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Is The Da Vinci Code part of a Plot in Holywood & the Media against Catholicism & the Latin Culture?

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posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 12:08 AM
The Peace of God to all that belong to the light,
Dear Readers,

Let me start this thread around the so important discussion about a possible plot in Holywood, the so called dreams machine, with its so powerful influence in the collective subconscient of Millions of movie viewers against the Christian values.

The suspicion around this possible conspiracy start with the analysis of the themes of various important productions that Holywood & the Media in America has promoted in which there is a clear attack to the Catholic Church and also to relevant figures that once were protected by it, as Leonardo Da Vinci, trying to show that there is so dark side in this institution and among its most relevant colaborators.

We can see for instance productions like:

Monsignor (1982) in which the star Christopher Reeve role is a Cardinal that is not only having a love affair with a Nun but also cynically threated with the maffia in the own Vatican city to repair the finances of the Holy See.

The Thorn Birds(1983), ABC TV miniseries in which it is told the saga of an entire Cleary clan, specially focused on the lone Cleary daughter, Meggie (Rachel Ward) and her relationship with Father Ralph de Bricassart (Richard Chamberlain) that run a brilliant career in the church hierachy until be chosen Cardinal.

Revelation (2001), Movie that describe a hugh conspiracy of a Cardinal of the Catholic church, leading a criminal secret society, that fights to recover a relic with the blood of Jesus Christ only to try to clone him but at the same time making drastic manipulation of his genes to change his charater and personality.

And finally,

The Davinci Code(2006), a mixture of different genres of conspiracies that link the supposed falsification of the Shroud by Leonardo Da Vinci, with the also supposed descendence of Mary Magdalen and JesusChrist and the
criminal activites of a secret society, A millenarian sect called The Priory of Sion, supposely related with the Opus Dei. This society has kept for centuries the secret of that matter. The principal evil personage is masochist and kind of psychopath albino monk, Sibilas that will chase Langdon and Sophie as well, in order to impede that they solve the mystery of Christ and Mary Magdalene, and also the real meaning and location of the Holy Grail.

1) Are all these super productions the mere casuality around the same topic that is focused with intense curiousity and threated with insistence by the directors and producers of Movies in America, and precisely during Strong Ultraright Republican administrations?


2) Part of a so smart plot that is looking to weak the credibility of the Catholic church to open a space of expansion for the Evangelic fundamentalism that wants to be the Core of the New World order of the Globalization?,

a new order that achieve the most ambitions goal never imagine in the History:

To Join the political, militar, economic and Religious world powers in the same hands, like the ones of fanatic leaders as John Hague.

3) Let me go one step bejond, Could this be a sophisticate Conspiracy to destroy the Latin Culture to expand the imperial republic of the Globalization and preventive wars along the whole Western Hemisphere until the Patagonia?

Thanks for your atention,
I expect the active participation of all the members of the forum in this discussion,

your friend,

The Angel of lightness

[edit on 6/30/2008 by The angel of light]

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 12:35 AM
reply to post by The angel of light

I don't think movies can hurt the credibility of Catholicism more then the molestation scandal and the subsequent attempts to cover it up.

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 12:54 AM
reply to post by harvib


Well I think you are the right person to give a glance and read the following articles:

It looks that also the Ministers of the protestant churches are doing exactly the same or worst than the fault that supposely you think is exclusive of the catholic priests.

But let me show you something stronger;

What do you think about this? Now the religious fundamentalism in America is turned to be violent, really brutal isnt it?

But perhaps it is more known the scandal of the polygamic Mormon sect in Texas, the land of John Hague, in which everybody had sons with everybody and even the children were sexual abused:

but the epidemia of Sexual abusses in America among the religious leaders don't stop in the protestant side, also we have now Jehova witnesses involved and in the world scenario even Hindu priests, check this pls:

and what can we say about the Episcopalian Church, the favorite scenario for the gay scandals in America:

So if all this terrible crimes are occuring in many religions why there is so interest of the Media in America to underline only the cases that appear in the Catholic churches? what is the origin of that obsession or fascination with respect to that specific religion?

thanks for your atention,

Your friend,

The Angel of lightness

[edit on 6/30/2008 by The angel of light]

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 01:03 AM

So if all this terrible crimes are occuring in many religions why there is so interest of the Media in America to underline only the cases that appear in the Catholic churches? what is the origin of that obsession or fascination with respect to that specific religion?

I'm not sure. That's a good question. Without any data to back this up I would have to guess that it was caused be the wide spread occurances. Also I would assume that the attempt to cover up those occurances angered many.

If there is a conspiracy against Catholicism I am curious as to why you think that is. Intresting thread.

posted on Jun, 30 2008 @ 12:28 PM
Let me point a so very important aspect about the statistics of this terrible cases: here for example there are some other related with different denominations:

Baptist minister sexual harrassing a girl of 13 years old.

Batist pastor accused of pedophilia with an adolescent boy:

various Rabbis accused of pedophilia:

and something that is attonishing, sincerely unbeliavable to be occuring among a religious congregation, chk this article in which some ordenances supposely given based on the talmud look to tolerate the pedophilia among the orthodox jews:

In general, with few exceptions like probably some of the cases that I mentioned above, when Anybody try to analize the rate of incidence of this crimes among any religion in some sense is logical that the ones with major number of followers are more exposed to have the highest risk.

The reason is simple, is not the same to try to find such a crime in a sect of 3000, 30.000 or 300.000 members than in church of 1.000.000 or in one of almost 1000.000.000 like the biggest one is, the Catholic one.

So my impression is that we are affronting a plot that is part of the political propaganda of the most extreme and radical sectors of the new American Ultranationalism, a movement that is begind the evangelic fundamentalism that promoted the construction of a superpowerful state that control the lives of millions of persons from any point of view.

This extremist movement is the one that is also supporting the policy of a Government of the war, by the war and for the war that we have seen during the 3 major international conflicts on the also 3 Bush administrations: Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan.

In one of my threads I denounced the existence of this parallel power that is the last version of a radical ideologic current which roots are in the former Nacional socialist party of America that existed openly during the 1930's and 1940's.

A proof of this hypothesis is the rejection that John McCain must do of the endorsement of Johh Hague, an evangelic leader of Texas, when it was discovered that he expressed publically in the past Nazi ideas in his speechs. The most curious thing about this scandal is that there are aspects of the personal live of Hague that looks to connect him also with the Zionism, so we could be talking about a plot between a diversity of fundamentalisms.

Thanks for your participation in this thread,

your friend,

The Angel of lightness

[edit on 6/30/2008 by The angel of light]

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 04:51 PM
You may be right. There may be an anti-religion mindset coming out of Hollywood. But is it the result of an organized conspiracy? Or is the Church just coming to its inevitable end?

Consider the following prophecy of St. Malachy:

St. Malachy’s Prophecy of the Popes predicted in 1139 that in total there would only be 268 popes. Currently, Benedict XVI, is the 267th pope. That leaves only one more pope.

It’s not just Hollywood that has been critical of the Church over these past 40 year or more. The following people spent a lifetime trying to correct the wrongs of the Church – and they were both devout Catholics:

Malachi Martin wrote much about the corruption and coming collapse of the Church from inside knowledge.

Veronica Lueken spent over 30 years prophesying about the increasing corruption (satanic invasion) of the Church.

Then there’s the so-called Third Letter of Fatima that was never revealed as it was supposed to be in 1960 by the pope. Each subsequent pope decided against publicly revealing what the prophecy was. Why? What is it hiding? (The Vatican’s attempt to present of a message as the Third Letter was rejected by experts.)

So the bigger conspiracy questions are…

Has the Catholic Church become corrupted to the point of collapsing from within? Has the Church become outdated and obsolete? Is Dan Brown justified in using historical facts -- said to be hidden by the Knights Templars and Freemasons for so long -- for the basis of his Da Vinci Code? Is this the time for the truth to be revealed about Jesus? What of the Vatican’s attempts to censor the Dead Sea Scrolls and other archeological finds? (See Micaheal Baigent and Richard Leigh, “The Dead Sea Scroll Deception.) What is the Church afraid of? Is it possible to stop the ever-increasing case against the Catholic Church’s claim of being the only true church?

The theories about the Historical Jesus have been the topic of research for modern theologians long before Hollywood or Dan Brown caught on to it. I don't think there’s a conspiracy as such. It’s just scholars at work discovering what the Church has tried to repress since it’s contrived inception during the Council of Nicea. And what is coming to Light is very intriguing -- and relevant to our advancement as civilized human beings. I'm hopeful because of it.

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 06:23 PM
The Peace of God to all that belong to the light,
Dear Reader,

Well I want to point that this is not a campaign exclusively directed against the Catholic Church but something even more grave, that is, a sistematic discrediting war against the Latin Culture.

Moreover, this a propaganda strategy created to wash the brains of thousands of millions of human beings about the superiority of the Anglosaxony culture in the world and of the Evangelic faith too.

What is the goal of this strategy? to anex the LatinAmerican continent, so rich in row materials, to the empire of the preventive wars and the so called globalization.

The sistematic attack against the Latin Church is only the first step to weak the national identity of many nations.

The evidences that support my claim are as follows:

- The DaVinci Code is a so irresponsible Novel written in a way in which the most outstanding figure of the Latin Humanism and Artist, Engineer and Scientist, like Leonardo Da Vinci is reduced to the role of a common merchant of cheap tricks, a falsificator of the Shroud of Christ, a person without any ethic that for money was able to do anything.

With this seudo Novel the great father of the Renaicense becomes a vulgar swindler, just only for the terrible sin to be Latin, that is the reason for which Brown chose him for that role in his perverse book.

Why the author didnt prefer Isaac Newton that was several times more expert in optics than Da Vinci????

Why instead of the Opus dei was not the British Masonery the one behind the fraud????

The most recent evaluation about the tests practiced to the cloth stored in Turin to determine its authenticity clearly shows that there is so high probability that indeed it be the authentic Shroud of Christ. To be sincere among all the possible tests like:

- the verification of the cruxification technical details,
- the polen granes contained on its surface,
- the style of the texture that corresponds with the ones of the epoch of Christ,
- the exact correspondence of the blood spots with the ones of the Oviedo Sudarium, an historical piece which authenticity is out of doubt.
- the anatomic precision of the figure,
- the match between the damages in the cloth and all the historical events that we know happend in its travel from the middle east,
- the exact correspondence of the face of Christ with the most early bizantine portraits of Jesus, from the V and VI centuries.
- The perfect matching with the aspect of the Mandolion, registered in many wall paintings of ancient Orthodox churches, a cloth with the face of Christ that the crusades stole from Constantinopla precisely in the XII century.
- the verification of the presence of human blood in the shroud, the same type of the one found in the Oviedo Sudarium,

all these rigurous exams does not count at all only because a so inprecise test of Carbon 14 applied in a cloth that at least two times was not only exposed to great amounts of smog but almost disappeared burned in Constantinopla and in Turin didnt give a date of the 1st century?

Almost any serious scientist knowing the conditions of this piece could predict that none test of radio carbon can match its actual age, since all those accidents or attemps to destroy it changed the natural proportion of that isotopic substance.

The relatively recent research of the nuclear Phycisist Harry E. Gove of the University of Rochester showed that there is a bioplastic material created with the bacterias living in the cloth that drastically altered all the presence of C-14.

This same thesis is supported by Leoncio A. Garza-Valdes, MD, adjunct professor of microbiology, and Stephen J. Mattingly, PhD, professor of microbiology at the University of Texas at San Antonio. Experiments done by this 2 scientists trying to date ancient Epyptian mummies with known antiquity have failed in between 800 to 1000 years, that match very well with the supposed error present in the date of the XII of the Shroud.

With the plot against the Shroud and the credibility of Davinci, also the Italian Nobility is discredited, since supposely they were the ones that incharged such production of false relics only to deceive the people through their beliefs, to get money from them.

To say that the Shroud is a trick of Photography and Painting is equivalent to say that the House of Savoy, the Royal italian family is involved in perhaps the most great deceit of the History.

The House of Savoy is not only the last dinasty of Italy but also one of the most important royal families of Spain and Portugal, the two Realms that supported the discovering of the western hemisphere, and one of the eldest of europe, with roots in the Sacre Roman Germanic Empire.

The Angel of lightness

[edit on 7/1/2008 by The angel of light]

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 06:37 PM
It really is a sign of the times. All religion is under scrutiny as they all need to be. Everyone and everything is being exposed. Everyone is being exposed for who they really are and that includes politicians. No-one is being excluded.

Along with this, is the exposure of those who are religious. What may seem to be an act of prejudice may really be an exposure of the nature and personality profiles of societies that are religious based, and some even fanatical.

If God did not want this exposure, he has the ability to stop it...or is he the one creating it? I believe so!

posted on Jul, 1 2008 @ 11:35 PM

I believe that there are a number of reasons for the continued attacks against the Catholic Church. Let me start, however, by saying that although the attacks are there; they aren't that serious and are far less severe than they have been in the past. Rampant anti-Catholicism was in vogue for the majority of the history of the U.S. and current arguments against the Church are a blip on the screen compared to what what has occurred here over the past few hundred years.

1) As Catholics and as members of the Church, we deserve a lot of the castigation that is being thrown our way. I seriously believe that. We have been way to lax and have allowed moral subjectivism creep into every facet of our lives.

2) The Catholic Church is perceived as being a cohesive whole, where other denominations are independent of any central governing body. It is easy for someone to associate any and all evil actions taken by members of the Catholic clergy with the Church itself, where as similar actions taken by clergy in other denominations are associated with that particular parish and are taken as isolated incidences.

3) As the largest Christian denomination we are the easiest target for secular members of the media who have a grudge against Christianity.

4) Some other Christians are brought up in a tradition that is steeped in anti-Catholicism that equates the Church to the whore of babylon and the Pope to the anti-christ. Their eschatology lends itself to demonizing (almost literally) the Church. There is no proportional reciprocal to this. You don't see a similar vehemence and hatred by Catholics towards, say, Protestants. This leads to Catholics siding with other Christians when Christianity is attacked but limits the response by other Christians when Catholicism is attacked.

5) Catholicism unlike some other denominations (like Unitarianism on the other end of the spectrum) takes a very hard stand on certain issues and does not believe that truth is relative. This is perceived to be unbearably arrogant and extremely simplistic by some influential members of our enlightened, secular society.

6) The members of the Church hierarchy who have been vilified for their actions or lack of action in the recent Church scandals deserve the majority of the criticism that they have received. Pointing out the foibles of the clergy of other denominations does nothing to minimize the culpability of our Clergy. This criticism is just and deserved.

I don't believe that there is a grand conspiracy. I believe that is a horrible confluence of events and negative synergy.

But maybe I'm wrong.


posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 07:27 AM

Originally posted by MatrixProphet
It really is a sign of the times. All religion is under scrutiny as they all need to be. Everyone and everything is being exposed. Everyone is being exposed for who they really are and that includes politicians. No-one is being excluded.

Along with this, is the exposure of those who are religious. What may seem to be an act of prejudice may really be an exposure of the nature and personality profiles of societies that are religious based, and some even fanatical.

If God did not want this exposure, he has the ability to stop it...or is he the one creating it? I believe so!

I agree. This is the time of High Noon. No more hiding in the shadows is allowed.

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 08:52 AM
Angel of Light,

The reason Da Vinci is crucial to Dan Brown’s plot is because the Last Supper painting is theorized to have the picture of Mary Magdalene next to Jesus. Dan Brown didn’t make this up. It’s part of various secret societies’ belief system that Jesus had a bloodline.

The Cathars, Knights Templar and Freemasons have strong connections to this Mary Magdalene, aka. Black Madonna, lineage. It’s no coincidence that it was the Catholic church that exterminated the Cathars and Knights Templar (attempted). It’s no wonder that the Catholic church is against the teachings of Freemasons. And it’s no wonder that the Knights Templar were forced to go underground and begin the Scottish Rites (Freemasonry) to preserve this lineage/belief system. There’s nothing anti-Latin-culture in this historical belief system of Jesus/Mary Magdalene. The belief system existed long before the "Latin culture" came into existence. It is not a modern belief system. It has existed since the time of Jesus.

You’re ignoring the bigger issue. There is a whole history of apocryphal/gnostic traditons on Mary Magdalene. The Catholic Church tried to censor and abolish this “heretical” viewpoint long ago. It even created the Inquisition to do so. Why? Why did the Catholic Church feel it was necessary to torture and kill off this Gnostic movement? That’s the real conspiracy. Of course the Catholic Church is going to object to the exposure of such history.

[edit on 2-7-2008 by Matrix1111]

[edit on 2-7-2008 by Matrix1111]

[edit on 2-7-2008 by Matrix1111]

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 09:39 AM
reply to post by EricD

This is really just a theological issue that is being debated and studied by modern scholars and theologians. It's a 2,000-year old debate. I wouldn't take it personally. It's really just a sign that modern scholarship and modern archeology are doing their job. (It just happens to confirm what the anti-Catholic delegation has been saying for centuries.)

You ask some interesting questions. But they ignore these bigger questions:

Did the Catholic Church compromise the original teachings of Jesus? Did the church councils manipulate doctrine and belief to suit their political purposes? What was Constantines motive for holding the Nicea Council? Why was Athanasius' viewpoint so important to Constantine, a pagan empire? Why is it significant that it was Athanasius' version of the bible that was canonized? What happened to all the Christian writings that Athanasius rejected as heretical?

And the protestant issue? What prompted Martin Luther to question the authority and legitimacy of the Catholic Church? Why did the Catholic Church continue to hold mass in latin as long as it did? How did the translation of the Latin Bible into indigenous languages alter the course of Christianity? By what authority does the Catholic Church claim that it is the true faith of Christianity?

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 09:49 AM
reply to post by The angel of light

I can certainly see your point.
And I have no wish to discuss Dan Brown or his masterpiece (which I haven't read, nor have I any intention of doing so in the future).

I will say this, however: even though Hollywood is not distinguished by the luminosity of its intellectual life, I would still assume that any would-be plotters, especially if the target is so well-established and powerful, would hire somebody whose intellectual and writing capacity is very much above average - not below average, as is the case with Dan Brown.

(Yes, you can judge a book by its cover - if the cover features a title like DA VINCI Code...
And you don't need to drink an entire barrel of wine to realise it is sour.)

[edit on 2-7-2008 by Vanitas]

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 08:59 PM
reply to post by Matrix1111
The Cathars, Knights Templar and Freemasons have strong connections to this Mary Magdalene, aka. Black Madonna, lineage. It’s no coincidence that it was the Catholic church that exterminated the Cathars and Knights Templar (attempted). It’s no wonder that the Catholic church is against the teachings of Freemasons.
There is a whole history of apocryphal/gnostic traditons on Mary Magdalene. The Catholic Church tried to censor and abolish this “heretical” viewpoint long ago. It even created the Inquisition to do so. Why? .......


The Peace of God to all that belong to the light,
Dear Matrix1111,

Well I am not pretending to be the atorney of any particular denomination but there are some points in your reply that I found not very solid:

1) If the Catholic church is so intolerant with respect to the Nosticism or other currents of the primitive Christianism, then why the books that for many protestant churches rejected as Apocryphal, in other words false, I mean the gospels fo the childhood of Jesus, including the St Thomas, Filipe, The Arabic gospel of the infance etc, to the contrary the Catholic church consider them as Deuterocanonic( books of the second Canon)???

2) Those books are the base of many important information about not only Jesus but about the family of St Mary, also about his great parents, that is among the oral traditions that exist of the life of Christ something that is not even accepted by any Protestant Church. It is very characteristic of the Protestant churches to be Bibliophils, they give cult to the Bible almost as if it would be the fourth person of the Trinity.

3) The Deuterocanonic books are for the Orthodox Churches, as well for the Armenian and Copts of Egypt and Abisinia books of the same level of credibility than the rest of the new testament.

4) Is it a casuality that many of the most fierce prosecutors of the Catholics in the History were Freemasons?

let me mention some of them:

- Maximilien Robespiere(France), the tyrant of the terror regime;
- Napoleon Bonapart(France), the autodeclared emperor of frenchpeople.
- Benito Juarez(Mexico), the autodeclared President of Mexico.
- Plutarco Elias Calles(Mexico), the founder of the PRI, the perfect Dictatorship of 71 years in Mexico.
- Francisco de Paula Santander(Columbia), The ploter that was found guilty of intellectual author of attempt of assasesination of Simon Bolivar.
- Rafael Perez Jimenez(Venezuela), the terrible Southamerican Militar Dictator.

These political Leaders, had in common not only a Dictator's profile, but also to have ordered terrible crimes against Christians like: violent expropiations, arbitrary murders of priests, sexual violations of nuns, firing of convents, menacing of Catholic civilians . So who is the prosecutor or intolerant and who is the prosecuted????

5) the foundation of the Inquisition occured as part of the counterReform motion that started as a reaction of the Protestant Reform leaded by Martin Luther. That was an epoch of mutual intolerance, even of terrible wars between Catholics and Protestants.

Both sides were equaly responsible of terrible violations of human rights, there were also Protestant Tribunals with similar characterstics of the Inquisition( dont' forget the witches hunting of Salem), it is not possible to say who was less or more guilty of that sad page of the Christianity.

6) As far as I know there is no evidence of the supposed connection between Freemasons and Cathars or Templars, that is a myth. The most that is possible to say, according with the own words of known masons, is that certain Freemason Lodges have decided to adopt the names related with those old christian communities only to homage them.

Thans for your atention and participation in this thread,

your friend,

The Angel of Lightness

[edit on 7/2/2008 by The angel of light]

posted on Jul, 2 2008 @ 09:10 PM
It was put out to help the catholic church to make people believe THE JESUS OF THE BIBLE WAS A REAL PERSON. Because when you look at the evidence it is just as likely that he never existed. either way there are several books that claim he didnt, why wouldnt the catholic church protest them. answer..... that one proves he did.....they still get their money.

posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 03:33 PM
There is no denying that anti-Catholism movements/groups have existed and still exist today. But you have to ask yourself why this is the case.

Opposition and criticism is a fact of life in a free society. In the past, the dogmatic rule of the Vatican could (and did) snuff out such opposition. Fortunately for the age of Enlightenment, Reformation and Democracy that is no longer the case. Today we are free thinkers and live in societies that tolerate diversity of thought, religion and creativity. (At least most of us on the internet.) Yearning for a time when only one religion was allowed to exist is not something most people of our modern era do.

In the market place of ideas, I just don't see world religions as we know them surviving much longer. Liberty functions and prospers on the foundation of fair exchange of commerce, ideas, technology, etc. Restricting liberty on the grounds of antiquated theological doctrines is counter-productive. The principle of synergy is what will bring us all into a truly new age of enlightenment. The practice of creating scapegoats to hide our ideological bankruptcy just ain't going make it much longer in this day and age.

Time to move on.

posted on Jul, 3 2008 @ 04:32 PM
reply to post by The angel of light

I have to disagree that attacking the Vatican can undermine the Catholic Church in Latin America.
I was surprised to find out that the Catholic Church of Mexico is not under the Vatican.
Mexico killed all the Roman priests in their country and replaced them with Mexican priests.

posted on Jul, 4 2008 @ 02:00 PM
reply to post by jmdewey60


I think is better to clarify something, in the world there different genres of Churches, some of them are visible national ones, like the Anglican, or the Armenian one, or the Mormonism, and some others are international, since they represent federation of national churches, that is the case for instance of the Orthodox Churches, Coptic churches and the Catholic ones.

By the way Catholic means in Greek Universal, for the ones of you that does not know that. So the Catholic church does not have any national identity, is an international non goverment organization around the Christian faith.

The people that you mention were assasesinated in Mexico were not foreigners, were in their ample majority also Mexican, whose only fault was to don't be supporters of the Masonic Regime of the PRI, a modern type of Totalitarism that became the last dinosaur in the west world to fall, only in 2000 almost ten years after the Communism and with 71 yeas in the power.

The modern Mexico is a democracy but is one that must fight a lot to conquer their rights, that suffer a lot of prosecution by a regime that was hated by the people of the country but remained there thanks to a very effective represive machinery.

Plutarco Elias Calles was a Dictator that ruled the country for six years, founded the PRI, and continue ruling behind a series of puppet Presidents until finally another very fierce of his excolaborators decided to fire him and send him to an exile in California, that was Lazaro Cardenas, General of the Revolution.

As part of the rethoric of PRI they always tried to show the oppositionists like not trully Mexican, in the same way that Juarez did a century before when he took the power without being elected to be President and started a civil war against the Catholic church among other sectors of the society, the Reforma war.

That civil war was the one that crashed the finances of Mexico & created the iliquidity of the State that finally caused the French intervention and the disparate action taken by the Conservator party to elect through a referendum Maximiliam of Habsburgo Emperor of the country ,to ends that period of lack of sovereignity.

The propaganda of Juarez and the PRI always has shown that internal conflict as the confrontation of a trully pure Mexican Leader against an European invasor, the situation was many times more complex, since in the side that opposed to Juarez fought many native Mexicans as for instance the General Tomás Mejía, of pure indigineous stock, and Gral Miguel Miramon, the youngest President that Mexico had ever had, they both died with Maximiliam Assesinated in Queretaro.

Juarez was during the PRI regime an figure that had literaly cult, the same cult of the personality that Stalin, Lenin, Mussolini, Peron or Mao Tse tung had in other epochs and countries. His portrait was Mandatory present in each public school with the supposed reason that he was the Heroe against the French intervention, Honor that was actually of Porfirio Diaz.

It is so ironic that this Autodeclared President, Mason of the 33 degree, published as great Patriot, was also the one that signed with United States the so called protocols of Bucarelli, an agreement in which he gave free transit of all American companies even to the militars throught the States of Chihuahua and Sonora to the Cortez sea, and through the Tehuantepec Isthmus, and if that was nothing also a comprimise that Mexico didnt develop its own industries for a Century & consume all the American products!!!!

The Bucarelli protocol was declared by Gral Porfirio Diaz, a genuine National heroe in the war against France, as one of the most antipatriotic of the History, he didn't obey its terms as a President, that was one of the causes of the Mexican Revolution, that received alot of support of the American freemasonic circles, & finished with another military American Invasion to Mexico.

Let me finish this reply saying that Maximiliam was not the only Emperor of Mexico in modern times, also was Agustin de Iturbide the heroe that gave the independence of the country, although he was born Spanish, and the terrible Gral Antonio Lopez de Santana, the same that sold half of the country to the United States, he was known with the titles of nonresignable Emperor and Serenity Highness and ruled the country 11 different terms.

Mexico is a country that suffered a lot under totalitarian regimes and Dictatorships in its History, that is a sad reality, but many were promoted or supported from abroad.

However, Maximiliam, the only elected Monarch of the modern History, before JuanCarlos I of Spain, is better remembered in Mexico to have decreted three basic democratic important laws :

- Fist time that there was Public Mandatory education free of charge, supported by the State.
- The First law of the Nation to protect the Indians and their lands,
- The liberty to the servants of the Ranchs, that were slaves for centuries..

So it is curious but sometimes the History is precisely the thing that the writer wants to show, not necessarly the truth, that is the case of many pages of the Latin-American reality. It is also interesting to verify that many of the most important democracies of the modern world are also constitutional Monarchies like Spain, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Nederlands, Belgique, etc.

There were actual Catholics so patriotics in Mexico as the priests Miguel Hidalgo, Jose Maria Morelos y Pavon, and Servando Teresa de Mier, martyrs of the Independence war, since they started the rebelion against Spain. Hidalgo used as the first flag of the country the so famous icon of Mary of Guadalupe Virgin, the most important simbol of the Mexican National Identity.

Pls check the following links: images%3Fq%3DGuadalupe%2Bvirgin%26start%3D100%26ndsp%3D20%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN

Thanks for your participation in the Thread,

your friend,

The Angel of Lightness

[edit on 7/4/2008 by The angel of light]

posted on Jul, 5 2008 @ 12:41 PM
reply to post by The angel of light

I am not an expert on Mexican history.
I just remember a lecture I attended years ago, of a doctor who did study this stuff.
My point is that there are bigger forces at work in the churches.
Adding in a fictional movie is not going to overthrow the church.
Like you said, there are secret organizations doing that.
The movie could be a good thing, if it points out the fact that secret societies actually exist.

posted on Jul, 7 2008 @ 02:54 PM
reply to post by jmdewey60

Well Jmdewey60, I think there are many things involved in this type of literature that are not transparent at all, I dont see clearly that an author can create fiction witout ethical limits, specially when relevant figures of the history of the Science & Civilizations are touched with those experiments of literature.

In my personal opinion there must exist a limit even for the fiction in aspects that can damage the credibility and good image of personages that are fundamental in the life of entire civilizations and that is the case of Leonardo Davinci in this book.

It is quite irresponsible to associate a genious of the world, one of the more universal minds that ever exist to a clear fraud, even a crime around the falsification of an object like the one suggested happend with the Shroud.

It is not fair to take advantage of the fact that Leonardo Da Vinci cannot respond such attacks for obvious reasons, so there must be a Law that protect the prestige of personages like him of certain type of intellectual predators like Dan Brown and the people tha decide to follow them, like Ron Howard, only to get money at any cost, even at the one to discredit a great dead man.

But of course in the culture of the discrimation against the latin culture, created by the sad stereotypes produced by Hollywood around the latin people, since the time of the GodFather Movie, I am pretty sure this would not be the last Production in this line.

Thanks for your participation in the thread,

Your friend,

The Angel of lightness

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