Originally posted by Perplexed
Yes, and the sad thing is those people are Persians over there... They aren't even Arabs.

I would also bet my next paycheck most of the people over there are just like us here in the US. They just want to raise their families. I suspect that its that way the world over including the Arabs and its the very few that screw all of us... We are all scared into thinking they are the boogey man.. They being us and them... It really pisses me off...

That is very true. A former employee of mine is a Persian whose family escaped Iran when the islamists took over. Teheran is a large city, just like any other large city in the world. People wear normal clothes, aside from women having to wear veils while outdoors since the islamists came to power. Women work just as well as men. They speak Persian, not Arabic and the two languages are quite unlike each other. Teheran is in most regards very similar to any major western city. If religion would be a factor (I don't think it should be, but it is apparently important to many people), most of the people aren't even muslims, and fact is that the origins of Christianity came to be in Iran and Syria. There are still lots of Christians in Iran.

I really hate those people who can attack somebody without leaving their office.

Bush isn't attacking Iran so he can stay in office. This is just about legacy or payoffs. Either Bush is doing this now because he knows Obama wont. Or this is just more payoffs from the arms industry into Bush pockets.

Originally posted by Anonymous ATS
If we see 3 battle groups in the gulf then things are about to get hot.

I highly doubt you will see three carrier battle groups in the Persian Gulf as this represents half of the deployed carrier task forces and would create a situation of 'too many eggs in one basket'. The more likely scenario would be to locate two groups in or near the Arabian Sea within striking distance of Iran and the Straits of Hormuz and an additonal battle group in the Mediteranean to conduct further sorties and be on standby incase Iran's ally, Syria, enters any conflict.

Their Military is well trained and motivated, unlike the armies faced by allied forces in the 2 Gulf Wars.

I think this is a rather poor analogy as the Republican Guard was considered properly motivated and equally feared. The ability for ground forces to stay motivated against an opponent that has air supremacy is not a position I would wish to argue.

Their anti aircraft systems are much more advanced than Iraq's, granted they will have problems combating stealth and cruise attacks but the US does not have an entire airforce of stealth bombers

You do not need an entire fleet of stealth aircraft to disable an enemies anti-aircraft defences. The current fleet is adequate in its scope and with the addition of ship-fired cruise missiles is execptionally capable.

Also there is the matter of the Sunburn anti ship missile. Being mobile they will be difficult to track down, remember the trouble we had with the Scuds? And if one of these missiles, just one, gets through...

The problem that the 5th fleet may face from this possible threat is the close quarters situation of the Straits of Hormuz. Reaction time for our anti missile defenses are severly limited by the narrowness of the straits. As I previously mentioned the carrier battle groups will most likely be located in the Arabian Sea. In this theater the response time jumps up to 25 to 30 seconds, more than enough time counter an incoming attack from Iranian coastal batteries. Additionally, at this distance there is good reason to believe that our multiple layered missle defenses can defeat the Sunburn in an event where several are deployed at once.

[edit on 1-7-2008 by AugustusMasonicus]

Originally posted by dgtempe
Just how does a president of the United States attack a nation just before leaving office?

How is that done leaving the turmoil for the NEXT president?

why by false flag or by proxy. take your pick.

This is not good another grab for the remaining oil in the Mid-east yeah,this Adminstration is gonna make one last effort to bring the golbalist/neo-con ideal into reality.

I have been saying this since the last election, one of two things would happen before the elections...

1. Attack on Iran.
2. Attack on America bigger than 911 and blame Iran.

If it saves an American city and millions of lives to only attack Iran, and not pull off another OKC, 911, 7-7 or 93 WTC attack on private peoples as an excuse to attack Iran, Then I hope for #1 myself.

Although I don't understand why some of you who badmouth the MSM constantly want to use the fact that this story was on CNN as a reason to believe it, I do think it's a possibility.

Likely? No. But a possibility. The Iran situation is gonna come to a head one way or another eventually, and when it does I feel a lot of innocent people are going to die, again.

Oh yes, the person who posted this believes in "MARSHALL LAW".

Yes indeed, the ignorant continue to rant on about this and that, but they literally can not understand what they hear and read. They "understand", with their 3rd grade reading skills, that there is some kind of a vast conspiracy out there, that prevents them from becoming millionaires; that keeps them down; and is bringing our country to ruin.

Sorry folks, but CNN does not give a damn about the USA, in fact it would love to turn this country into a Socialist paradise.

They would also love to see thousands of American GI's killed by the enemies of this country. They would trumpet that all over the world.

I have heard a draft may exist if so then I will be one of them getting picked since I recently signed up for the list since it's a requirement when going to college well when you turn 18 by law you have to enlist, and in order for me to go to college I needed fed aid and it was a requirement.

I have heard that we will be doing mostly air strikes on Iran.

However I also heard later on once Iran get troops in Iraq or close to the boarder we will then start attacking in Iran by foot well the border.

also I thought it was funny that on fox news they said that Iraq is better than ever and said that we done a good job there, they are trying to set americans up so they can make it seem like Iran is invading Iraq so we can legally attack Iran.

I also talked to a guy that Is in Iran he was on yahoo answers and asked if their is going to be a war with Iran he is frightened and wanted to know so if it is going to happen so they can move to another country this was a while back like 2 months ago.
I told him yes it's going to happen. I then told him things can change from now to a month from now so I gave him this website ATS and told him read the web page on make your own judgment..


The more I see about the U.S the more it makes me upset.

I really think going into Iraq was illegal.

here is what bush first said about Iraq that we are going in their because of weapons of
mass destruction which we didn't find any he slowly then said we are their to help the Iraqies, they showed us dropping food to them for aid.
Then bush said we are their because of suddam he killed many innocent and he is a dictator and he needs to step down. This infringes one of our constitution which say's that we can't go into another country just because we don't like how they govern their country which is the reason bush said that is why we killed suddam.

I talked to Iraqis and they told me suddam killed many people even his own son-in-law the reason he knew his sun-in-law was working for the U.S as a spy, the reason he knew was that he would talk about latest top secret stuff and notice the U.S finding out instantly. He tested this by talking misleading information and that misleading information was given to the U.S which they thought was legit so then he went after his son-in-law and also some other guys that he found out were working for the U.S as spies however they knew what viliage those guys were at but didn't know which building so they took out the villege, i think with teargas or somthing not fully sure on that.
This is what the people here which had family over in Iraq and had some members in high rankings. in the Iraqi military.

Well I just hope the Gas prices don't rise because of this Iran warfare.


[edit on 2-7-2008 by computerwiz32]

ok, so yesterday was my first day in Israel, I am now officially 7 hours ahead of you east coasters, 9 ahead of the west coast, and I had a chance to talk briefly with my pops on the Iran situation.

He thinks that we will definitely be attacking Iran before Bush gets out.
By we, i mean Israel.
He said that the US, Europe, and possibly France has given them the go ahead.
Israel will wait however, until they have as much backing as possible to show that they have a lot of force behind them if Iran, or anyone else, decides to attack back.
and like some of you have mentioned, the US is sending battle ships to the coast as we speak.

He also mentioned that they, Israel, knows that if McCain becomes president he will support the war, and that they were worried about Obama, but now apparently he also stated that he would back Israel in the fight.

I mentioned that Iran is, as we speak, preparing 320,000 graves for enemy soldiers, and he thought that was silly since it will be all air strikes.

so, thats the thoughts of an average Israeli citizen.
like all Israelis, my dad served in the Israeli army back in the day and stayed on for a few extra years to become an officer.
He then joined some type of secret service and retired a while back.

I can't understand anything the news is saying, but my cousin from cali just moved out here after graduating from columbia university to continue his studies and I get to hang out with him today.
I'll mention the situation to him and ask him what the news over here has been saying as he keeps up with all that stuff.

Oh, and i would also like to add that my dad was surprised when I told him that not a lot of americans know about this upcoming potential for war as apparently it is common knowledge here, and has been for quite some time.