combat flights. Little was made of all that, because he was, you know, the son and grandson of admirals.

McCain's most horrendous loss occurred in 1967 on the USS Forrestal. Well, not horrendous for him. The starter motor switch on the A4E Skyhawk allowed fuel to pool in the engine. When the aircraft was "wet-started," an impressive flame would shoot from the tail. It was one of the ways young hot-shots got their jollies. Investigators and survivors took the position that McCain deliberately wet-started to harass the F4 pilot directly behind him. The cook off launched an M34 Zuni rocket that tore through the Skyhawk's fuel tank, released a thousand pound bomb, and ignited a fire that killed the pilot plus 167 men. Before the tally of dead and dying was complete, the son and grandson of admirals had been transferred to the USS Oriskany.

As a rising naval officer, McCain was surrounded by rumors of numerous adulterous affairs, such as used to be called "conduct unbecoming an officer." Author and biographer Robert Timberg has detailed several of McCain's sexual relationships with subordinates when serving as a Squadron Leader and an Executive Officer. I think we all know such behavior is a clear violation of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, in other words, a crime.

When McCain's application to the National War College was rejected, according to noted author and researcher Joel Skousen, he whined to daddy who pulled strings with the Secretary of the Navy.


McCain's 5½-year stay at the Hanoi Hilton (officially Hoa Loa Prison) has ever since been the subject of great controversy. He maintains that he was tortured and otherwise badly mistreated. One of many who disagree is Dennis Johnson, imprisoned at Hanoi and never given treatment for his broken leg. He reports that every time he saw McCain, who was generally kept segregated, the man was clean-shaven, dressed in fresh clothes, and appeared comfortable among North Vietnamese Army officers. He adds that he frequently heard McCain's collaborative statements broadcast over the prison's loud speakers.

On October 26, 1967, McCain's A-4 Skyhawk was shot down over Hanoi. The fractures of 1 leg and both arms were reportedly due to his failure to tuck them in during ejection. According to U.S. News & World Report (May 14, 1973), McCain didn't wait long before offering military information in return for medical care. While an extraordinary patient at Gi Lam Hospital, he was visited by a number of dignitaries, including, to quote McCain himself, General Vo Nguyen Giap, the national hero of Dienbienphu.

Jack McLamb is a highly respected name in law enforcement circles. After 9 years of clandestine operations in Cambodia and unmentionable areas, he returned home to Phoenix where he became one of the most decorated police officers on record. Twice McLamb was named Officer of the Year. He went on to become an FBI hostage negotiator. This man has stated that every one of the many former POWs he has talked with consider McCain a traitor. States McLamb, "He was never tortured…The Vietnamese Communists called him the Songbird, that's his code name, Songbird McCain, because he just came into the camp singing and telling them everything they wanted to know." McLamb further quotes former POWs as saying McCain starred in 32 propaganda videos in which he denounced his country and comrades.

The Glavnoje Razvedyvatel'noje Upravlenije is the Soviet's military intelligence division. Numerous sources confirm that during the Nam Era, the English-speaking Vietnamese who conducted interrogations of American prisoners were always overseen by Russian GRU officers. The ranking GRU officer at the Hanoi Hilton had a multilingual teenage son who was tasked with translating all interrogation reports into Russian. He would become known only as T.

According to T who interpreted all interrogations and notes pertaining to McCain during the latter's stay from December, 1969, to March, 1973, when a well-fed looking McCain's was released, privileges were extended. These included time at a furnished apartment in Hanoi – furnished with 2 prostitutes. McCain would attribute such absences to solitary confinement.

It has been widely reported that following his father's appointment as CINCPAC Commander-in-Chief of all U.S. forces in the Vietnam theater of operations, McCain was offered an immediate parole. McCain insists that he refused such a preference. Others insist that his father refused to allow such a preference. In any event, such an offer would have required the approval of the Soviet masters, and T would have seen documentation. He has no recollection of such an offer.

In 1991 the Soviet Union was in a state of collapse. People and things were up for grabs. During that thaw, a mass document swap took place between the KGB and CIA. All T's translations were included. If these dots are really connected, it is small wonder that McCain had fought consistently to keep all files sealed, block any attempts to retrieve POWs, and establish the friendliest of relations with his former tormentors.

Imagine the possibilities. A Clintonian leak during the presidential campaign. Or, in the unlikely event of a McCain victory, blackmail of the Manchurian Candidate.

It is public record that Admiral McCain was on hand to greet his son upon return. According to Major Mark A. Smith (USA Retired), a Green Beret and former POW, a trusted friend of his accompanied the Admiral that day. Later, when the friend referred to that meeting, McCain became enraged, volunteered that he had received "no special treatment," and then denied that his father was there.

In 1989 legislation known as The Truth Bill was introduced in the U.S. House. It required the Department of Defense to publish the names and information on all unaccounted for POWs, MIAs, and KIAs in WW II, the Korean War, and Vietnam. It languished and was resurrected 2 years later. Then came the McCain Bill, promptly enacted, that blocked such information. The DoD does not even have to acknowledge confirmed sightings of live Americans.


The senator's temper and temperament remain in question. His biographer quotes him: "At the smallest provocation I would go off into a mad frenzy, and then suddenly crash to the floor unconscious." Has he moderated over time? Apparently. Somewhat. Senators who have had McCain scream hyphenated obscenities at them nose-to-nose include Rick Santorum, Richard Shelby, Thad Cochran, and James Inhofe. Most colleagues decline comment. The man has been called psychologically unstable.


Four years ago McCain loudly defended the glorious hero of the Vietnam War, John Kerry. That would be the young naval officer who hid out in an office until he took command of a river patrol boat for a few weeks. He put in for a purple heart every time he got a scratch or bruise. With 3 of those, he rotated out with the intention of running for public office as a war hero. When Kerry saw the level of anti-war sentiment, he quickly morphed into an anti-war hero running for public office and later married the widow of an extremely wealthy, conservative senator who died under highly suspicious circumstances. Swift Boat Veterans for Truth have not died. Their affiliate is Vietnam Veterans Against John McCain, headed by former Sergeant Ted Sampley, who also serves as vice-president of the half-million member Rolling Thunder Motorcycle Rally.

Sampley has spent years working toward the return of Vietnam era MIAs and POWs abandoned by our government (which is invariably the case at a war's end). McCann has thwarted him at every turn, dismissing 1,600 credible first hand sightings, 14,000 second hand sightings, and countless radio intercepts that supported the observations.

In 1991 a Senate Select Committee held hearings on the subject of Vietnam POWs. Tracy Usry, honored Vietnam veteran and former chief investigator for the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, testified that American POWs were routinely interrogated by Soviet intelligence officers. Several times, an enraged McCain interrupted, shouting that, "…none of the returned U.S. POWs released by Vietnam was ever interrogated by the Soviets." He knew better. So apparently did Bui Tin, former Senior Colonel, NVA, who testified that he had been privy to all Soviet documents pertaining to American prisoners. He supported Usry, refuted McCain, and offered his personal records as added proof.

In short order, Usry and all participating staff members were fired. Jack Wheeler, Republicon insider and master strategist, attributed that to McCain's behind-the-scenes pressuring.

Add to that McCain's despicable treatment of families of POWs. Is that based on guilt or is the man simply despicable?


In the 1920s, the Bronfman family of Montreal rose to power and wealth based particularly on its Seagrams liquor business, which had as its Prohibition Era partner Meyer Lansky, American Mafia boss. Bootlegging profits were enormous. The family branched into many areas, including media. In recent years, Bronfman acquired a major chunk of Time-Warner.

Michael Collins Piper is the author of several books including FINAL JUDGMENT and THE HIGH PRIESTS OF WAR. According to his research, Jack Ruby, Texas nightclub manager and silencer of JFK's alleged assassin, was a Bronfman asset. Piper identifies Ruby as "a key player" in the smuggling of arms stolen from U.S. military bases to Israel.

In the years prior to World War II, the move into Arizona was made. In 1941, Gus Greenbaum of Phoenix started a national wire service for bookies. When he shifted to Las Vegas in 1946 to oversee Meyer Lansky's casino interests and subsequently replace the infamous, violent Bugsy Siegel, Kemper Marley was appointed crime syndicate boss of Arizona. According to sources within the Marley group, it was Bronfman who put him in the liquor business and enabled him to build a statewide monopoly. In 1948, the feds sent 52 employees to prison for liquor violations. Rumor has it that Marley remained untouched because one of his lieutenants, James Hensley, took the fall and did a dime. Piper reports that Hensley's attorney and dealmaker was William Rehnquist. Yes, that would be the Chief Justice who later pulled his former girlfriend onto the high court and spent his last decade on the bench hallucinating on drugs. Upon release, Marley gave Hensley one of the biggest Anheuser-Busch distributorships in the country – certainly the biggest in Arizona. Thank you for your faithful service.

Then one day in 1981, an obscure, newly retired naval officer rode into the land of sun, cacti, and retirees. After his first wife, who had raised his children and waited for him became crippled in an accident, John McCain had dumped her overboard and married his mistress – Cindy, daughter of James Hensley. The next year the "straight talker" was installed in the U.S. House of Lords. Four years later he moved to the senate.

So who owns honest John McCain? The mob that runs Arizona? The big Vegas money that continues to contribute heavily? The Israeli connection? You be the judge.


Not long ago, McCain stated to a journalist that, "Economics isn't my strong suit." But, he added, he is reading Greenspan. That would be Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan who, during his tenure, expanded the money supply more than in all the years since 1913. The Greenspan who kept the printing presses running at warp speed, turning out little pieces of paper called money and backed by the promises of politicians. Alan the Inflator fueled the dotcom bubble, the stock market bubble, and more recently the real estate bubble. It is no wonder that the LONDON ECONOMIST recently pegged 2007 true U.S. inflation at 17%. Just what we need – another president who is an economic illiterate. It's small consolation that McCain admits it, because if elected, he'd appoint the wrong advisors.


McCain, also known as senator hyphen around D.C., frequently partners with members of the far left. The McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill was an obvious, full-frontal attack on the First Amendment – perhaps the most blatant since the Sedition Act 200 years previous. Specifically, it outlawed the most protected of free speech, political descent. This alone should be a deal breaker. Anyone voting for the bill should have been impeached and removed from office. George Bush, when he broke another of his pledges and signed the odious legislation, said he had problems with it but that the Supreme Court might very possibly strike down parts. Apparently, his thinking was (1) this is bad law, but why should I worry, and (2) I don't need to do my job because somebody down the line might do it for me.

Accordingly, it is entirely logical that radio talk show hosts are in strong opposition to McCain. They understand how much he hates free speech, and they don't want to see a return to the deceptively named Fairness Doctrine that used to force broadcasters to devote matching time to the promotion of liberal views to balance conservative. At the core is the liberals' fear of exposure to the marketplace of ideas and free discourse. To them, it is not enough that you have a dial and an opposed thumb. If we're going to have a Fairness Doctrine, let's carry it all the way out. For every 80 anti-gun news stories, I want to see 80 (easy to find) pro-gun stories. Not 1. For every male bashing commercial, mandate one female bashing. Let's limit the number of black players on college and NBA teams to 12½ percent, reflective of the population. Et cetera.

McCain also works to destroy the Second Amendment. John McCain does not trust you with a firearm, regardless of the plain words of the Constitution. He would bar you from defending yourself from marauders and certainly from an out-of-control government. The Gun Owners of America rates McCain F minus. Although the National Rifle Association is far softer in defending gun rights, its president has termed McCain the "worst Second Amendment candidate." Example: McCain sponsored an amendment to S. 1805 that would destroy gun shows by outlawing private gun sales at such events, although they have been proven to not be a significant source of criminals' weapons. A next step would be the outlawing of private transfers. A father would be unable to pass down a family treasure without government blessing. The unconstitutionality of all this is of no importance to the senator and his ilk. Check his record. This alone should be another deal breaker.

Just about everybody loves a maverick, right? Spirit of America and all that. We often impute a certain sense of integrity to someone who turns on his own. Is the senator from Hanoi really a maverick? Sure, but from what? Honor? Duty? The Constitution he works so hard to make irrelevant? But as a career politician and long-time member of the Council on Foreign Relations, McCain is also a one- worlder and a senior insider.


I'm sure the sponsor of the so-called Campaign Finance Reform Bill wouldn't mind if we took a cursory look at his donors. They include the sinister international currency manipulator George Soros, JP Morgan Chase & Company, Citigroup, Goldman Sachs, and Lehman Brothers. In other words, McCain is backed by most of the usual suspects who back "the competition."

According to WorldNetDaily, since 2001, this candidate has receiving funding via the Reform Institute of Alexandria, Virginia, founded to launder money from George Soro's Open Society Institute and Theresa Heinz Kerry's Tides Foundation. Let's just know who owns whom. All this only makes sense. The senator is a long-time member of the Council on Foreign Relations, a one-worlder, an ultimate insider.

Funding scandals? Sure. We have them too. Does anybody remember the Keating Five debacle from 1987 that cost depositors and taxpayers $160 million? Charles Keating owned American Continental Corporation and its subsidiary Lincoln Savings & Loan. Facing multiple federal indictments, he called on the recipients of his largesse – Senators Alan Cranston, John Glenn, Don Riegle, and from the great State of Arizona Dennis DeConsini and John McCain. Strings were pulled, but, in the end, Keating was convicted. In 1991, the Senate Ethics Committee (I know, such an oxymoron) ruled that McCain hadn't quite done anything illegal. But by his own standards he was corrupt.


Recently, the New York Times ran a piece suggesting that McCain may have had an affair with lobbyist Vicki Iseman that went back 8 years. Ms. Iseman is a partner in Alcalde & Fay, who represent Carnival Lines, several broadcasters, and municipalities. The Times, along with Drudge and the Washington Post, had been sitting on the story for some weeks. The allegations are unproven, and, the senator has exhibited extraordinary self-control when denying them. I can only say that he has a history of this type of Clintonian behavior, both in the military and, admittedly, during his first marriage. Apparently it is acceptable anymore. In any case, I question whether the Times should have run with this.

Influence peddling? Sure, McCain rode Lowell Paxson's jet several times. It would be asking a lot of a high-profile senator to walk through a crowded airport and climb on a commercial flight. Maybe he wrote Paxson checks at the commercial fare rate. He did accept $100,000 donation from Alcalde & Fay. And he did write 2 letters recommending that the FCC approve Paxson's purchase of a Pittsburgh TV station. Only two? Lobbyists lobby. I don't have any finger to point here.


Taking a page from Bill Clinton's Attorney General, McCain has called Christian leaders "agents of intolerance."

McCain often crosses the aisle to block the confirmation of conservative judges with strict construction leanings. His record on taxes is clear; he likes them. Senator hyphen has co-sponsored ill conceived legislation that would boost gasoline prices by more than half a dollar a gallon. And he supports radical global warming measures that would significantly disadvantage the U.S.


Teaming again with Teddy Kennedy, at al, the senator from Hanoi sponsored an amnesty bill for illegal aliens. A top aide, Juan Hernandez previously held a cabinet level position with ex-president of Mexico Vincente Fox. This dual citizen is on record as favoring "Mexico First." McCain supports open borders. Well, until he caught sight of the prize. These days he's auto-phoning into Ohio, promising that "first I'll close the borders." He'd still like to see Social Security money paid to the sneak-ins. Another deal breaker?

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 03:08 PM
More here..

I do not favour either candidate ,I just thought that these articles may be seen as interesting on here,especially mc 's flight record.and the comments of other vets and suchlike...truly amazing.

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 03:27 PM
Obama is acting in the manner in which he should be, not giving anti Obama supporter's any fuel to proceed with their ridiculous doubting of his potential for candidacy! Move on people. All these years no one has particularly cared for voting and choosing who was more qualified for the job to be President. Now all of a sudden every one is an expert, please stick to your day jobs. You'll have you say in November, until then shut it! Look who the great republican supporters put in office for two terms Bush. The person who has ruined our economy, taken our nations son's and daughter's for war never the less has put us in more debt than can really be calculated.


posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 02:33 PM
Im curious how credible the source is.

I was a Kerry supporter back in 04 and even had the oppurtunity of meeting with him. I was disgusted by the fact of his military record being the power behind putting a stop to his victory.

I feel the same with McCain. McCain's case unlike Kerry's has been in the spotlight well before his run for the white house. I recall hearing about McCain's service when I was 9 years old! If there were something there it would have been brought up by now.

Regardless of who's running, whenever accusations are made, the person making them looks like an idiot. I'm not convinced Obama is stupid enough to do this.

Edit: Had to fix a typo.

[edit on 7/29/2008 by AndrewTB]

posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:01 PM
So let me get this straight.

Its OKAY for a conservative to question a mans skin color/ religion because we've gone through

  • Obama is too black
  • Obama is not black enough
  • Obama isnt muslim enough
  • Obama is too muslim
  • Obama is too christian
  • Obama is not christian enough

But its not okay to question a man's military service?

*ahem* Double Standard rates apply.

It fits the republican mold for this election, however.

It's okay to destroy our privacy for warantless wire-tapping (according to a conservative)

but its not okay to have common-sense gun laws (according to a conservative)

both of which violate our rights in search of greater security.

Personally - i support both - but im sure i'd be called a liberal hypocrite for that one

posted on Jul, 29 2008 @ 03:21 PM

Originally posted by Anti-Tyrant
reply to post by SaviorComplex

You mean, that people can take it upon themselves to make a political crusade against someone?

It's like creating an agenda you have nothing to do with, isn't it?

I love how you guys are acting like the victims here, after 7 years of non-stop Bush bashing. You can dish it out, but you sure as hell cant take it!

Originally posted by Andrew E. Wiggin
So let me get this straight.

Its OKAY for a conservative to question a mans skin color/ religion because we've gone through

  • Obama is too black
  • Obama is not black enough
  • Obama isnt muslim enough
  • Obama is too muslim
  • Obama is too christian
  • Obama is not christian enough

But its not okay to question a man's military service?

*ahem* Double Standard rates apply.

LOL, what is it with you libs on this forums and assigning blame to conservatives for everything? It was fellow democrats that suggested he might not be black enough. Not Republicans, conservative or right winger I know ever made that suggestion. You just made up all the other stuff.

Read, ALL democrats!

[edit on 29-7-2008 by Dronetek]

posted on Sep, 8 2008 @ 06:03 PM
Way too much rhetoric here.

It really is this simple: Are you prepared to have a sometime community organizer and half term senator from Chicago be leader of the free world?
Then Obama is your man. Vote accordingly and more power to you.

We were all worried that McCain would pick a stumpy, old white guy for VP. Instead we got Palin - now that's playing a wild card! Now, it's Obama with the stumpy VP and he'll still be trying to knock Sarah Palin down come election day. Talk about your diversions, folks.

Politics is more poker than anything else... bluffing and working the hands you're dealt. The economy will do what it does, regardless of the President and we'll still be sucking oil and crying about it after Jan 12.
Personally I'd prefer a man who at least can play a great poker hand and keep the enemies of this nation guessing.

Sen. Obama aint it, Im afraid. For that I'll take the old white guy.

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